Winning at Least 8 Titles in a Season

McEnroeisanartist

Hall of Fame
Roger Federer has already won 5 titles this season.

If he wins 3 more titles this season, it will be the 5th Season he will have won at least 8 titles in a season.

Nadal has only 2 seasons with winning at least 8 titles in a season.

Sampras had 4 seasons.
Lendl had 6 seasons.
Borg had 5 seasons.
McEnroe had 5 seasons.
Connors had 7 seasons.
Wilander had 1.
Djokovic had 1.
Agassi, Becker, and Edberg had 0.
 
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Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Rod Laver:

1962 - 21 titles
1964 - 10 titles
1965 - 17 titles
1966 - 16 titles
1967 - 19 titles
1969 - 18 titles
1970 - 15 titles
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Roger never got close to winning 21 titles in one year. It's amazing just how incredibly superior Laver was as a tennis player than Roger is....

Not sure if serious regarding me, are you, guys.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
Rod Laver:

1962 - 21 titles
1964 - 10 titles
1965 - 17 titles
1966 - 16 titles
1967 - 19 titles
1969 - 18 titles
1970 - 15 titles

Most pro titles are just two matches that are one setters. There are some grand slam matches that were best of three in the first few rounds.

Federer got 8 for sure this year. He already has Basel, and the Year End Exho. Just needs another title somewhere....maybe the US Open or Paris Masters.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Rod Laver:

1962 - 21 titles
1964 - 10 titles
1965 - 17 titles
1966 - 16 titles
1967 - 19 titles
1969 - 18 titles
1970 - 15 titles

Open era is more significant because there's no split fields, and a lot of Laver's titles he only needed to win 1 or 2 matches.



Historians have Connors as the record holder:

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. John McEnroe 77
4. Roger Federer 75*
5. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
7. Guillermo Vilas 62
8. Andre Agassi 60
9. Sampras 6
= Rafael Nadal 50*
10. Boris Becker 49
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
68, 69 and 70 were "open" years. Funny how they look so similar to his "pro" years. Hmmm! I couldn't find stats for 68, even though Laver won the very first open Wimbledon that year.

A lot of them are 4 man event. E.g. Sao Paulo, Brazil; La Paz, Bolivia; Nashville
 
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Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Open era is more significant because there's no split fields, and a lot of Laver's titles he only needed to win 1 or 2 matches.



Historians have Connors as the record holder:

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. John McEnroe 77
4. Roger Federer 75*
5. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
7. Guillermo Vilas 62
8. Andre Agassi 60
9. Sampras 6
= Rafael Nadal 50*
10. Boris Becker 49

Those are only ATP titles, knucklehead. The ATP didn't even exist before 1973, and was the second rate tour until the WCT folded.

In the reality based world, Connors, Lendl and Rosewall actually had nearly 150 total titles, and Laver had 200 titles.
 
Those are only ATP titles, knucklehead. The ATP didn't even exist before 1973, and was the second rate tour until the WCT folded.

In the reality based world, Connors, Lendl and Rosewall actually had nearly 150 total titles, and Laver had 200 titles.

Do you think, that it is possible for the players to play on a high enough level until they are 40 in order to compete for the biggest titles in today's tennis?
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Those are only ATP titles, knucklehead. The ATP didn't even exist before 1973, and was the second rate tour until the WCT folded.

In the reality based world, Connors, Lendl and Rosewall actually had nearly 150 total titles, and Laver had 200 titles.
Open era is more significant because there's no split fields, and a lot of Laver's titles he only needed to win 1 or 2 matches.



Historians have Connors as the record holder:

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. John McEnroe 77
4. Roger Federer 75*
5. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
7. Guillermo Vilas 62
8. Andre Agassi 60
9. Sampras 6
= Rafael Nadal 50*
10. Boris Becker 49

I know those are ATP titles, that's what I wrote. But you're ignoring what I've stated that many Laver's titles only require to win 2 matches. In today's smallest event(atp250) required 4 matches. Not to mention there were 2 separate circuits before the open era. Laver may have the most titles in the pre era, but in the open era it belongs to the players I've posted above. His 200 titles doesn't have the same weight as today. Even all of his pro majors aren't equal to the GS titles in the open era.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Do you think, that it is possible for the players to play on a high enough level until they are 40 in order to compete for the biggest titles in today's tennis?

I don't think Limpin will answer you. The answer is NO because the game is getting too physical, especially when there's more hard court tennis than in the 60s. You also have to play more matches to win tournament and for players getting older it doesn't get any easier. Even if a player is incredibly fit and injured free, playing in his 30s you're still at a disadvantage against the younger player who has more energy and better stamina. While it's feasible to play tennis at 40 in the 60s, but in today's standard a player at that age can only compete on the senior tour.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
Even laver himself said that winning a major in the modern game is akin to winning 3 majors in his day.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Rod Laver:

1962 - 21 titles
1964 - 10 titles
1965 - 17 titles
1966 - 16 titles
1967 - 19 titles
1969 - 18 titles
1970 - 15 titles

More like.

Rod Laver*
1962 - 21 titles
1964 - 10 titles
1965 - 17 titles
1966 - 16 titles
1967 - 19 titles
1969 - 18 titles
1970 - 15 titles

* = including mickey mouse tournaments won in a 4-men draw, also counting useless exhos and tournaments not bigger than a challenger title in Szczecin
 

Steve132

Professional
More like.

Rod Laver*
1962 - 21 titles
1964 - 10 titles
1965 - 17 titles
1966 - 16 titles
1967 - 19 titles
1969 - 18 titles
1970 - 15 titles

* = including mickey mouse tournaments won in a 4-men draw, also counting useless exhos and tournaments not bigger than a challenger title in Szczecin

I wouldn't be quite as hard on this claim as you are, although I will admit that on more than one occasion I have used the term "mickey mouse" to describe some of the tournaments that some fans of former players want to credit to their heroes. For tennis historians it is essential to compile a complete record of all players' achievements, so we definitely need to include exhibitions and small tournaments in their list of titles. The problem comes when fans want to compare that augmented list with Federer's 75 or Sampras's 64 or Nadal's 50. In this scenario, Connors, for example, has 148 titles credited to him instead of the official ATP total of 109, Borg has 101 instead of the ATP total of 63, and Laver with 200 and Rosewall with 132 are also far ahead of any contemporary player. (These numbers are approximate).

This is misleading, to say the least. Today's players will never reach those totals. partly because exhibitions are not counted, and small invitational events no longer exist. More importantly, however, in today's ATP the leading players take part in the SAME events. Participation in the 4 majors, the WTF and the 9 Masters events is mandatory, and generally speaking every player in the top 50 who is not injured (top 8 for the WTF) takes part in all of these. The only significant occasional exceptions are the two Masters events after the US Open. Top players structure their calendar around the majors, the Masters series and the WTF, and they play in only a handful of ATP 500 and 250 events. Even the 500 events sometimes have very strong fields. Dubai is a good example. Every year it draws 8 or so of the 10 leading players.

The result is that for contemporary players "big" tournaments take up a significant proportion of their titles. Federer's 75 includes 17 majors, 6 WTF's and 20 Masters. Nadal's 50 includes 11 majors, one Olympic gold medal and 21 Masters. All of these are events in which virtually all the leading players participated. There are no divisions between amateur and pro ranks, no rival pro tours and no boycotts. In the past the leading players often did not play in the same events. That is also one reason why second-tier players such as del Potro, Ferrer, Soderling and Tsonga amass fewer titles than their predecessors did. Ferrer is a partial exception, because he plays in some small clay court events. Otherwise, however, you would normally have to beat two of Federer, Nadal or Djokovic in order to win a tournament. Not many players are capable of doing so. That is something to keep in mind when you hear the claim that there are not many champions around today. Today's leading players never boycott the Australian Open or Roland Garros and rarely miss even Masters events.

All of this has been pointed out before. Nevertheless, we still see the comparisons between the number of titles won by players in the 50's, 60's and 70's with those won by today's generation. That comparison is badly flawed.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Do you think, that it is possible for the players to play on a high enough level until they are 40 in order to compete for the biggest titles in today's tennis?

Hmmm, something to think about. With modern nutrition, sports medicine, physiotherapy, etc. it might be possible. Agassi played until he was about 35 and was sent out by a bad back. If his back was fine, how long could he have played at a high level? Could Federer play another 10 years at a high level? Maybe Serena W. could do it if she takes really good care of her body. Billie Jean King and Navratilova had long careers.
It took a special player like a Rosewall, Connors, or Gonzales to do it in the past, and players like Nadal, Courier, etc. who take a toll on their body when playing are not likely to be able to play that long.
It would take someone who is pretty easy on their body (Federer's movement - Agassi making the other guy do the running) and perhaps taking some breaks from the game (Gonzales, S. Williams, to some extent Agassi), but if someone is very lucky with injuries and has intense drive and desire (NEEDS to play despite all the riches), it might be possible.
 
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