Wimbledon - The Championships - 2014 - General Discussion Thread

Which player wins the £ 1,760,000 + 2000 points in 2014?


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Love Game

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Name: Wimbledon
Category: Grand Slam
Place: Wimbledon, Great Britain
Date: June 23 to July 6, 2014
Draw Size: Singles-128 ... Doubles-64
Surface: Grass
Gentlemen's Winner takes 2000 points and £ 1,760,000
Ladies' Winner takes 2000 points and £ 1,760,000


MAIN DRAW - GENTLEMEN

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thanks, DTL ... qualies s/b fun :)

* Here are the seeded qualifiers *

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* Wildcards to date are *

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thanks, DTL ... qualies s/b fun :)

* Here are the seeded qualifiers *

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* Wildcards to date are *

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Nicely done! I don't know about everyone else, but I like when details like this are included. Sometimes people forget that the tournament doesn't start on Day 1 of the main draw.

Plus, especially living in a non-traditional tennis nation, the qualifying rounds are where I can follow most of my country's players.
 
This thread is already SO much better than that other one like a week or two ago. Really looking forward to this, can't wait! :)
 
Hi, Friend! :D

Hope I can get direct tv before "the championships" begin ... otherwise, i'll be stuck watching the american match choice of the moment! :(
Get it! You definitely won't regret it. I switch to direct TV 2 years ago and have loved it. Almost all ATP and WTA matches are shown, many live. I hated being only to watch a few matches after Optimum dropped tennis channel.
 
Nicely done! I don't know about everyone else, but I like when details like this are included. Sometimes people forget that the tournament doesn't start on Day 1 of the main draw.

Plus, especially living in a non-traditional tennis nation, the qualifying rounds are where I can follow most of my country's players.

This thread is already SO much better than that other one like a week or two ago. Really looking forward to this, can't wait! :)

woot! ... youre so welcome ... my fave time of year ... here's a little more (tentative)! :D

SEEDS - GENTLEMAN

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SEEDS - LADIES

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I definitely do! :) ... so give me a clue :D ... they are just tentative atm

Tommy Haas hurt himself at Halle and pulled out, and there was talk that his Wimbledon participation would be in doubt. :(

But that article was in German, so I'm not sure what else it said, LOLsigh - and I don't have an update.
 
These are probably the top seeds at Wimbledon:

1. Novak Djokovic
2. Rafael Nadal
3. Andy Murray
4. Roger Federer
 
Tommy Haas hurt himself at Halle and pulled out, and there was talk that his Wimbledon participation would be in doubt. :(

But that article was in German, so I'm not sure what else it said, LOLsigh - and I don't have an update.

thx, ruerooo :)
even tho tommy kinda lost me when he screamed at his GF during one match I saw before they got married, he's been a bright star in years past and will be missed this year ... grass being slick and all, he's gotta take care not to aggravate injuries ... remember poor raonic a couple years ago? scary ... not worth tempting fate like that imo ...
 
These are probably the top seeds at Wimbledon:

1. Novak Djokovic
2. Rafael Nadal
3. Andy Murray
4. Roger Federer

Wimbledon is changing the seedings based on the allocated points set by them.

u gotta a good point about wimbledon doing the seeding uniquely ... as of now, these are the top ten leaders of The Race ... how's andy gonna make it all the way up to #3 from #9?

1 Rafael Nadal ESP 6470
2 Novak Djokovic SRB 5250
3 Stan Wawrinka SUI 3735
4 Roger Federer SUI 3360
5 Tomas Berdych CZE 2960
6 David Ferrer ESP 2340
7 Kei Nishikori JPN 2225
8 Ernests Gulbis LAT 2220
9 Andy Murray GBR 2075
10 Grigor Dimitrov BUL 2065

http://live-tennis.eu/race
 
thx, ruerooo :)
even tho tommy kinda lost me when he screamed at his GF during one match I saw before they got married, he's been a bright star in years past and will be missed this year ...

I didn't hear about that. Icky.

I still have ambivalence about Verdasco calling the fans monkeys that time in Nice. :-?

grass being slick and all, he's gotta take care not to aggravate injuries ... remember poor raonic a couple years ago? scary ... not worth tempting fate like that imo ...

I totally remember that. Hip surgery. :shock:

I remember thinking that the only good thing about that was that he was young enough that he'd heal fully.
 
u gotta a good point about wimbledon doing the seeding uniquely ... as of now, these are the top ten leaders of The Race ... how's andy gonna make it all the way up to #3 from #9?

Wimbledon seedings aren't based on the Race, they are based on current ranking with previous 12 month performance on grass factored in!
 
By the way Love Game ATP seeding is based on the general ATP rankings not on the ATP race rankings.

Wimbledon, like all other slams, is not an ATP regulated tournament.
 
Get it! You definitely won't regret it. I switch to direct TV 2 years ago and have loved it. Almost all ATP and WTA matches are shown, many live. I hated being only to watch a few matches after Optimum dropped tennis channel.

excellent review! :D
my current cable provider is now warning us that we'll have no choice but to go digital soon, but I'm thinkin I might prefer going satellite, especially now hearing that you've had such good service :)
 
Wimbledon seedings aren't based on the Race, they are based on current ranking with previous 12 month performance on grass factored in!

By the way Love Game ATP seeding is based on the general ATP rankings not on the ATP race rankings.

Wimbledon, like all other slams, is not an ATP regulated tournament.

ah now i think i knew what you meant, newpball, when you said to "take another look" at the seedings ... right? cuz wimby is unique? yes. that first seeds list I posted is almost the same as the current top 20 ... but I did say it was temporary! ;)

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p.s. wow that Delpo is still No. 8 :shock:
 
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Surely Roger has this. With Nadal unable to compete on grass, Murray looking very shaky and Federer showing brilliant tennis this year against Djokovic, he could well get #8.
 
So Roger will have to beat Nadal to get to the final. Or RAFA will just lose before he even gets to the semis at current form. I don't like Roger's chances at current form playing he did today
 
Finally saw most of the Halle final. I am not optimistic of Roger's chances at Wimbledon and didn't like how hard he seemed to have to work and smack the ball to generate pace.

He could yet improve, but as of now there's a lot left to desire...

Hopefully he makes it through the first few rounds without much hiccup and traverses an upward curve.
 
Finally saw most of the Halle final. I am not optimistic of Roger's chances at Wimbledon and didn't like how hard he seemed to have to work and smack the ball to generate pace.

He could yet improve, but as of now there's a lot left to desire...

Hopefully he makes it through the first few rounds without much hiccup and traverses an upward curve.

What was the average groundstroke speed for the match? Some rallies were so slow that for a moment I thought it was a pre-match practice. :shock::twisted:

All those who don't have a lot of speed on groundstroke and hit deep in rallies are bad match-up for Federer. He doesn't get the rhythm to hit those blazing FHs (reluctance in generating his own pace). That's why Simon and Falla have troubled him in past.
 
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The rallies didn't look slow, they were smacking the ball and were in the form to reach the final of one of the two premier grass tournaments before Wimbledon, but I didn't like how physical Federer looked in achieving his results.
 
When Falla was troubling Federer at Wimbledon in 2010, he was pummelling the daylights out of the ball and with great consistency and rhythm.
 
excellent review! :D
my current cable provider is now warning us that we'll have no choice but to go digital soon, but I'm thinkin I might prefer going satellite, especially now hearing that you've had such good service :)

man, the girl in your avatar is hot
 
With that pushing BH? I need to re-watch that match.

He doesn't have a devastating backhand but he played positively and with attacking intent for long durations and took his chances. He hits the ball hard with great regularity on his forehand side. The match certainly looked intense, ergo, not like a practice session -- facetious or not it was just rather silly. The pace of it was probably quicker overall than the Wawrinka/Dimitrov Queens match, for example.
 
He doesn't have a devastating backhand but he played positively and with attacking intent for long durations and took his chances. He hits the ball hard with great regularity on his forehand side. The match certainly looked intense, ergo, not like a practice session -- facetious or not it was just rather silly. The pace of it was probably quicker overall than the Wawrinka/Dimitrov Queens match, for example.

I've seen him play live. He's pretty exciting. TT tends to underrate the skills of ... a fair number of players.
 

Loving it. This guy is filled with passion and guts but (at least to me) doesn't come across as cocky at all, and is extremely sincere. His game is exciting and he makes some absolutely killer shots. Not sure how his movement is going to fair on the grass and that's a part of his game that needs some major development but I'll be hoping he can make a little run.

KIA Open Drive with Nick Kyrgios:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSqi12WnYTU
 
Nice thread Love Game, love the layout!

I think the seeds are also correct, with the only exception of Haas possibly withrawing.
 
Im sure Murray will be seeded in the top 4- Wimbledon have traditionally rewarded those with a Grass Court pedigree with a higher seeding than their actual ranking. They've done with this the men far more than the women, but I do vaguely recall Venus Williams having her seeding considerably inflated from her actual world ranking a few years back.
 
Im sure Murray will be seeded in the top 4- Wimbledon have traditionally rewarded those with a Grass Court pedigree with a higher seeding than their actual ranking. They've done with this the men far more than the women, but I do vaguely recall Venus Williams having her seeding considerably inflated from her actual world ranking a few years back.

The seeding for the top 8 is set.
 
From sportskeeda.com
Wimbledon seedings system explained: Novak Djokovic poised to be seeded 1st, Andy Murray 3rd

RohTennis Analyst (Featured Writer) Jun 16 20141201Centre Court at WimbledonWimbledon starts in less than a week, and the build-up to the third Grand Slam of the year has largely centred around the likely player seedings for the tournament.It’s a well-known fact that Wimbledon is the only tournament in the world which adopts a unique method to determine the seeds. And it’s not an arbitrary method either; a proper mathematical formula is used for the process.At first glance, the seedings system for Wimbledon does look complicated. Try as one might, one never really gets it right when it comes to making predictions as far as the Wimbledon seedings go. These predictions resemble hit-and-miss swings, with more misses than hits.Year after year, there is always some conflict about seedings of players that ends up raising observers’ eyebrows to the tip of their hairline. Last year it was Rafael Nadal’s seeding – he was seeded fifth for Wimbledon – that thoroughly bemused and annoyed his fans. The point of contention was that he was seeded so low despite the fact that he had made a powerful comeback into the top ranks after having been out of action for seven months.Rafa’s fans may have perceived his lower seed as a grave injustice to the Spaniard, specially given that he had reached five consecutive finals at SW19 in the past. But if you carefully analyze the way the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club (AELTC) lays out its formula for calculation of seedings for the Championships at Wimbledon, you’ll realize that the Spaniard’s seeding was completely justified.So let’s put this to rest once and for all – how exactly does the AELTC calculate the seedings?

Seeding calculation formula

The All England Club doesn’t just consider the accumulated ATP points of players for determining the seeds at Wimbledon, but employs the following system to break down the rankings and revise them further:Total ATP points accumulated by a player till 16th of June (i.e., the Monday before the start of the tournament) + Total grasscourt points accumulated by a player in the preceding year + 75% of grasscourt points in the grasscourt event where a player has achieved his best result in 2012 (i.e., the year before the previous one).Based on this bifurcation, one can easily come up with summations of breakdown of ranking points of players as would be evaluated by the All England Club’s Seeding Committee.

The likely seedings for the 2014 Wimbledon Championships

As per the above formula, the top five seeds at this year’s Wimbledon could be in the following order:Novak Djokovic: 12,330 ATP ranking points + 1,200 points from last year’s Wimbledon final + 540 points from his 2012 Wimbledon semifinal appearance, which would give him a total of 14,070 points. The Serb will thus find himself ahead of his Spanish rival as the top seed at Wimbledon, even though he is currently placed lower in the ATP rankings.Rafael Nadal: 12,500 ATP ranking points + 10 points from last year’s Wimbledon, which was the only grasscourt event he played that year + 34 points from his 2012 grasscourt season (he had 45 points each accumulated at Halle, where he made the quarter-finals, and Wimbledon, where he lost in the second round; based on the 75% aggregation, he would receive 34 points from his best grasscourt result, which would be either of Halle or Wimbledon). This would net Nadal a total of 12,614 points, thus placing him as the second seed.Andy Murray: The defending champion stands to be seeded third as per this calculation with a total of 7,830 points. He currently stands fifth in the rankings with 4,680 points, to which will be added his 2,250 points for his wins at Queen’s and Wimbledon last year and 900 points for his runner-up finish at Wimbledon in 2012Roger Federer: The ‘King of Grass’ should be the fourth seed with 6,740 points in total. He currently has 4,945 ATP ranking points, to which will be added 250 points from his win at Halle last year and 45 points for his second round finish at Wimbledon, in addition to 1,500 points added over from his 2012 Wimbledon victory.Stanislas Wawrinka: The reigning Australian Open champion, who is presently seeded third in the ATP rankings, can be expected to be seeded fifth with his total coming to 5,693 points. His points breakdown would be 5,525 for his current ATP ranking points + 150 points for his runner-up finish at s-Hertogenbosch and 10 points for his first round appearance at Wimbledon last year, and another eight points for his first round appearance at the Championships in 2012.It can be seen, therefore, that this year’s top 5 seeds at Wimbledon will look very different from the top 5 ATP rankings.

Discrepancies in the seedings system:

Despite these obvious clarities in the men’s section, there is still plenty of confusion when it comes to women’s seedings. The women are seeded as per the WTA rankings unless the seeding committee of the club specifically intervenes if they believe that there is some imbalance in the order based on the players’ current or past grasscourt success. As you can imagine, that leaves plenty of room for doubt and controversy.

Conclusion

While the men’s seeding system tries to bring all players on an equal footing, the women get disadvantaged, especially those players whose performances at Wimbledon – and grass predominantly – have been quite consistent. Conversely, it can also be argued that the women who are placed high in the WTA rankings but haven’t enjoyed much success on grass in the past stand the risk of getting short-changed if the seeding committee arbitrarily decides to make changes.The seeding system of the AELTC can therefore be termed far more transparent for the men as compared to the women. At a point where the sport is making distinct inroads towards ensuring utmost commonality and parity for both its male and female contenders, this ambiguous factor of the All England Club needs to be re-evaluated in the better interests of the sport.
 
Courtesy of Vibhuism

(i) Djokovic : current points - 12330 + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula ::: 1740 = 14,070 points for Wimby seeding

(ii) Rafa Nadal: currently @ 12500 + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula ::: 43 = 12,543 points for Wimby seedings

(iii) Andy Murray currently @ 4680 + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula :::: 3150 = 7830 points for Wimby seedings

(iv) Roger Federer currently @ 4845 points + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula: 1765 points = 6610 points for Wimby seedings. (if he wins Halle, he will be on 6760 points).

(v) Stan Wawrinka : currently @ 5525 points+ addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula : 167 points = 5692 points (if he wins Queens, he will be on 5852 points).

(vi) Tomas Berdych: currently @ 4680 points + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula 483 points = 5163 points.

(vii) DAVID Ferrer currently @ 4190 points + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula 630 points = 4820 points.

(viii) Milos Raonic currently @ 3245 points + addition as per Wimbledon seeding formula 65 pts = 3300 points. Thus, Raonic will become the 1st ever guy born in 1990's to have a Top-8 seeding at Wimbledon.
 
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I might be wrong, but I think Evert & Navratilova were joint no.1 seeds in 1985. Evert, the current world ranked no.1 and Navratilova no.2 and defending champion.
 
Surely Roger has this. With Nadal unable to compete on grass, Murray looking very shaky and Federer showing brilliant tennis this year against Djokovic, he could well get #8.

Last year the WO brochure had a big spread on Federer and his titles. I guess they will go easy on that this year, maybe lots of Murray content.

Anyway it is nice looking back.
 
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