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Seeds are as follows:

1. Djokovic
2. Nadal
3. Ruud
4. Tsitsipas
5. Alcaraz
6. Auger-Aliassime
7. Hurkacz
8. Berrettini
9. Norrie
10. Sinner
11. Fritz
12. Schwartzman
13. Shapovalov
14. Cilic
15. Opelka
16. Carreño Busta

Interestingly 13-16 is a tougher slab than 9-12. Likewise 5-8 is tougher than 1-4 overall.

So a 5-8 seeded player could have Schwartzman in R4 and Ruud in QF. Are we looking at another unbalanced draw?

While Nadal and Novak will be in opposing halves for sure, the quarter of Tsitsipas and Ruud can possibly be a cakewalk for the 5-8th seed player in it.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
Seeds are as follows:

1. Djokovic
2. Nadal
3. Ruud
4. Tsitsipas
5. Alcaraz
6. Auger-Aliassime
7. Hurkacz
8. Berrettini
9. Norrie
10. Sinner
11. Fritz
12. Schwartzman
13. Shapovalov
14. Cilic
15. Opelka
16. Carreño Busta

Interestingly 13-16 is a tougher slab than 9-12. Likewise 5-8 is tougher than 1-4 overall.

So a 5-8 seeded player could have Schwartzman in R4 and Ruud in QF. Are we looking at another unbalanced draw?

While Nadal and Novak will be in opposing halves for sure, the quarter of Tsitsipas and Ruud can possibly be a cakewalk for the 5-8th seed player in it.
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5-8 is not tougher than 1-4. It's just Ruud. It's always Ruud...unless it's Norrie.

Yes, we can definitely see another lopsided draw -- which is why there is a small chance for a new winner.
 
Aabye5 said:
5-8 is not tougher than 1-4. It's just Ruud. It's always Ruud...unless it's Norrie.

Yes, we can definitely see another lopsided draw -- which is why there is a small chance for a new winner.
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What I mean is in 5-8, all 4 players are good on grass and a threat. In 1-4, Ruud and Tsitsipas are both weak and should be easy picking for anyone from the 5-8.

Though I don't expect either of Ruud/ Tsitsipas to make the QF.
 
DIMI_D said:
5-8
Hardest Alcaraz and FAA imo
9-16
Shapa cilic and sinner..
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Agree with everything apart from Sinner. Don't see him as a strong opponent in Wimb this year.

Novak/ Rafa could have a very tough draw especially if either of them draw cilic/ shapo in R4 and Kyrgios in earlier rounds.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
Agree with everything apart from Sinner. Don't see him as a strong opponent in Wimb this year.

Novak/ Rafa could have a very tough draw especially if either of them draw cilic/ shapo in R4 and Kyrgios in earlier rounds.
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I thought sinner may skip it i am not sure about him as he is always improving..
 
I would dread a nadal vs FAA maybe more than nadal vs Alcaraz QF after the close call at FO I think FAA is one of nadals biggest threats
 
DIMI_D said:
I would dread a nadal vs FAA maybe more than nadal vs Alcaraz QF after the close call at FO I think FAA is one of nadals biggest threats
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True.. and to think of it even Hurkacz and Berretini are tough draws at Wimb.

And to add to all this mix is the possibility that Kyrgios can take anyone from 1-8 out early and open up the draw. Gonna be an interesting Wimb.
 
Krish872007 said:
FAA's serve and FH will be even better suited to grass than to clay
If he finds the right solution for his game he will be dangerous against the very best
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He has struggled in his last two losses with his ground game. If he can clean it up, he can reach the final. If not...
 
Aabye5 said:
FAA almost seems to prefer Bo5 to Bo3. His mind can wander as much as he wants, but he still has time to recover.

Not a good thing long-term. :p
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Quite true, actually. And yes, not a good thing if he’s not able to focus the entire time. I am still hoping for a deep run.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
What are your thoughts on FAA chances vs Novak at Wimb should they meet in QF?
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Slim against Novak, but he can pull off the upset against Rafa. I would rank Hubi and Nick as bigger threats at this point.

If FAA manages his ground game, as he did in Paris, he has a fair chance against anyone. Anyone. Again, mixing it up with S&V is essential for him.
 
Aabye5 said:
Slim against Novak, but he can pull off the upset against Rafa. I would rank Hubi and Nick as bigger threats at this point.

If FAA manages his ground game, as he did in Paris, he has a fair chance against anyone. Anyone. Again, mixing it up with S&V is essential for him.
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Interesting points. So what do you think makes Novak a tougher matchup for FAA?

So who is the biggest threat for Novak then apart from Rafa. Alcaraz? Berretini?
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
Seeds are as follows:

1. Djokovic
2. Nadal
3. Ruud
4. Tsitsipas
5. Alcaraz
6. Auger-Aliassime
7. Hurkacz
8. Berrettini
9. Norrie
10. Sinner
11. Fritz
12. Schwartzman
13. Shapovalov
14. Cilic
15. Opelka
16. Carreño Busta

Interestingly 13-16 is a tougher slab than 9-12. Likewise 5-8 is tougher than 1-4 overall.

So a 5-8 seeded player could have Schwartzman in R4 and Ruud in QF. Are we looking at another unbalanced draw?

While Nadal and Novak will be in opposing halves for sure, the quarter of Tsitsipas and Ruud can possibly be a cakewalk for the 5-8th seed player in it.
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Dafuq !!! 5-8 is tougher than 1-4 ?

1-4 is where Djokovic and Nadal are. What are you smoking ?
 
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Nadal - GOAT said:
Interesting points. So what do you think makes Novak a tougher matchup for FAA?

So who is the biggest threat for Novak then apart from Rafa. Alcaraz? Berretini?
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Hubert, the gangly heir apparent of Sir Andrew Murray. At any other venue, Nole would eat him for dinner and invite him to come back again without blinking an eye. But this is Wimbledon, and the Brits will be compelled, out of the blue, to cheer for the adopted son of their native son. Discombobulated, Nole will have a small hiccup in the final tiebreak, and Hurkacz will finally claim his rightful name of Hubi the Unlikely.

FAA's ground game is suspect, at the moment. If he plays as he did in Rome, there is some hope, but Nole will exploit any sign of mental fragility in a tiebreak.
 
I think a balanced draw will be
Djokovic/Hurcacz
Ruud/Felix
Tsitsipas/Alcaraz
Nadal/Berretinni
Also likes of Cilic,Murray, Kyrgios ,shapo should be in Ruud and Tsitsipas quarters to make it fairly balanced and it may produce good Qfs all around
 
Nadal_King said:
I think a balanced draw will be
Djokovic/Hurcacz
Ruud/Felix
Tsitsipas/Alcaraz
Nadal/Berretinni
Also likes of Cilic,Murray, Kyrgios ,shapo should be in Ruud and Tsitsipas quarters to make it fairly balanced and it may produce good Qfs all around
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Yes.. don't want another FO scenario where the tournament just got boring after QFs
 
Aabye5 said:
Hubert, the gangly heir apparent of Sir Andrew Murray. At any other venue, Nole would eat him for dinner and invite him to come back again without blinking an eye. But this is Wimbledon, and the Brits will be compelled, out of the blue, to cheer for the adopted son of their native son. Discombobulated, Nole will have a small hiccup in the final tiebreak, and Hurkacz will finally claim his rightful name of Hubi the Unlikely.

FAA's ground game is suspect, at the moment. If he plays as he did in Rome, there is some hope, but Nole will exploit any sign of mental fragility in a tiebreak.
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Yes this. Winning a tiebreak against Novak maybe the toughest job. He literally becomes a backboard in tiebreaks and I dont have faith on FAA to win the tiebreaks against Novak.
 
zuluzazu said:
Yes this. Winning a tiebreak against Novak maybe the toughest job. He literally becomes a backboard in tiebreaks and I dont have faith on FAA to win the tiebreaks against Novak.
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I think he can do it. He is very impressive on serve, as we saw against Rafa. He just can't do it without a forehand and a backhand.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
True.. and to think of it even Hurkacz and Berretini are tough draws at Wimb.

And to add to all this mix is the possibility that Kyrgios can take anyone from 1-8 out early and open up the draw. Gonna be an interesting Wimb.
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"Lame Horse" Nick won't be knocking out any seeds.
 
beast of mallorca said:
Dafuq !!! 5-8 is tougher than 1-4 ?

1-4 is where Djokovic and Nadal are. What are you smoking ?
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SeedingPlayerBest/last Wimbledon resultTitles/finals on grassGrass record (Win %)
1Novak DjokovicW/W7/11102-18 (85%)
2Rafael NadalW/SF4/771-20 (78%)
3Casper Ruud1R/1R0/02-4 (33%)
4Stefanos Tsitsipas4R/1R0/08-8 (50%)
5Carlos Alcaraz2R/2R0/01-1 (50%)
6Felix Auger-AliassimeQF/QF0/222-8 (73%)
7Hubert HurkaczSF/SF1/114-8 (64%)
8Matteo BerrettiniF/F4/533-6 (85%)
 
aldeayeah said:
SeedingPlayerBest/last Wimbledon resultTitles/finals on grassGrass record (Win %)
1Novak DjokovicW/W7/11102-18 (85%)
2Rafael NadalW/SF4/771-20 (78%)
3Casper Ruud1R/1R0/02-4 (33%)
4Stefanos Tsitsipas4R/1R0/08-8 (50%)
5Carlos Alcaraz2R/2R0/01-1 (50%)
6Felix Auger-AliassimeQF/QF0/222-8 (73%)
7Hubert HurkaczSF/SF1/114-8 (64%)
8Matteo BerrettiniF/F4/533-6 (85%)
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Are you disagreeing with me ? :p
 
I can see a ridiculous draw coming, for sure. 7 and 8 are the real 3 and 4, arguably the real 2 and 3, and nobody will want 14. It COULD be really nicely balanced out, but I'm just waiting for one of those top 2 to get 2 out of those 3 guys.
 
ibbi said:
I can see a ridiculous draw coming, for sure. 7 and 8 are the real 3 and 4, arguably the real 2 and 3, and nobody will want 14. It COULD be really nicely balanced out, but I'm just waiting for one of those top 2 to get 2 out of those 3 guys.
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Arguably ?
You're relegating Nadal as the 4th favorite? With Berrettini and Hurkacz ahead ?
 
Draw Of The Dreams
4R Schwartzman
QF Ruud
SF Nadal

Draw From Hell
4R Cilic
QF Berrettini
SF Djokovic
 
beast of mallorca said:
Just because they won London and Halle ? Ok.

Surely Nadal has a better grass pedigree. But i guess that doesn't count here in TTW.

I GUESS we'll see, no ?
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Nadal literally has not played on grass in THREE YEARS. That's a lifetime at his age. He is a complete unknown going onto it (if he plays, has he traveled to London yet, do we know? Monday was meant to be the day, damn it) which is why I said arguably. Berrettini and Hurkacz were two of the stars of last years grass season, and so far they've proven two of the stars of this one too.

Nadal's success, to me, is also sort of weather dependant, and our heatwave here seems to have left us. The week ahead is meant to be nice, so if that grass gets nice and baked like '18, and sort of like '19 too, I'll definitely like his chances more.
 
Nadal_King said:
I think a balanced draw will be
Djokovic/Hurcacz
Ruud/Felix
Tsitsipas/Alcaraz
Nadal/Berretinni
Also likes of Cilic,Murray, Kyrgios ,shapo should be in Ruud and Tsitsipas quarters to make it fairly balanced and it may produce good Qfs all around
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No, that's not a balanced draw. Alcaraz is unproven, Tsitsipas is not at his best and Berrettini has never even pushed either Rafa or Nole to 5 sets.
 
ibbi said:
Nadal literally has not played on grass in THREE YEARS. That's a lifetime at his age. He is a complete unknown going onto it (if he plays, has he traveled to London yet, do we know? Monday was meant to be the day, damn it) which is why I said arguably. Berrettini and Hurkacz were two of the stars of last years grass season, and so far they've proven two of the stars of this one too.

Nadal's success, to me, is also sort of weather dependant, and our heatwave here seems to have left us. The week ahead is meant to be nice, so if that grass gets nice and baked like '18, and sort of like '19 too, I'll definitely like his chances more.
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The thing is, time and again Rafa has been underestimated every time. Australian Open 2022 ring a bell ? Or even this year's FO. Even last 2019 USO andv2018 Wimbledon, where only a Goating Djoker was able to stop him.

I know it's grass, but surely his grass acumen is not secondary to Hurkacz or Berrettini.

But i might be wrong. Again, we'll see, no ?
 
ibbi said:
Nadal literally has not played on grass in THREE YEARS. That's a lifetime at his age. He is a complete unknown going onto it (if he plays, has he traveled to London yet, do we know? Monday was meant to be the day, damn it) which is why I said arguably. Berrettini and Hurkacz were two of the stars of last years grass season, and so far they've proven two of the stars of this one too.

Nadal's success, to me, is also sort of weather dependant, and our heatwave here seems to have left us. The week ahead is meant to be nice, so if that grass gets nice and baked like '18, and sort of like '19 too, I'll definitely like his chances more.
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Rafa said it himself recently:
“If all goes well, I have one week of training left in London,” said Nadal. “In the case of being able to complete it I hope to be competitive. Grass is a very difficult surface and, when you haven’t played for years, as is my case, any round is difficult. The start of the tournament is going to be vital for me.”
 
beast of mallorca said:
The thing is, time and again Rafa has been underestimated every time. Australian Open 2022 ring a bell ? Or even this year's FO. Even last 2019 USO andv2018 Wimbledon, where only a Goating Djoker was able to stop him.

I know it's grass, but surely his grass acumen is not secondary to Hurkacz or Berrettini.

But i might be wrong. Again, we'll see, no ?
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Hey, I'd be delighted to be wrong, being right in the game of predix is not important to me, but Australia was a miracle, and expecting more than one in the same year seems greedy. :D

Obviously, when it comes down to it, if it came down to it, I'd take Nadal between the ears to mentally best the psychologically suspect Berrettini or Hurkacz, but as has been the case for Rafa on grass going all the way back to 2006, it's the getting to those big matches in the first place that can prove the hardest part.
 
ibbi said:
Hey, I'd be delighted to be wrong, being right in the game of predix is not important to me, but Australia was a miracle, and expecting more than one in the same year seems greedy. :D

Obviously, when it comes down to it, if it came down to it, I'd take Nadal between the ears to mentally best the psychologically suspect Berrettini or Hurkacz, but as has been the case for Rafa on grass going all the way back to 2006, it's the getting to those big matches in the first place that can prove the hardest part.
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Why is Berrettini psychologically suspect? He doesn't exactly crumble.
 
ibbi said:
Hey, I'd be delighted to be wrong, being right in the game of predix is not important to me, but Australia was a miracle, and expecting more than one in the same year seems greedy. :D

Obviously, when it comes down to it, if it came down to it, I'd take Nadal between the ears to mentally best the psychologically suspect Berrettini or Hurkacz, but as has been the case for Rafa on grass going all the way back to 2006, it's the getting to those big matches in the first place that can prove the hardest part.
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And i do believe in miracles. Rafa playing still at this age is a miracle.

And so as his Wimbledon 08. AO 09, Rome 06, FO 2013, USO 19 etc.
 
Aabye5 said:
Why is Berrettini psychologically suspect? He doesn't exactly crumble.
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No, but he doesn't exactly flourish either. In both his Madrid final with Zverev and his Wimbledon one with Novak, he got a foot in the door and ended up a noble failure.
 
ibbi said:
No, but he doesn't exactly flourish either. In both his Madrid final with Zverev and his Wimbledon one with Novak, he got a foot in the door and ended up a noble failure.
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That's a talent issue, not a psychological issue if you ask me.
 
Aabye5 said:
Why is Berrettini psychologically suspect? He doesn't exactly crumble.
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I'd ask the same thing. Somehow, some fans think that just because they lose, it's because they lose it mentally. It is an overused excuse. The issue more often than not is the opponent is just better, and has a 3rd gear to rely on. Berrettini does not
 
Aabye5 said:
That's a talent issue, not a psychological issue if you ask me.
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Meh, I think it's both. Let's just be clear, I'm not some Berrettini hater, I spent most of last year championing the dude, and maybe psychologically suspect was an exaggeration, certainly grouping him in with Hurkacz, who did well and truly wet the bed in their Wimbledon match last year, might have been a bit much, but...

I mean, what's talent? How many shots you have? Nadal spent years on tour without much of that, and he won slams anyway because of his giant sacks of will and fight and belief. Now I'm not saying you have to be Nadal in that category to be mentally sound, but you need more of it than Berrettini has ever displayed if we're talking about who we'd favour if they ended up playing in the last couple of rounds of Wimbledon.
 
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