Winning consecutive Grand Slams...

You said Nadal still has a significant lead despite Fed winning the last 5. I explained why.

This is getting silly. If you saw my other posts, I have stated that H2H should not be the determining factor in comparing two players, though it shouldn't be overlooked, either. (And perhaps, if two players have close to identical resumes, that could be a tiebreaker.) Rafa has always had the upper hand [h2h] versus Roger, though Roger in winning the last 5 has turned it from a lopsided 23-10 to a much more respectable 23-15.

I never talk about Roger skipping clay the last couple years to avoid Rafa or the various times he's lost in tournaments before meeting him, because I respect him and the game too much. But there's no way to spin it that Roger has had the upper hand on Rafa or even played him even over the years. Obviously, Roger's coming back from a break down in the 5th (AO 18) to win was huge, though. As for the "prime" argument, not yours, per se, with a 5-year age difference, it's likely there will be some matches when the older is in his "prime" but the other isn't there yet; when both are in their prime; and when one is prime and the other is past it. With these guys, it's even harder to define "prime" as especially Roger has been great for so long, and they both have head slight dips and setbacks along the way.

To me, it's fairly simple: The Big 3 are (arguably, and in my opinion) the best three male tennis players. Ever. They get it done in different ways, but their peak "values" are all very similar - a case could be made for all 3, with Djokovic, possibly, having the strongest case as the best player at his peak. Roger's resume boasts the most accomplishments right now, but he has 5 years on Rafa and 6 on Novak. So, of course, they've always been chasing him. To me, it's doubtful that Rafa and Novak will be playing as well as Fed has been at ages 36/37, but one can't count out any of these amazing champions. Heck, Roger loves the game so much, stays in remarkable shape, and his serve is still such a weapon that he might be winning majors at age 40/41.
 
WHY? What is that going to do for your ego? RF at 37 is still better than 99% of existing and retired players when they were at their peaks. But that is contributed to his genes, nothing else.
Means nothing. In fact, Novak has won all of his slams in the era of the two of the best players ever, that means a lot. We have seen what happened when Novak is away, and now we see what is happening when he is back.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with all the hours he puts in on the practice court and in the gym, right... :rolleyes:

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This is getting silly. If you saw my other posts, I have stated that H2H should not be the determining factor in comparing two players, though it shouldn't be overlooked, either. (And perhaps, if two players have close to identical resumes, that could be a tiebreaker.) Rafa has always had the upper hand [h2h] versus Roger, though Roger in winning the last 5 has turned it from a lopsided 23-10 to a much more respectable 23-15.

I never talk about Roger skipping clay the last couple years to avoid Rafa or the various times he's lost in tournaments before meeting him, because I respect him and the game too much. But there's no way to spin it that Roger has had the upper hand on Rafa or even played him even over the years. Obviously, Roger's coming back from a break down in the 5th (AO 18) to win was huge, though. As for the "prime" argument, not yours, per se, with a 5-year age difference, it's likely there will be some matches when the older is in his "prime" but the other isn't there yet; when both are in their prime; and when one is prime and the other is past it. With these guys, it's even harder to define "prime" as especially Roger has been great for so long, and they both have head slight dips and setbacks along the way.

To me, it's fairly simple: The Big 3 are (arguably, and in my opinion) the best three male tennis players. Ever. They get it done in different ways, but their peak "values" are all very similar - a case could be made for all 3, with Djokovic, possibly, having the strongest case as the best player at his peak. Roger's resume boasts the most accomplishments right now, but he has 5 years on Rafa and 6 on Novak. So, of course, they've always been chasing him. To me, it's doubtful that Rafa and Novak will be playing as well as Fed has been at ages 36/37, but one can't count out any of these amazing champions. Heck, Roger loves the game so much, stays in remarkable shape, and his serve is still such a weapon that he might be winning majors at age 40/41.
Rafa has avoided Fed way more than the other way round. Some recent USOs and skipping of clay is payback for the ridiculous clay skew back in the 2005-2010 period.
 
Wow, one Federer win in the last 20 meaningful matches between them. :eek: :D
The fact that the Federer fans have only this match as a some sort of an argument for the Federer BOATness over Djokovic makes me really sad:(.
Anyway it was big fluke, as history teach us afterwards.;)
Yeah big fluke, what with how the next USO and wimbledon encounters went... (USO was the real fluke, 2-0 up and double MP). RG was simply Federer overwhelming Djokovic with his superior all round game.

Federer needs no more argument for “BOAT”... he’s best at Wimbledon, USO (peak) and his best at AO can match anyone.
 
The H2H betwewn Nadal & Fed is all about surface. It's basically irrelevant.

If they met on grass it might matter more or fast hard.

2017 Shanghai with a 36 year old Fed tells you what would happen on fast hard.

So Nadal can't be beat on clay. Okay.
 
Rafa has avoided Fed way more than the other way round. Some recent USOs and skipping of clay is payback for the ridiculous clay skew back in the 2005-2010 period.

Great point. Nadal's whole MO over so many seasons was to sabotage his own chance of winning major tournaments, because he was scared of facing Federer. He knew that he would probably lose these all-important showdowns and that wise pundits like KINGROGER would note this on the Tennis Warehouse message board. And who could blame him. I mean, clay isn't even a legit surface but he wanted to use his ridiculous advantage on that silly surface to skew his apparent H2h stats with the untouchable Roger.
 
Great point. Nadal's whole MO over so many seasons was to sabotage his own chance of winning major tournaments, because he was scared of facing Federer. He knew that he would probably lose these all-important showdowns and that wise pundits like KINGROGER would note this on the Tennis Warehouse message board. And who could blame him. I mean, clay isn't even a legit surface but he wanted to use his ridiculous advantage on that silly surface to skew his apparent H2h stats with the untouchable Roger.
Your own words:

“I never talk about Roger skipping clay the last couple years to avoid Rafa or the various times he's lost in tournaments before meeting him”

Lol.
 
If we are talking about streaks in slams (and not simply adding them up) then the first thing to look at are wins, not reaching finals or semifinals. And the greatest winning streak in slams post Laver is Nole’s four in a row.

After you look at winning streaks you can then move on to reaching finals streaks. And there Fed is the clear leader.

And if we are talking about overall dominance against the field Nole has the most points ever. Fed never reached a dominance peak like Nole’s 18 months in 2015/16 because he couldn’t win as many masters (or didn’t care)

Pretty much agree. But just out of curiousity: Given that the points given at different tournaments have changed quite a bit since Fed's peak years; how many points would he be sitting on if we converted it to the current system? Do you know?
 
Consecutive slams won is a good marker for an all round game, because of the switching of surfaces

Consective slams may just be a marker of a streaky player, someone who can get hot for a few months (or just a month or so, for that matter) and then cools off. Borg won consecutive slams three times and I don't know that he was considered so much an "all around" player as a very solid backcourt player.
 
Pretty much agree. But just out of curiousity: Given that the points given at different tournaments have changed quite a bit since Fed's peak years; how many points would he be sitting on if we converted it to the current system? Do you know?

Djokovic had 16950 points, which is absolute tennis record, with 1200+ points more than Fed's could ever achieve.

Here is info you asked for, I found it in topic from few years ago, I believe it's correct:

Fed's 2006 season:
Qatar W: 250
AO W: 2000
Dubai F: 300
IW W: 1000
Miami W: 1000
MC F: 600
Rome F: 600
Hamburg (DNP): 0
FO F: 1200
Halle W: 250*
Wim W: 2000
Toronto W: 1000
Cincy R32: 45
USO W: 2000
Tokyo W: 500
Madrid W: 1000
Basel W: 250*
YEC W (undefeated): 1500
Total: 15495 points

Even if Basel is taken as a 500, which it became in 2009, it would be 15745.
 
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