Win rate in the year by Big3's Slam final opponents

[Lew II]

FEDERER

2003 Philippoussis win percentage 65.5%
2004 Safin 69.3
2004 Roddick 80.4
2004 Hewitt 79.1
2005 Roddick 80.8
2005 Agassi 76.0
2006 Baghdatis 64.9
2006 Nadal 83.1
2006 Roddick 72.1
2007 Gonzalez 61.7
2007 Nadal 82.4
2007 Djokovic 78.2
2008 Murray 78.4
2009 Soderling 68.7
2009 Roddick 76.2
2010 Murray 71.9
2012 Murray 77.8
2017 Nadal 85.9
2017 Cilic 66.7
2018 Cilic 68.8

average 74.4

NADAL

2005 Puerta 58.7
2006 Federer 94.8
2007 Federer 88.3
2008 Federer 81.5
2008 Federer 81.5
2009 Federer 83.6
2010 Soderling 72.2
2010 Berdych 63.4
2010 Djokovic 77.2
2011 Federer 84.2
2012 Djokovic 86.2
2013 Ferrer 71.4
2013 Djokovic 89.2
2014 Djokovic 88.4
2017 Wawrinka 70.3
2017 Anderson 60.4
2018 Thiem 73.0
2019 Thiem 72.7
2019 Medvedev 73.8
2020 Djokovic 89.1

average 78.0

DJOKOVIC

2008 Tsonga 70.8
2011 Murray 81.2
2011 Nadal 82.1
2011 Nadal 82.1
2012 Nadal 87.5
2013 Murray 84.3
2014 Federer 85.9
2015 Murray 83.5
2015 Federer 85.1
2015 Federer 85.1
2016 Murray 89.7
2016 Murray 89.7
2018 Anderson 71.2
2018 Del Potro 78.3
2019 Nadal 89.1
2019 Federer 83.6
2020 Thiem 73.5

average 82.5

 

[aldeayeah]

Could you add the semifinalists?

 

[Lew II]

Slam finals won against players that had >80% of wins in the year:

Djokovic 13
Nadal 10
Federer 5

Slam finals won against players that had <70% of wins in the year:

Federer 7
Nadal 3
Djokovic 0

 

[Deleted member 748597]

 

[Lew II]

Slam finals won against players that had >80% of wins in the year:

Djokovic 13
Federer 5

Slam finals won against players that had <70% of wins in the year:

Federer 7
Djokovic 0

Vulturerer.

BOATovic

 

[beard]

FEDERER

2003 Philippoussis win percentage 65.5%
2004 Safin 69.3
2004 Roddick 80.4
2004 Hewitt 79.1
2005 Roddick 80.8
2005 Agassi 76.0
2006 Baghdatis 64.9
2006 Nadal 83.1
2006 Roddick 72.1
2007 Gonzalez 61.7
2007 Nadal 82.4
2007 Djokovic 78.2
2008 Murray 78.4
2009 Soderling 68.7
2009 Roddick 76.2
2010 Murray 71.9
2012 Murray 77.8
2017 Nadal 85.9
2017 Cilic 66.7
2018 Cilic 68.8

average 74.4

NADAL

2005 Puerta 58.7
2006 Federer 94.8
2007 Federer 88.3
2008 Federer 81.5
2008 Federer 81.5
2009 Federer 83.6
2010 Soderling 72.2
2010 Berdych 63.4
2010 Djokovic 77.2
2011 Federer 84.2
2012 Djokovic 86.2
2013 Ferrer 71.4
2013 Djokovic 89.2
2014 Djokovic 88.4
2017 Wawrinka 70.3
2017 Anderson 60.4
2018 Thiem 73.0
2019 Thiem 72.7
2019 Medvedev 73.8
2020 Djokovic 89.1

average 78.0

DJOKOVIC

2008 Tsonga 70.8
2011 Murray 81.2
2011 Nadal 82.1
2011 Nadal 82.1
2012 Nadal 87.5
2013 Murray 84.3
2014 Federer 85.9
2015 Murray 83.5
2015 Federer 85.1
2015 Federer 85.1
2016 Murray 89.7
2016 Murray 89.7
2018 Anderson 71.2
2018 Del Potro 78.3
2019 Nadal 89.1
2019 Federer 83.6
2020 Thiem 73.5

average 82.5

Another great statistics that show fact we all know but some won't acknowledge...

Agree it would be nice to see SF stats too...

 

[ForehandCross]

Vulturerer.

BOATovic

For some reason I really loled at BOATovic and picture of Novak with boat.

 

[RS]

Ratings out 10?

 

[nov]

Lol. Federer Goat. How can Fed fans cant admit that his path to all slams was much easier.

 

[NatF]

Rodick's 2004 92% win percentage on grass is certainly less relevant than his win rate across the entire year when looking at him as an opponent at Wimbledon

 

[NoleFam]

Vulturerer.

BOATovic

Ok this was funny.

 

[NoleFam]

Roddick was really good in 2004 and 2005. 80% for the year is actually not shabby at all.

 

[mehdimike]

NADAL

2005 Puerta 58.7
2006 Federer 94.8
2007 Federer 88.3
2008 Federer 81.5
2008 Federer 81.5
2009 Federer 83.6
2010 Soderling 72.2
2010 Berdych 63.4
2010 Djokovic 77.2
2011 Federer 84.2
2012 Djokovic 86.2
2013 Ferrer 71.4
2013 Djokovic 89.2
2014 Djokovic 88.4
2017 Wawrinka 70.3
2017 Anderson 60.4
2018 Thiem 73.0
2019 Thiem 72.7
2019 Medvedev 73.8
2020 Djokovic 89.1

average 78.0

Not the most exact metric. It would be better to do that based on win rates the surfaces.
I mean beating 2019 Thiem at RG seems more impressive than beating 2020 Djokovic there. So stats are misleading in this case since your performance in the whole year can be poor on a surface and be good on another surface.

 

[mehdimike]

Rodick's 2004 92% win percentage on grass is certainly less relevant than his win rate across the entire year when looking at him as an opponent at Wimbledon

Exactly, you should do that based on the surface.

 

[Oceans]

FEDERER

2017 Nadal 85.9

NADAL

2013 Djokovic 89.2
2020 Djokovic 89.1

DJOKOVIC

2014 Federer 85.9
2015 Federer 85.1
2015 Federer 85.1
2016 Murray 89.7
2016 Murray 89.7
2019 Nadal 89.1

These ones really stick out. Some of their finest triumphs.

 

[RS]

Rodick's 2004 92% win percentage on grass is certainly less relevant than his win rate across the entire year when looking at him as an opponent at Wimbledon

Will probably have a thread about that final or the 2012 final at Wimb soon.

 

[Milanez82]

Rodick's 2004 92% win percentage on grass is certainly less relevant than his win rate across the entire year when looking at him as an opponent at Wimbledon

On a small sample size of 2 grass tournament, and without facing a top 10 player beside Federer?
Yes its irrelevant when looking at a big picture

 

[Lew II]

Another great statistics that show fact we all know but some won't acknowledge...

Agree it would be nice to see SF stats too...

FEDERER

2003 Roddick 79.1
2004 Ferrero 59.0
2004 Grosejan 65.1
2004 Henman 66.7
2005 Hewitt 80.4
2005 Hewitt 80.4
2006 Kiefer 63.6
2006 Bjorkman 40.6
2006 Davydenko 70.4
2007 Roddick 77.1
2007 Gasquet 67.1
2007 Davydenko 63.1
2008 Djokovic 79.0
2009 Del Potro 76.8
2009 Haas 64.6
2010 Tsonga 66.0
2012 Djokovic 86.2
2017 Wawrinka 70.3
2017 Berdych 66.0
2018 Chung 61.7

average: 69.2

NADAL

2005 Federer 95.3
2006 Ljubicic 75.0
2007 Djokovic 78.2
2008 Djokovic 79.0
2008 Schuettler 47.7
2009 Verdasco 67.5
2010 Melzer 67.1
2010 Murray 71.9
2010 Youzhny 69.4
2011 Murray 81.2
2012 Ferrer 83.5
2013 Djokovic 89.2
2013 Gasquet 68.5
2014 Murray 74.7
2017 Thiem 63.5
2017 Del Potro 70.4
2018 Del Potro 78.3
2019 Federer 83.6
2019 Berrettini 63.2
2020 Schwartzmann 62.5

average 73.5

DJOKOVIC

2008 Federer 81.5
2011 Federer 84.2
2011 Tsonga 69.6
2011 Federer 84.2
2012 Murray 77.8
2013 Ferrer 71.4
2014 Dimitrov 73.5
2015 Wawrinka 75.3
2015 Gasquet 71.7
2015 Cilic 64.8
2016 Federer 75.0
2016 Thiem 70.7
2018 Nadal 91.8
2018 Nishikori 67.2
2019 Pouille 50.0
2019 Bautista Agut 65.6
2020 Federer 83.3

average 74.0

 

[NatF]

On a small sample size of 2 grass tournament, and without facing a top 10 player beside Federer?
Yes its irrelevant when looking at a big picture

Wins over the two other Wimbledon SF'ists at Queens, a win over Hewitt who returned to the top 10 the next week (and was the only person other than Roddick to take a set from Federer all grass season). Yes Roddick's grass court swing in 2004 was good stuff. The top five grass players in 2004 were Federer, Roddick, Hewitt, Grosjean and Ancic - Roddick had four wins over that group in 2004. He was over 80% on HC as well BTW. His win/loss record on clay is more important than that? lol.

Congrats on exposing yourself though lol.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Slams:

Federer 20
Nadal 20
Djokovic 17
Lew:

 

[Lew II]

hardest combo SF + F

2006 RG Nadal beat Ljubicic (75.0) and Federer (95.8) = average 84.9
2012 RG Nadal beat Ferrer (83.5) and Djokovic (86.2) average 84.8
2007 RG Nadal beat Djokovic (78.2) and Federer (88.3) = average 83.2
2011 UO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Nadal (82.1) = average 83.1
2011 RG Nadal beat Murray (81.2) and Federer (84.2) = average 82.7
2011 AO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Murray (81.2) = average 82.7
2012 AO Djokovic beat Murray (77.8) and Nadal (87.5) = average 82.6
2016 AO Djokovic beat Federer (75.0) and Murray (89.7) = average 82.3

Federer nowhere to be seen.

 

[MichaelNadal]

hardest combo SF + F

2006 RG Nadal beat Ljubicic (75.0) and Federer (95.8) = average 84.9
2012 RG Nadal beat Ferrer (83.5) and Djokovic (86.2) average 84.8
2007 RG Nadal beat Djokovic (78.2) and Federer (88.3) = average 83.2
2011 UO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Nadal (82.1) = average 83.1
2011 RG Nadal beat Murray (81.2) and Federer (84.2) = average 82.7
2011 AO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Murray (81.2) = average 82.7
2012 AO Djokovic beat Murray (77.8) and Nadal (87.5) = average 82.6
2016 AO Djokovic beat Federer (75.0) and Murray (89.7) = average 82.3

Federer nowhere to be seen.

 

[Lew II]

3 slam seasons:

2015 Djokovic beat Murray 83.5, Federer 85.1, Federer 85.1 = average 84.6
2011 Djokovic beat Murray 81.2, Nadal 82.1, Nadal 82.1 = average 81.8
2004 Federer beat Safin 69.3, Roddick 80.4, Hewitt 79.1 = average 76.3
2007 Federer beat Gonzalez 61.7, Nadal 82.4, Djokovic 78.2 = average 74.1
2006 Federer beat Baghdatis 64.9, Nadal 83.1, Roddick 72.1 = average 73.4
2010 Nadal beat Soderling 72.2, Berdych 63.4, Djokovic 77.2 = average 70.9

In their dominant seasons Fedal vultured weak periods while Djokovic beat great opponents.

 

[Third Serve]

Win percentage over a whole season doesn't determine how well someone plays. It's an indicator, but a hell of a vague one at that.

If you split it up by surface, you'd get a little closer, but you'd still need to center on the actual tournament because one guy's results in Indian Wells might not reflect his results in RG.

 

[mehdimike]

Win percentage over a whole season doesn't determine how well someone plays. It's an indicator, but a hell of a vague one at that.

If you split it up by surface, you'd get a little closer, but you'd still need to center on the actual tournament because one guy's results in Indian Wells might not reflect his results in RG.

Hell, even might not reflect his results in WTF, Paris, Shanghai, Cinci!! Ask Nadal

 

[Towny]

Why is win percentage over the whole season suddenly the most important metric when it suits OP?

1. McEnroe 1984 96.5%
2. Connors 1974 95.9%
3. Federer 2005 95.3%
4. Federer 2006 94.8%
5. Borg 1979 93.3%
6. Djokovic 2015 93.2%
7. Lendl 1986/Federer 2004 92.5%
9. Lendl 1985 92.3%
10. Lendl 1982 92.2%

Fedr GOAT, no?

(Or maybe Mac?)

 

[Deleted member 758560]

Fedr GOAT, no?

(Or maybe Mac?)

no, sampras the grass goat.. 90%, fed 89%

 

[Deleted member 775898]

hardest combo SF + F

2006 RG Nadal beat Ljubicic (75.0) and Federer (95.8) = average 84.9
2012 RG Nadal beat Ferrer (83.5) and Djokovic (86.2) average 84.8
2007 RG Nadal beat Djokovic (78.2) and Federer (88.3) = average 83.2
2011 UO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Nadal (82.1) = average 83.1
2011 RG Nadal beat Murray (81.2) and Federer (84.2) = average 82.7
2011 AO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Murray (81.2) = average 82.7
2012 AO Djokovic beat Murray (77.8) and Nadal (87.5) = average 82.6
2016 AO Djokovic beat Federer (75.0) and Murray (89.7) = average 82.3

Federer nowhere to be seen.

I'm shocked you didn't include "off clay", so you could have Djokovic on the first place here as well.

 

[NatF]

Will probably have a thread about that final or the 2012 final at Wimb soon.

Been at least a few days since your last bait thread. I was getting worried

 

[Bamoos]

Utterly useless metric

 

[Bamoos]

hardest combo SF + F

2006 RG Nadal beat Ljubicic (75.0) and Federer (95.8) = average 84.9
2012 RG Nadal beat Ferrer (83.5) and Djokovic (86.2) average 84.8
2007 RG Nadal beat Djokovic (78.2) and Federer (88.3) = average 83.2
2011 UO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Nadal (82.1) = average 83.1
2011 RG Nadal beat Murray (81.2) and Federer (84.2) = average 82.7
2011 AO Djokovic beat Federer (84.2) and Murray (81.2) = average 82.7
2012 AO Djokovic beat Murray (77.8) and Nadal (87.5) = average 82.6
2016 AO Djokovic beat Federer (75.0) and Murray (89.7) = average 82.3

Federer nowhere to be seen.

Higher win % doesn’t make an opponent tougher. See 2015 Federer or Murray for best example of this.

Murray 2011 AO/RG is another great example of this. Played like **** but has a high win % over the season so gets lumped in as a strong opponent.

 

[Third Serve]

Been at least a few days since your last bait thread. I was getting worried

I like to imagine @RS as this guy:

Scouting out GPPD and smiling as he thinks of a new bait thread for the forum.

 

[NatF]

Higher win % doesn’t make an opponent tougher. See 2015 Federer or Murray for best example of this.

Murray 2011 AO/RG is another great example of this. Played like **** but has a high win % over the season so gets lumped in as a strong opponent.

AO 2011 Murray stronger than 2012 AO, WIM, USO Murray

 

[NatF]

I like to imagine @RS as this guy:

Scouting out GPPD and smiling as he thinks of a new bait thread for the forum.

@MichaelNadal

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Will probably have a thread about that final or the 2012 final at Wimb soon.

Which one? There were two finals at Wimbledon in 2012.

 

[RS]

Which one? There were two finals at Wimbledon in 2012.

4-6 7-5 6-4 6-3.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

AO 2011 Murray stronger than 2012 AO, WIM, USO Murray

AO 2011 Murray, who Djokovic defeated, was stronger than 2012 USO Murray, who Djokovic was defeated by. Therefore... Something.

Watch out for all those brains exploding.

 

[NatF]

AO 2011 Murray, who Djokovic defeated, was stronger than 2012 USO Murray, who Djokovic was defeated by. Therefore... Something.

Watch out for all those brains exploding.

It's almost like this statistic is virtually meaningless for determining form in a given match. To even make a slam final and lose it the finalist has to be batting at 85.7% for the tournament, which is already higher than Lew's arbitary cut-off point...

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

It's almost like this statistic is virtually meaningless for determining form in a given match. To even make a slam final and lose it the finalist has to be batting at 85.7% for the tournament, which is already higher than Lew's arbitary cut-off point...

> Disparage slam finalists based on their win rate over the respective year.
> Exalt slam finalists because they were 'in good enough form to reach the final'.
> Pick both.

 

[Third Serve]

> Disparage slam finalists based on their win rate over the respective year.
> Exalt slam finalists because they were 'in good enough form to reach the final'.
> Pick both.

 

[Bamoos]

> Disparage slam finalists based on their win rate over the respective year.
> Exalt slam finalists because they were 'in good enough form to reach the final'.
> Pick both.

Lew’s argument in every topic he makes.

Onto the next one.

 

[RS]

Been at least a few days since your last bait thread. I was getting worried

Not today but sometime soon though.

 

[mike danny]

Lol. Federer Goat. How can Fed fans cant admit that his path to all slams was much easier.

Why can't you guys admit that you're getting tiresome 13 years later?

 

[mike danny]

On a small sample size of 2 grass tournament, and without facing a top 10 player beside Federer?
Yes its irrelevant when looking at a big picture

He beat Hewitt in Queens just a week before returning to the top 10. And Ancic on grass sure as heck is a tougher opponent than top 10 player Ferrer.

And besides, Ancic and Grosjean were top 10 at some point in their careers anyway.

 

[NatF]

He beat Hewitt in Queens just a week before returning to the top 10. And Ancic on grass sure as heck is a tougher opponent on grass than top 10 player Ferrer.

Grosjean went 25-7 on grass across 2003-2005, but 5 of his 7 losses were either to Roddick himself or Federer. His other two losses were to Philippoussis at Wimbledon (not a bad loss) and Vacek in Hertogenbosch. So basically the guy had one bad loss in three years on grass and was essentially 25-2 against the field minus the top two grass players.

But of course players like this don't get factored into Lewisian statistics

 

[mike danny]

Grosjean went 25-7 on grass across 2003-2005, but 5 of his 7 losses were either to Roddick himself or Federer. His other two losses were to Philippoussis at Wimbledon (not a bad loss) and Vacek in Hertogenbosch. So basically the guy had one bad loss in three years on grass and was essentially 25-2 against the field minus the top two grass players.

But of course players like this don't get factored into Lewisian statistics

Honestly, Ancic is about as good on grass as someone like Tsonga.

Grosjean isn't far behind either.

 

[TMF]

Why is win percentage over the whole season suddenly the most important metric when it suits OP?

1. McEnroe 1984 96.5%
2. Connors 1974 95.9%
3. Federer 2005 95.3%
4. Federer 2006 94.8%
5. Borg 1979 93.3%
6. Djokovic 2015 93.2%
7. Lendl 1986/Federer 2004 92.5%
9. Lendl 1985 92.3%
10. Lendl 1982 92.2%

Fedr GOAT, no?

(Or maybe Mac?)

I got the full list here with all the players having 90+ winning percentage in a season.
Lendl holds the most number of season with 5, Connors has 4, Federer/Borg each with 3

Highest Season Winning Percentage
1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
6. Novak Djokovic(2015) .932 82-6
7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
= Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
9. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
10. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
11. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
= Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6
13. Ivan Lendl (1989) .919 79-7
= Jimmy Connors(1975) .919 79-7
15. Jimmy Connors(1976) .918 90-8
16. Jimmy Connors(1978) .917 66-6
17. Björn Borg(1977) .916 76-7
18. Rafael Nadal (2013) .915 75-7
19. Ivan Lendl (1987) .914 74-7

 

[ibbi]

2020 Djokovic 89.1

I mean... Come on, Lew This might be one of your dumbest, detached from reality takes ever. Federer in the 2008 Roland Garros final also one of the elite opponents north of 80%? 2006 Nadal a greater scalp than 2007 Nadal in the Wimbledon final?

 

[blablavla]

hardest combo SF + F

2006 RG Nadal beat Ljubicic (75.0) and Federer (95.8) = average 84.9
2007 RG Nadal beat Djokovic (78.2)

you must be kidding, no?
weak era mug Ljubicic on clay and baby Novak?
isn't that the main argument for 2003-2007 being weak era?

how can it be tough combo? Lewie, Lewie, Lewie

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

it's randomlunchtime, guys!!!

I'll have a geometrical mean steak, please.
(could you sparkle some ELO bits on it? thank you)