Wimbledon's Bias on Centre Court

[Deleted member 742196]

I dont ascribe any value

People buying the tickets do

At the US Open they have bumped top mens players down for Serena for example

Realize this, it’s a conversation on things we agree/disagree with. Everyone has a different approach, it’s a good thing.

The original intent for merging the tournaments is that each would support the other in down periods. We’re on a decade of great men’s tennis, this might well change once today’s stars are gone.

If we forever diminish the light on women’s tennis as most sports have opted for, by the same argument of money, not only are we foresaking equality, we might also be foresaking tennis.

It’s niche enough already in today’s media environment, tennis needs as many men and women as it can attract.

 

[Deon Sanders]

Realize this, it’s a conversation on things we agree/disagree with. Everyone has a different approach, it’s a good thing.

The original intent for merging the tournaments is that each would support the other in down periods. We’re on a decade of great men’s tennis, this might well change once today’s stars are gone.

If we forever diminish the light on women’s tennis as most sports have opted for, by the same argument of money, not only are we foresaking equality, we might also be foresaking tennis.

It’s niche enough already in today’s media environment, tennis needs as many men and women as it can attract.

If that change occurs I see nothing wrong with putting womens matches on the courts where they will fill them instead of the men

Is it more important for the event to show their equality and have a show court match with 70% of the seats empty or is it more important to maximize the revenue... which by the way is then shared at this time equally among both the genders.

If anything Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal are woefully underpaid. They both will fill any stadium in the world for any level of match down to exho.

 

[stringertom]

You’re new in here. At some point you’ll bump into @stringertom - English isn’t his first language. Or his second. It’s anyone’s guess. Fifth? Eight? Ninth?

Really, he just casts letters your direction and you have to put them in some order. In a way it’s quite impressive.

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[Deleted member 742196]

If that change occurs I see nothing wrong with putting womens matches on the courts where they will fill them instead of the men

Is it more important for the event to show their equality and have a show court match with 70% of the seats empty or is it more important to maximize the revenue... which by the way is then shared at this time equally among both the genders.

If anything Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal are woefully underpaid. They both will fill any stadium in the world for any level of match down to exho.

They are underpaid relative to their value, as always corporations make the most out of it. But they’re also the ones that are the earliest outside investors so in one way it makes sense.

I think we just have to accept or not accept the fact that things which cannot easily be measured in monetary terms - art, music, people, parity, science today that may yield results tomorrow - need to be supported.

The real value in all this is to ourselves and the world we want to live in.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Eye lurned skillz frum de won anne ownly mA.S.Ster @slice bh compliment !

My head hasn’t even begun to hurt, that comes next.

My eyes!

 

[JMR]

Leyland calculated last year’s split as 58% to 32% in favour of men.

The remaining 10 percent comprised a mix of sentient androids, newly intelligent rampaging apes, and dinosauroids from an alternate timeline.

 

[slice bh compliment]

Eye lurned skillz frum de won anne ownly mA.S.Ster @slice bh compliment !

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[The Green Mile]

A ratio of 6:4? Boo hoo...

 

[stringertom]

Well, fanks Stringurtahm. Kreddit wear kredet is doo. I did attind grajwit skule fur spelleng end grandmar at a perstijjus yoonaversatee in northurn kalafornya. I hayt naymdroppeng, but, yeh i lurnD frum tha best uv that best. Standferd.

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[bosko]

Of course money drives the entertainment industry. Fans spend their money based on the perceived quality of the entertainment and television sponsors spends their money based on viewer levels. Evidently, some entertainers make more money, play larger venues, and get more media coverage than others, and not necessarily because they are the best at what they do (see below*).

I propose a 5th grand slam - call it the International Equality Open, with a few changes to the slam format.

1st - get rid of seedings, it's not fair to the weaker players
2nd - the draw is totally random based on lottery
3rd - matches assigned to courts based on lottery
4th - women, men, juniors, singles and doubles matches get equal TV coverage and time on show courts and everyone gets a one minute post match tv interview
5th - no winners or losers, everyone gets a trophy for participating
6th - of course everyone gets paid the same, probably not as much as they want
7th - IEO to be played on a rotating basis at every country once before it can repeat a location (initial schedule based on lottery), why should France, Australia, USA, and the UK be the only countries to have a grand slam. Screw tradition, that's not fair to other countries' players.
8th - Most importantly, absolutely no excessive grunting and shrieking allowed

Also gotta do something about the sponsors - all the $$$ has got to go into a pool equally shared by all players. It's not fair that some players travel (1st class) around the world entering any tournament they want and bring their coaches, chefs, hitting partners, family, masseuse, and even their PETS!!! All players should be allowed to bring their pets!!! That's just not fair.

My dream - TW starts selling clothes and equipment endorsed by every player on the tour (WTA/ATP). Gonna buy me a Dustin Brown hat (does he wear one?).

* Anna Sergeyevna Kournikova (Russian: А́нна Серге́евна Ку́рникова, IPA: [ˈannə sʲɪrˈɡʲejɪvnə ˈkurnʲɪkəvə] ( listen); born 7 June 1981) is a Russian former professional tennis player. Her appearance and celebrity status made her one of the best known tennis stars worldwide. At the peak of her fame, fans looking for images of Kournikova made her name one of the most common search strings on Google Search.
Despite never winning a singles title, she reached No. 8 in the world in 2000. She achieved greater success playing doubles, where she was at times the world No. 1 player. With Martina Hingis as her partner, she won Grand Slam titles in Australia in 1999 and 2002, and the WTA Championships in 1999 and 2000.
Anna Kournikova's estimated net worth is $50 million. Her deals with Pro Tennis and The Biggest Loser are major contributors to her staggering net worth. Her yearly salary was reported to be $5,882,353. Kournikova also earned altogether $3.5 million prize money from WTA Tour.

Poor Anna - too dumb to know she was didn't receive equal pay and didn't play on center court enough.

 

[Mustard]

Typical Guardian article.

 

[mellowyellow]

Clear case of Miss-og-on-her-knees at the highest level of sports. What's a woman athlete to do?

 

[MatsPhilander]

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Well, fanks Stringurtahm. Kreddit wear kredet is doo. I did attind grajwit skule fur spelleng end grandmar at a perstijjus yoonaversatee in northurn kalafornya. I hayt naymdroppeng, but, yeh i lurnD frum tha best uv that best. Standferd.

Aye new rite frum de git geaux ewe wood bee grate four @Hydrocella 's cundishshun. Thanx sew mutch!

Left a note in the other thread as this war of non-words rages across the forum. I don’t know which thread. Hopefully you find it.

Also, bookmarked a dentistry website. It may come of some use.

 

[Bartelby]

I said it wasn't a charity, but less crudely. But you had to split a hair!

The reality is that the main courts of Wimbledon are sold out no matter who is playing.

So I was actually right to say that the qualities of the match should determine which are selected.

It isn’t and you’d be right.

It’s about equality.

And if you believe equality is best measured in monitory value it’s an argument that, to say the least, could use some refining.

I dont ascribe any value

People buying the tickets do

At the US Open they have bumped top mens players down for Serena for example

The test for putting matches on courts should be how many seats are going to sell. This isnt a charity.

 

[Bartelby]

It is indeed a disgusting newspaper.

Typical Guardian article.

 

[Wander]

It is indeed a disgusting newspaper.

Guardian is biased, but so are all the other newspapers pretty much, one way or another.

 

[Bartelby]

Bias is not the main problem, but journalism is supposed to be unbiased in its presentation of news.

It is its grotesque hypocrisy that is my main concern.

Moreover here they are selling us a naive and dangerous view of gender equality; namely, that only a 50/50 split denotes equality.

Guardian is biased, but so are all the other newspapers pretty much, one way or another.

 

[Deon Sanders]

I said it wasn't a charity, but less crudely. But you had to split a hair!

The reality is that the main courts of Wimbledon are sold out no matter who is playing.

So I was actually right to say that the qualities of the match should determine which are selected.

You must have a completely different definition of that than the rest of the world.

 

[Chadillac]

I love how the media trys to tell us what we should think. Womens tennis isnt near the quality of the mens, stop lying to yourself and think they are equal.

They dont put matches on to be "fair", they put them on the entertain the fans.

How many tournament directors have to say the same thing before these pc knuckleheads get it?

 

[Bartelby]

The unintelligent view is not surprisingly shared by those who are engaged on either side of the fence.

People who are capable of detachment come at the problem with different definitions in mind.

You must have a completely different definition of that than the rest of the world.

 

[Pavla]

Yet another whiny thread about the poor, poor men. Jeez, dudes, grow a pair, will you.

 

[Bartelby]

It's an opinion piece based on some facts. They are not telling you anything. You would not have even read it but for this site.

But you are right in saying that matches selected for main courts should be chosen for entertainment value (in a gender-blind manner).

I love how the media trys to tell us what we should think. Womens tennis isnt near the quality of the mens, stop lying to yourself and think they are equal.

They dont put matches on to be "fair", they put them on the entertain the fans.

How many tournament directors have to say the same thing before these pc knuckleheads get it?