Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
Anyone know when the women's qualifying begins, or even when the draw is out? Odd that the men's draw was already released and has already started and the women's draw isn't even anywhere to be found.
Wimbledon - The Championships - 2014 - General Discussion Thread
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TheStranger
Semi-Pro
They should seed their tournament based off ATP ranking. What's with all this special needs on grass; there isn't much of a grass season so it's really pointless. Maybe RG should seed based off clay performance, US/AO off hardcourt performance... psh. 
Team10
Hall of Fame
They should seed their tournament based off ATP ranking. What's with all this special needs on grass; there isn't much of a grass season so it's really pointless. Maybe RG should seed based off clay performance, US/AO off hardcourt performance... psh.
That's the whole point. There isn't much of a grass season so they factor in how the players do on grass. Most of the tour is clay and hard courts so the rankings at the moment pretty much reflect that, unlike with grass.
F
FedererWinsWimbledon2014
Guest
http://t.co/Z4TBHptfia Ferrer might be out.
As a Federer fans this is bad news. There are not too many byes for Roger these days but Ferrer is definitely one.
As a Federer fans this is bad news. There are not too many byes for Roger these days but Ferrer is definitely one.
Enigma
Semi-Pro
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2014/06/25/Wimbledon-Qualifying-Monday-Darcis.aspx
Darcie wins his first tour level match since Wimbledon 2013!
Darcie wins his first tour level match since Wimbledon 2013!
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Reminds me of Manchester United's FA Cup draw. Always have to play Premier League clubs away from home.
edberg volleys
Hall of Fame
Seedings:
http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Monda...c-Be-Seeded-No-1-at.aspx#sthash.4jbSaX8a.dpuf
Great, Fed is #4.
http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Monda...c-Be-Seeded-No-1-at.aspx#sthash.4jbSaX8a.dpuf
Great, Fed is #4.
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Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
I say Fede has no chance if he plays Swarovski :twisted::twisted:
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I gave up optimum after they dropped tennis channel. I hope everyone does the same, so they're forced to get it back!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
What campus is that? lucky you 
Are you sure it wasn't that bus driver that looks exactly like Nadal? Why the hell would he go back down to Spain from Germany,and then back to London?
newpball
Legend
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Considering that he was with his father Sebastian and a small crowd, yes, yes I'm pretty sure.
For a big endorsement deal.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Seeds announced
SEEDS ANNOUNCED FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS 2014
Wednesday 18 June 2014
The seeds have been announced for The Championships 2014.
Gentlemen’s Seeding Formula
Revised seeding arrangements for men introduced in 2001 when seedings committee disbanded. Formula amended in 2002 for men as follows:
Take ESP points at 16 June 2014
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournament in past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in 12 months before that.
Ladies’ Seeding Formula
Per the numerical WTA rankings.
Gentlemen’s Singles
DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB) [1]
NADAL, Rafael (ESP) [2]
MURRAY, Andy (GBR) [3]
FEDERER, Roger (SUI) [4]
WAWRINKA, Stan (SUI) [5]
BERDYCH, Tomas (CZE) [6]
FERRER, David (ESP) [7]
RAONIC, Milos (CAN) [8]
ISNER, John (USA) [9]
NISHIKORI, Kei (JPN) [10]
DIMITROV, Grigor (BUL) [11]
GULBIS, Ernests (LAT) [12]
GASQUET, Richard (FRA) [13]
TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) [14]
JANOWICZ, Jerzy (POL) [15]
FOGNINI, Fabio (ITA) [16]
YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS) [17]
VERDASCO, Fernando (ESP) [18]
LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP) [19]
ANDERSON, Kevin (RSA) [20]
DOLGOPOLOV, Alexandr (UKR) [21]
KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp (GER) [22]
ROBREDO, Tommy (ESP) [23]
MONFILS, Gael (FRA) [24]
ALMAGRO, Nicolas (ESP) [25]
SEPPI, Andreas (ITA) [26]
CILIC, Marin (CRO) [27]
BAUTISTA AGUT, Roberto (ESP) [28]
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo (ESP) [29]
KARLOVIC, Ivo (CRO) [30]
GRANOLLERS, Marcel (ESP) [31]
TURSUNOV, Dmitry (RUS) [32]
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Wimbledon.aspx
SEEDS ANNOUNCED FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS 2014
Wednesday 18 June 2014
The seeds have been announced for The Championships 2014.
Gentlemen’s Seeding Formula
Revised seeding arrangements for men introduced in 2001 when seedings committee disbanded. Formula amended in 2002 for men as follows:
Take ESP points at 16 June 2014
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournament in past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in 12 months before that.
Ladies’ Seeding Formula
Per the numerical WTA rankings.
Gentlemen’s Singles
DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB) [1]
NADAL, Rafael (ESP) [2]
MURRAY, Andy (GBR) [3]
FEDERER, Roger (SUI) [4]
WAWRINKA, Stan (SUI) [5]
BERDYCH, Tomas (CZE) [6]
FERRER, David (ESP) [7]
RAONIC, Milos (CAN) [8]
ISNER, John (USA) [9]
NISHIKORI, Kei (JPN) [10]
DIMITROV, Grigor (BUL) [11]
GULBIS, Ernests (LAT) [12]
GASQUET, Richard (FRA) [13]
TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) [14]
JANOWICZ, Jerzy (POL) [15]
FOGNINI, Fabio (ITA) [16]
YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS) [17]
VERDASCO, Fernando (ESP) [18]
LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP) [19]
ANDERSON, Kevin (RSA) [20]
DOLGOPOLOV, Alexandr (UKR) [21]
KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp (GER) [22]
ROBREDO, Tommy (ESP) [23]
MONFILS, Gael (FRA) [24]
ALMAGRO, Nicolas (ESP) [25]
SEPPI, Andreas (ITA) [26]
CILIC, Marin (CRO) [27]
BAUTISTA AGUT, Roberto (ESP) [28]
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo (ESP) [29]
KARLOVIC, Ivo (CRO) [30]
GRANOLLERS, Marcel (ESP) [31]
TURSUNOV, Dmitry (RUS) [32]
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Wimbledon.aspx
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clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Raonic 8th on grass just seems crazy to me. Am I the only one?
The_Flying_Vulture
Rookie
He certainly isn't the 8th best player on grass in my opinion. He seems to be lucky players close behind him in the ranking also did not perform good on grass the last 2 years.
SAFINATORZ
Hall of Fame
Surprised to see Tsonga seeded below dimitrov and guilbis. Tsonga's reached the semis of wimbledon twice. The other two have yet to make a dent at wimbledon.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
It's a fair reflection of his self-destruction in terms of ranking points.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Double post, sorry.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Wimbledon should stop using it's seeding formula and go along with the rankings as they do with the WTA. I remember Guga boycotted Wimbledon in 2001 because he was not seeded 1 as #1 in the world.
The seeding impacts on chances of more points and more prize money and it seems wrong to me because only Wimbledon does that. Rafa was 7 times Champion at RG last year and was seeded 4 at the FO. Andy, just a one time Wimbledon Champion and World 5 has leapfrogged Federer, a 7 times Wimbledon Champion. What's that about?
It's just as well Federer is seeded in the top 4 otherwise he would have been rightfully peed off.
The seeding impacts on chances of more points and more prize money and it seems wrong to me because only Wimbledon does that. Rafa was 7 times Champion at RG last year and was seeded 4 at the FO. Andy, just a one time Wimbledon Champion and World 5 has leapfrogged Federer, a 7 times Wimbledon Champion. What's that about?
It's just as well Federer is seeded in the top 4 otherwise he would have been rightfully peed off.
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Peters
Professional
At least it's unconditional. Federer and Nadal would have been bumped in the exact same circumstances, using the same formula.
I actually quite like it. The rankings aren't always black & white when it comes to determining seeds. A lot of sports have a seeding system based on formulas, as opposed to just copying rankings.
I actually quite like it. The rankings aren't always black & white when it comes to determining seeds. A lot of sports have a seeding system based on formulas, as opposed to just copying rankings.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
In which case they should use it all the time not just for one tournament.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Phone jack to Rafa Nadal
The agreement will last for six years
S. MILLÁN MADRID 06/17/2014 18:09
César Alierta and Rafa Nadal in the agreement.
The Mallorcan tennis player Rafa Nadal, world number one according to the ATP rankings and recently won its ninth Roland Garros, will be the new ambassador of Telefónica worldwide by 2020, as announced in a press operator.
Nadal, considered the best Spanish athlete of all time, is linked to Telefónica for the next six years, during which he will represent both the institutional brand as business (Movistar, O2 and Vivo) in Spain, UK, Germany and Latin American countries where the company operates.
The operator explained that the international star, 28, has transcended the sports world and has millions of fans around the world through the values it represents: the strength, the will to succeed, humility and talent.
As ambassador, Rafa Nadal accompany Telefónica roll with customers, employees or institutions in these countries, given her image to some communication Telefónica campaigns and develop together with brands applications, games and content for broadband-related sports and technology.
Telefónica has also stressed that Nadal will bring significant value to what has been the great challenge of Movistar in Spain’s strategy for this year and next, Movistar TV. “The TV platform Telefónica accompany Rafa in major tournaments and will dispute the tennis for the production of sports programs, and creating videos and other digital content that can be viewed in any medium, television, computer, tablet or smartphone, “said the company.
Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
I don't mind the seedings that much at all. Only a few stick out, such as Janowicz who seems a bit too high considering how much he has fallen, regardless of the fact he made the semis last year. I mean, the guy has won a total of 2 matches since Rotterdam in February.
Warmaster
Hall of Fame
The point is to have a balanced draw.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
The singles draw ceremony takes place on Friday.
The singles seeds reflect the Top 32 in the Emirates ATP Rankings, but the seeding order is then rearranged on a surface-based system. The formula is:
• Take Emirates ATP Rankings points at 16 June 2014.
• Add 100 per cent points earned for all grass-court tournaments in the past 12 months.
• Add 75 per cent points earned for the best grass-court tournament in the 12 months before that.
Bob Bryan and Mike Bryan, the winners of 15 major titles, are top seeds in the doubles draw. They have captured three Wimbledon titles in 2006, 2011 and 2013.
2014 Singles Seeds: [See above]
2014 Doubles Seeds:
[1] Bob Bryan (USA) / Mike Bryan (USA)
[2] Alexander Peya (AUT) / Bruno Soares (BRA)
[3] Daniel Nestor (CAN) / Nenad Zimonjic (SRB)
[4] Julien Benneteau (FRA) / Edouard Roger-Vasselin (FRA)
[5] Leander Paes (IND) / Radek Stepanek (CZE)
[6] Marcel Granollers (ESP) / Marc Lopez (ESP)
[7] Lukasz Kubot (POL) / Robert Lindstedt (SWE)
[8] Rohan Bopanna (IND) / Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi (PAK)
[9] Julian Knowle (AUT) / Marcelo Melo (BRA)
[10] Treat Huey (PHI) / Dominic Inglot (GBR)
[11] Jean-Julien Rojer (NED) / Horia Tecau (ROU)
[12] Michael Llodra (FRA) / Nicolas Mahut (FRA)
[13] Eric Butorac (USA) / Raven Klaasen (RSA)
[14] Jamie Murray (GBR) / John Peers (AUS)
[15] Juan Sebastian Cabal (COL) / Marcin Matkowski (POL)
[16] Pablo Cuevas (URU) / David Marrero (ESP)
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Te...n-Seeds-Announced-Djokovic-Nadal-Federer.aspx
The singles seeds reflect the Top 32 in the Emirates ATP Rankings, but the seeding order is then rearranged on a surface-based system. The formula is:
• Take Emirates ATP Rankings points at 16 June 2014.
• Add 100 per cent points earned for all grass-court tournaments in the past 12 months.
• Add 75 per cent points earned for the best grass-court tournament in the 12 months before that.
Bob Bryan and Mike Bryan, the winners of 15 major titles, are top seeds in the doubles draw. They have captured three Wimbledon titles in 2006, 2011 and 2013.
2014 Singles Seeds: [See above]
2014 Doubles Seeds:
[1] Bob Bryan (USA) / Mike Bryan (USA)
[2] Alexander Peya (AUT) / Bruno Soares (BRA)
[3] Daniel Nestor (CAN) / Nenad Zimonjic (SRB)
[4] Julien Benneteau (FRA) / Edouard Roger-Vasselin (FRA)
[5] Leander Paes (IND) / Radek Stepanek (CZE)
[6] Marcel Granollers (ESP) / Marc Lopez (ESP)
[7] Lukasz Kubot (POL) / Robert Lindstedt (SWE)
[8] Rohan Bopanna (IND) / Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi (PAK)
[9] Julian Knowle (AUT) / Marcelo Melo (BRA)
[10] Treat Huey (PHI) / Dominic Inglot (GBR)
[11] Jean-Julien Rojer (NED) / Horia Tecau (ROU)
[12] Michael Llodra (FRA) / Nicolas Mahut (FRA)
[13] Eric Butorac (USA) / Raven Klaasen (RSA)
[14] Jamie Murray (GBR) / John Peers (AUS)
[15] Juan Sebastian Cabal (COL) / Marcin Matkowski (POL)
[16] Pablo Cuevas (URU) / David Marrero (ESP)
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Te...n-Seeds-Announced-Djokovic-Nadal-Federer.aspx
Mayonnaise
Banned
Why have seeds, then? At any tournament?
batz
G.O.A.T.
It's about recognising grasscourt performance of the last 2 years to make up for the fact the ranking points totals contain precisely zero grass MS or 500 events and therefore skew the rankings heavily in favour of performance away from grass.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Because they take RECENT grass perf into account. Thankfully Murray/Fed are seeded 3 and 4. You don't think it would be unfair on grass to have Wawa AHEAD of BOTH Murray/Fed?? You don't think that one of the top guns having to cope with Fed or Murray before semi at W would be a heavy penalty?? You don't think that having 1 half of the draw with potentially 3 out of Nadal, Djoko, Fed, Murray vs only 1 on the other side would be worse??
They do the special seeding to try and make the draw more fair and balanced, which is exactly what it is this year.
The reason why RG 2013 was not fair and balanced is precisely because RG doesn't do clay seedings but that was a very unique case (Nadal out of the tour for so long). Normally there are enough events on clay that separate clay seedings are not really necessary.
Again, the big problem with the regular rankings this year had nothing to do with the big 4. It had to do with Wawrinka at #3, which is a ranking he absolutely doesn't deserve on grass and which- absurdly- bumped Murray (the last 2 edition finalist AND title holder) to an awkward 5th position. The rest (permuting 1 and 2 or 3 and 4) is quite irrelevant in terms of how the draw works. The tournament will be all the better for the big 4 being at the top 4 spots.
Mayonnaise
Banned
There is nothing absurd about it. Wawrinka is a Slam champion and earned his ranking. Just because he's not a great Grasscourter doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a higher ranking than Murray. The seedings are fair, and so are the rankings.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
As I said elsewhere, I'm in two minds about it and can see both sides of the argument. Now, if only the ATP would make room in the schedule for more grasscourt events and put grass more on a par with hardcourt and clay, there wouldn't be any need for special seedings at Wimbledon!
Lol...as if Kuerten ever needed much excuse to skip Wimbledon given that he must be one of the worst ever grasscourt performers amongst world #1 players!
It's about performance on grass in the previous 12 months, not overall record! In the previous 12 months, Murray had won 2 grasscourt tournaments (Wimbledon and Queens) while Federer had also won 2 (both at Halle) but had crashed out of last year's Wimbledon in the 2nd round!
Federer understands the Wimbledon seeding system and his performance on grass is always consistent enough to ensure him a place in the top 4!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Not a great grass courter, that's exactly what we're talking about. It's Wimbledon, it's grass and Wawa at #3 would make the draw imbalanced
Mayonnaise
Banned
You said it was absurd that Wawrinka pushed Murray down to 5. How is it absurd? Did he not earn his rank? You'd have had a point had you said, "Wawrinka being seeded over Murray at Wimbledon would be absurd."
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
I believe it's purely financial: a way of ensuring as much as possible that the most popular players, who are usually also the most successful, survive into the quarters, semis and finals ... iow if unknowns dominate the semis and finals, fewer butts in seats for those contests ... jmo
p.s. cute user name!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He didn't earn it on grass, no, and that's the whole point of having the special seedings. (the fact that there aren't enough big events on grass for the regular seedings to reflect abilities on that particular surface). Really not that hard to understand unless one doesn't WANT to :-?
Mayonnaise
Banned
You said ranking, not seeding. Here: "Wawrinka at #3, which is a ranking he absolutely doesn't deserve". Why doesn't Wawrinka deserve his #3 ranking? I'm not saying he deserves #3 seeding. I'm saying he deserves #3 ranking.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Anyone know when exactly draw ceremony takes place on Friday? and any live coverage of it that we can watch? It is so exciting..
TIA
i agree about the excitement ... AFAIK they havent yet announced the time ... but there s/b some info when the time comes @ http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/draws/ms/index.html
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Murray has slipped to as low as 8 this year so it is a miracle he is seeded as high as 3 at Wimbledon. If the seeding system was any different he would face a top 4 player in the QFs.
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