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[chrischris]

On To The Great Future Of Offshore Wind Power — Manhattan Contrarian

Today was a big day on the way to New York’s energy future: Our “Climate Action Council” voted to approve the final “Scoping Plan,” telling us all how we are going to achieve, among other goals, 70% of statewide electricity from renewable energy sources by 2030 and a zero-emission electricity system

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Russia did not invade Ukraine because of oil. Russia is one of the biggest producers of oil in the world. WW2 was not about oil either.

Do you like these statements?

 

[chrischris]

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/09/reality-bites-wind.php

Not to mention the need for all the cobalt for batteries that currently is being mined by children in Africa. All this so that the gullible can fool themselves into believing that they are "saving" the planet.

Kids in Nigeria didnt get much out of the oil money did they?

 

[chrischris]

Wwii had a bit to do with oil.
Farben IG, Noth Africa front and Eastern front into Russia... Yes, black stuff was key.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

 

[Crocodile]

The thing is that it seems oil and gas is /has already killing off people... WW2, Iraq, the invasion going on right now of Ukraine...

Australia is sending coal to Ukraine to fight Russia, not solar panels and wind turbines. Whoever controls energy, controls the world.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

On a more serious note.

 

[Crocodile]

Some would say that in the last decade the adoption of renewables increased by about 3 percent, something like 8 percent to 11 percent which is very slow uptake,
Even if 5 rich countries went net zero ( such as the tiny Island of Denmark) and the rest could not, it would have zero impact on anything.
The developing countries like China. Africa India and South America won’t reduce their emissions because they want to get out of poverty and become like the rich countries They want abundant electricity so they can build their cities. They want to increase their fossil fuel consumption. China has used more concrete last year than the US has in the last 109 years. They are also saying that the rich European and Anglo countries achieved massive prosperity in the last 100 years with fossil driven industrialisation so they will demand that they pay for their accumulative emissions by subsidising the poor countries which would require a yearly cash injection of about 1 trillion a year ( which they don’t have) which will result in mass decrease in living standards and the people driving in their electric cars and having a smashed avocado on toast in their inner city cafes won’t cop it.
So many don’t know what energy types will be introduced, but it is unlikely to be renewables, that’s just virtue signalling. There has been talk of fusion but that won’t be ready for maybe another 20 years, so that’s the situation.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

Do you like these statements?

I like it when the 2x4 of reality hits environmentalists living in fantasy land upside their heads.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

In the last decade the adoption of renewables increased by about 3 percent, something like 8 percent to 11 percent which is very slow uptake,
Even if 5 rich countries went net zero ( such as the tiny Island of Denmark) and the rest could not, it would have zero impact on anything.
The developing countries like China. Africa India and South America won’t reduce their emissions because they want to get out of poverty and become like the rich countries They want abundant electricity so they can build their cities. They want to increase their fossil fuel consumption. China has used more concrete last year than the US has in the last 109 years. They are also saying that the rich European and Anglo countries achieved massive prosperity in the last 100 years with fossil driven industrialisation so they will demand that they pay for their accumulative emissions by subsidising the poor countries which would require a yearly cash injection of about 1 trillion a year ( which they don’t have) which will result in mass decrease in living standards and the people driving in their electric cars and having a smashed avocado on toast in their inner city cafes won’t cop it.
So many don’t know what energy types will be introduced, but it is unlikely to be renewables, that’s just virtue signalling. There has been talk of fusion but that won’t be ready for maybe another 20 years, so that’s the situation.

The Chinese government won't let a bunch of whiny malcontent self-appointed environmental evangelists stop them from burning whatever they need to in their power plants in order to maintain power.

 

[Crocodile]

Kids in Nigeria didnt get much out of the oil money did they?

If they did get the money out of oil they would have been better off but the elites and climate activists don’t want them too. Meanwhile they fly to Davos in their private jets.

 

[Crocodile]

The Chinese government won't let a bunch of whiny malcontent self-appointed environmental evangelists stop them from burning whatever they need to in their power plants in order to maintain power.

The CCP won’t be dictated to even if president Macron from France calls for a global government. You wonder who this guy ( Macron ) thinks he is.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

Real-time Operating Grid - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

If the US relied only on renewable energy, the recent cold spell would have been a mass casualty event. Note that the power generated from wind during it dropped 50% when energy was needed the most.

Good thing the US didn't keep fossil fuels "in the ground".

 

[chrischris]

Australia is sending coal to Ukraine to fight Russia, not solar panels and wind turbines. Whoever controls energy, controls the world.

Indeed that seems true..fossil fuels since before most of us were born.. So, open your eyes and
look at the mess we are in.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

Indeed that seems true..fossil fuels since before most of us were born.. So, open your eyes and
look at the mess we are in.

Sorry, people don't want to live like they did in the Dark Ages anymore. Currently, even poor people in this country live better than royalty did in the past. Except for a few crazies, no one wants to go back to living like they did in the middle ages.

 

[chrischris]

Sorry, people don't want to live like they did in the Dark Ages anymore. Currently, even poor people in this country live better than royalty did in the past. Except for a few crazies, no one wants to go back to living like they did in the middle ages.

Yawn. Of course they dont, genious you.
Thats why we can make it if we dont continue overdosing on fossil fuel.
If we go on like now with too much old fossil power, yep, we will Indeed end up poor all of us... Every single one of us.

 

[chrischris]

These guts own it...
Selfmade success and home made electricity. Thats business....

Samsø Island 100% wind - Nordregio

archive.nordregio.se

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

Yawn. Of course they dont, genious you.
Thats why we can make it if we dont continue overdosing on fossil fuel.
If we go on like now with too much old fossil power, yep, we will Indeed end up poor all of us... Every single one of us.

There's enough to last hundreds of years. By that time, someone may have come up with new technology. Just as new technology stopped the world from extincting the whales in order to burn their fat in lamps.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

These guts own it...
Selfmade success and home made electricity. Thats business....

Samsø Island 100% wind - Nordregio

archive.nordregio.se

The article says their main industry is tourism and agriculture. Do they run wind powered tractors or do they use animals to pull the plows? They have only 4100 people there. Forward that article to the German Energy Bureau, they have just restarted coal burning plants. Why don't they just build the 430,000 turbines they would need for 83,000,000 people? That and then hope the wind blows.
And of course mining the millions of pounds of copper that would be required to do that.
It's easy to talk about saving the world when one's stomach is full while living in a warm, dry place. People that don't have that don't give one damn that the temperature is going to be up 1 degree in a hundred years.

 

[Crocodile]

Indeed that seems true..fossil fuels since before most of us were born.. So, open your eyes and
look at the mess we are in.

Ok, so can you explain with all respect ( with opened eyes) what percentage of renewables should every country reach by 2030 if it wishes to allegedly keep temperature warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. At present in the last decade the world has increased its use of solar and wind from around 4 percent to 8 percent of total energy production, so that’s a very small increase.
I have actually asked this question about 4 times and you keep ignoring it. Is there a reason why you won’t address this topic as it should be at the core justification of your manifesto.
As you continue to push what seems to me to be very extreme climate dystopian narratives, and I assume you want urgent action now, then outline the way forward for all countries. Let’s go forward together.
It would appear from my point of view that there would be no atmospheric change no if a few countries banned fossil fuels but the rest actually wouldn’t or were not in a political or economic position to do so. This is just one observation I would like to make.
There are many others to get on to, but you have to address this one first. Maybe you could also elaborate on the mess we are in, what do you mean about that ?
So if you want to advance the conversation we have to address the discussion question that I posed to you otherwise then can be no positive progress and you are just repeating the same mantra which I guess thus is how governments with the aid of the mainstream media and corporates try to control people.

 

[chrischris]

There's enough to last hundreds of years. By that time, someone may have come up with new technology. Just as new technology stopped the world from extincting the whales in order to burn their fat in lamps.

Sounds romantic and quite juvenile.

 

[Crocodile]

Sounds romantic and quite juvenile.

What sounds juvenile is believing that solar and wind will supply the energy needs by 2030. The experts know that this won’t happen. Have a watch if this. I believe you know this as well Chris.

 

[chrischris]

What sounds juvenile is believing that solar and wind will supply the energy needs by 2030. The experts know that this won’t happen. Have a watch if this. I believe you know this as well Chris.

Heard of baseload renewable energy?
Green Hydrogen and batteries maybe?
Read up on these if you like.

 

[Crocodile]

Heard of baseload renewable energy?
Green Hydrogen and batteries maybe?
Read up on these if you like.

Yes I have heard of those terms being used, but so far see no evidence of the whole world adopting it as renewables are only at 8 percent, up only 4 percent in a decade, hardly baseload. Even in South Australia, they have to rely of massive inter connectors with Victorian brown coal and NSW black coal because the damn solar panels don’t work when it’s cloudy and the wind turbines don’t spin when there is no wind. In 2016 they had a storm which damaged one of the inter connectors and the whole state went into a 5 day black out, you just can’t make this stuff up. Elon put the worlds largest back up Tesla battery but it only provides about 7 minutes of back up power ( no mention of baseload)
The other problem is simply a logical mathematical issue. The energy density of renewable energy plants is about 1 hundredth of the energy compared to a medium 50 year old coal power station so you have to build thousands of renewable plants ( using steel and cement made from coal and iron ore blast furnaces ) everywhere with transmission infrastructure and rebuild them 18 years later at a loss return on investment. It’s like buying a car and having a repayment plan for 10 years but the car only lasts 8 years leaving you out of pocket for 2 years.
The batteries leak energy so that hurts baseload capability. By the time batteries get better it will be well past your tipping point of no return.
Ok, what percentage of baseload ( your words) renewable energy will be needed by 2030 ( When the 12 years are up) by all countries to keep warming under 1.5 degrees Celsius? I have asked this question many times and because no answer has been forthcoming I will assume that deep in your heart you don’t believe that all countries can or will transition to renewables, or you are more interested in other agendas. Australia which is a very rich country in theory, ( not in reality because they now owe about a trillion dollars ) let’s say if they did reach their net zero target would only be cutting world emissions by 1.3 percent, and that could only be valid for a short time because the cost of such a job would put the nation into a situation of much lowered living standards and I don’t think the inner city elites can handle that.

 

[chrischris]

What sources for info on energy do you use BK?

 

[Username_]

meanwhile china doesn't give a damn about renewables

 

[chrischris]

meanwhile china doesn't give a damn about renewables

In reality they do compared to in the past, they need to speed up or be left behind.

 

[Crocodile]

In reality they do compared to in the past, they need to speed up or be left behind.

No this is not the case. The CCP won’t go renewable unless the west sacrifice themselves first. Mind you they are useful fools for the WEF, which share the same goal, the hatred and destruction. of the United Stares and its allies. Europe already is a basket case, Australia and NZ are Klaus’s test case and US is the jewel in the crown and the last line of defence. Wake up people.

China is building more than half of the world's new coal power plants

China accounted for 52 per cent of the 176 gigawatts of coal capacity under construction in 20 countries last year, according to the Global Energy Monitor

www.newscientist.com

 

[Crocodile]

The whole renewable, climate change agenda is just a pile of artificially generated fear strategy and destraction designed to destroy economies all around the world so they, the globalists can bring in their global slavery system.
There is basically zero chance that all countries will replace fossil fuels with unreliables by 2030 but instead will cause as much misery and poverty in the world in the meantime which is the intended goal and they now this. Ask anyone how every country will achieve net zero by 2030 and it falls on deaf ears, because it’s all a lie.
They will just want keep the lies going and shut down the views they don’t agree with threats and intimidation.

 

[chrischris]

No this is not the case. The CCP won’t go renewable unless the west sacrifice themselves first. Mind you they are useful fools for the WEF, which share the same goal, the hatred and destruction. of the United Stares and its allies. Europe already is a basket case, Australia and NZ are Klaus’s test case and US is the jewel in the crown and the last line of defence. Wake up people.

China is building more than half of the world's new coal power plants

China accounted for 52 per cent of the 176 gigawatts of coal capacity under construction in 20 countries last year, according to the Global Energy Monitor

www.newscientist.com

Sacrifice? Its profitable..
The survival of us all is at stake... You seem to have it all upside down.

 

[Crocodile]

Sacrifice? Its profitable..
The survival of us all is at stake... You seem to have it all upside down.

One world centralised global governance will never be profitable and millions of people will die and those who tried to implement this insanity will not have a clean conscience, nor will they be around once the damage they caused is realised. Sometimes that’s how the world goes and unfortunately many people will suffer. Society functions best when individuals are able to be of service to each other and this does not function well in a centralised controlled system.
It’s not the first time apocalyptic dates and threats of climate doom and other things have been inflicted on society through fear based control narratives. As many are aware we now allegedly have 7 years to go before the imagined tipping point is reached and all that’s happened is that people have had their electricity bills tripled, their food supplies intentionally destroyed and the economies and businesses shut down. So it’s all about tearing things down and destroying everything so that a much worse solution can be enforced on society, that’s how it plays out. It won’t do anything for the climate.
I think people need to understand this and believe that it can be stopped. I’m sure the people in Oxfordshire County with their proposed 15 minute climate lock down will wake up to what is going on.
As I have said before and I will say it again, the renewable ideology is akin to the Dutch Tulip Mania and it will all come crashing down for many reasons.
The trillions of dollars needed on a yearly basis for each country to pursue carbon zero will not be a sustainable course of action.

 

[chrischris]

One world centralised global governance will never be profitable and millions of people will die and those who tried to implement this insanity will not have a clean conscience, nor will they be around once the damage they caused is realised. Sometimes that’s how the world goes and unfortunately many people will suffer. Society functions best when individuals are able to be of service to each other and this does not function well in a centralised controlled system.
It’s not the first time apocalyptic dates and threats of climate doom and other things have been inflicted on society through fear based control narratives. As many are aware we now allegedly have 7 years to go before the imagined tipping point is reached and all that’s happened is that people have had their electricity bills tripled, their food supplies intentionally destroyed and the economies and businesses shut down. So it’s all about tearing things down and destroying everything so that a much worse solution can be enforced on society, that’s how it plays out. It won’t do anything for the climate.
I think people need to understand this and believe that it can be stopped. I’m sure the people in Oxfordshire County with their proposed 15 minute climate lock down will wake up to what is going on.
As I have said before and I will say it again, the renewable ideology is akin to the Dutch Tulip Mania and it will all come crashing down for many reasons.
The trillions of dollars needed on a yearly basis for each country to pursue carbon zero will not be a sustainable course of action.

Well if you have not been out of your cave lately the fact is fossil fuels have been in charge fur decades and have central influence on your life. Influencers,posers. Media, social media etc running on emotions can and have somewhat taken support from such like to gain your trust it seems. Taking position on all other issues to delay, stall etc.. You know this segment better than most i guess.
Decentralised diversified bigger variation in energy portfolio is what you need.therein lies safety power and healthy future devoid of what you seem to be anxious about...
Yet, you have an inclination to think its not.. Paradoxically, you are against what you long for. I dont know how to help you out of the dark place you seen to be in on these things.. Good luck.

 

[Username_]

they will come for the cows next

 

[Crocodile]

Well if you have not been out of your cave lately the fact is fossil fuels have been in charge fur decades and have central influence on your life. Politicians running on emotions can and have somewhat taken support from such like to gain your trust it seems. Taking position on all other issues to delay, stall etc.. You know this better than most.
Decentralisefd diversified bigger variation in energy portfolio is what you need.
Yet, you have an inclination to think its not.. Paradoxically, you are against what you long for. I dont know how to help you out of the dark place you seen to be in on these things.. Good luck.

The only problem with your argument is that the renewable powered electronic future will not be stand alone decentralised system because that’s not the plan or objective of Agenda 30 Smart Cities policies. The plan is to enforce individuals to use less energy due to climate narratives so that will be policed through centralised control and compliance.
Your electricity usage and carbon footprint will be monitored 24/7 and will be linked to your social credit score and digital bank account so you will be totally controlled by AI big brother and everything will be programmable. Nothing decentralised has been planned here. You will be told what temperature you can have on your air conditioning on how much and what type of food you can eat, what treatment protocol you must have and where and when you can go and whether you can leave your home.
And it’s going to be so expensive that you won’t be able to own anything, you will be forced to subscribe to a home and your home will be used by some random person to run their business while you are out working and being transported by a driverless car that you will only be able to access if your digital passport meets satisfactory compliance measures.
That’s how renewables will be implemented sorry. You could try and live off the grid using renewables but your privileges and online access will be shut off and your funds frozen, just like the Canadian farmers,

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

What sources for info on energy do you use BK?

The charts are from US Energy Information Administration. EIA.gov

The only problem with your argument is that the renewable powered electronic future will not be stand alone decentralised system because that’s not the plan or objective of Agenda 30 Smart Cities policies. The plan is to enforce individuals to use less energy due to climate narratives so that will be policed through centralised control and compliance.
Your electricity usage and carbon footprint will be monitored 24/7 and will be linked to your social credit score and digital bank account so you will be totally controlled by AI big brother and everything will be programmable. Nothing decentralised has been planned here. You will be told what temperature you can have on your air conditioning on how much and what type of food you can eat, what treatment protocol you must have and where and when you can go and whether you can leave your home.
And it’s going to be so expensive that you won’t be able to own anything, you will be forced to subscribe to a home and your home will be used by some random person to run their business while you are out working and being transported by a driverless car that you will only be able to access if your digital passport meets satisfactory compliance measures.
That’s how renewables will be implemented sorry. You could try and live off the grid using renewables but your privileges and online access will be shut off and your funds frozen, just like the Canadian farmers,

Sounds far out until you realize that in Oxford, UK people will have to apply for permits to be able to drive in private cars. The government and not the person driving gets to decide if their trip is necessary.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

they will come for the cows next

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/27/eating-insects-good-for-you/

Of course, just like the people who fly private jets to global warming conferences, they will eat whatever they want but you have to eat bugs.

 

[chrischris]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/27/eating-insects-good-for-you/

Of course, just like the people who fly private jets to global warming conferences, they will eat whatever they want but you have to eat bugs.

Do you appreciate other peoples poverty and its Reasons?

 

[chrischris]

European weather: Winter heat records smashed all over continent

From Spain to Latvia, national and regional records for January are broken across the continent.

www.bbc.com

Windy too

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

All you need to know about how mindlessly stupid the fanatical green energy crusade is can be seen in this chart. The activists expect the energy that accounts for a tiny sliver at the top to replace all the rest.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

Do you appreciate other peoples poverty and its Reasons?

Yes, there's 4 ways to avoid poverty in the US:
1. Don't commit crime.
2. Graduate high-school.
3. Don't have kids if you aren't married
4. Get a job, any job.

Williams: A simple formula for avoiding poverty

Finish high school; get a job; marry before having kids; and obey the law.

www.goupstate.com

In other countries poverty occurs because there's a lack of capitalism.

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

Oh and if you disagree with Dr. Williams, you are, according to the new rules, racist.

 

[sureshs]

Oh and if you disagree with Dr. Williams, you are, according to the new rules, racist.

He was just another Uncle Tom, the types who are immune to criticism because they can cry racism when either side attacks them.

 

[chrischris]

Yes, there's 4 ways to avoid poverty in the US:
1. Don't commit crime.
2. Graduate high-school.
3. Don't have kids if you aren't married
4. Get a job, any job.

Williams: A simple formula for avoiding poverty

Finish high school; get a job; marry before having kids; and obey the law.

www.goupstate.com

In other countries poverty occurs because there's a lack of capitalism.

You are a bit of a comedian..
Im a capitalist but not like you seem to be in some kind of retro 1980s way.

 

[LuckyR]

Yes, there's 4 ways to avoid poverty in the US:
1. Don't commit crime.
2. Graduate high-school.
3. Don't have kids if you aren't married
4. Get a job, any job.

Williams: A simple formula for avoiding poverty

Finish high school; get a job; marry before having kids; and obey the law.

www.goupstate.com

In other countries poverty occurs because there's a lack of capitalism.

You forgot #5. Don't get sick.

Healthcare costs are the #2 reason for bankruptcy.

 

[sureshs]

My wind power is near my back pocket, if you know what I mean

 

[chrischris]

All you need to know about how mindlessly stupid the fanatical green energy crusade is can be seen in this chart. The activists expect the energy that accounts for a tiny sliver at the top to replace all the rest.

Nice fantasy /story, only your problem is its not whats being planned.. But by all means if it tickles your imagination enjoy the imaginary ride.

 

[chrischris]

Investment in renewable energy now is as big as in the old dirty stuff.
..

 

[sureshs]

My wind power is near my back pocket, if you know what I mean

@stringertom missed this. Sign of senility.

 

[stringertom]

@stringertom missed this. Sign of senility.

Sign I really don’t read all of Chris threads, nor do I stalk you to keep a (big)breast uv ewer banalities.

 

[chrischris]

The Chinese government won't let a bunch of whiny malcontent self-appointed environmental evangelists stop them from burning whatever they need to in their power plants in order to maintain power.

Look who is whining...
Btw noone is say stuff you tend to say they have.. On the topic of oppressive ways and propaganda maybe you can work in the place you dont say you like.. Maybe a bit as a speech writer or Blogger ? They like untrue statement, just like you seem to, after seeing your sad misrepresentations.