Wise 2086 questions

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AJ1986

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Good Evening all,

Just pulled the trigger on wise 2086, ended up replacing my drop weight tensioner(gamma progression 602ii FC) with the 2086 using the standard dropweight adapter, doing this change the wise ends up sitting a bit below the string bed not too much but enough where the string is getting pulled down a bit instead of straight, I seen other have this setup and end up keeping it as it gives them 360 rotation.

I did my first string job using pretty soft string and I noticed half way through the strining that there were little notches all over the string, this was extremely soft string and I have not had the chance to test with other string yet but it seems like the notches were created by the wise pulling the string down. Do you think I need to raise the wise to be even with the string bed to avoid the pulldown to remove notches? Or maybe with most string I should not see this even with the wise being a bit lower than the stringbed. Does the distance from the diablo and table matter too much? Also I noticed the string gripper leaves a decent mark on the string every pull, should this be adjusted or ignored for the most part? Lastly is there a procedure with pulling the string and tension? sometimes when I go to pull the string the grippers dont grip unless I push the level close to the edge it seems like if the string comes up even a little it dosent grip it(this might be just a rookie use move as i just started using it and not too comfortable with it yet)

Any and all suggestions and answers are greatly appreciated, thank you in advance.
 
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You could try wrapping the string around the diablo 2 times before placing it in the gripper.
 
I am currently going around the diablo once clockwise, I will try twice, I can take a picture and post but the setup is super similar if not identical to this, my wise might be a bit closer than to the mount but I would have to measure even if so it would be a negligible distance I think.

https://imgur.com/a/wFAPflY
 
Try to identify the exact point where the string is getting notched. I could be the gripper, clamps, or the diablo. After your very first pull feel the string where it was gripped by the gripper plates And where it’s wrapped around the diablo.
 
The only thing that changed was the tensioner the clamps and tightness are the same. The notches seem to happen further in the stringing process when I start the crosses, it seems when the crosses are pulled against the mains its biting into the string(when pulling down the crosses go a bit into the edges of the mains) The gripper does leave a mark where it grips the string to pull but its natural string and very soft so easy to mark, I have not tried with more rigid string or anything besides natural string yet.
 
You may be notching you string in the weaving process. You may try:
  • Weave one ahead with the next cross you will tension pullind up against the last tensioned cross
  • When you weave one ahead pull most of the string through fanning as you slowly pull. Fan the string as close to the last tensioned cross as you ca. The farther the fanning goes toward the throat the harder the weave is on the mains
  • After tensioning a cross pull the cross through fanning nearer the throat as the weave closer to the last tensioned cross is a hard weave
 
A hard weave is when the cross goes over a high string, and under low strings. You need to understand how the cross is traversing the mains and reduce friction as much as possible. Many soft string have a high coefficient if friction. you Need to reduce friction as much as possible. Fanning and knowing the positions of mains is important.

EDIT: Lubrication can help but it’s a double edged sword. Lubrication can get into you clamps, gripper, and all over you machine. Although lubrication can help I would advise against it.
 
Thank you for all the suggestions, I will try all of these in the next string job and let you know, its just odd because the only thing that has changed in my process is the tensioner,(first time using electric only uses drop weight and crank) I did not notice or have any notches or issues before, thats why i was leaning towards maybe the heights of the tensioner being the issue but it might be the way I am stringing and maybe the electric tensioner is showing that? I usually soft weave the crosses but I did leave alot of the slack unpulled in the job with the notches, I will definitely try to pull through and fan and leave less when pulling the crosses.
 
If you have any friends that string ask them to watch you and give you some tips. Make a video of how you start and tension your crosses.
 
AJ1986 said:
Thank you for all the suggestions, I will try all of these in the next string job and let you know, its just odd because the only thing that has changed in my process is the tensioner,(first time using electric only uses drop weight and crank) I did not notice or have any notches or issues before, thats why i was leaning towards maybe the heights of the tensioner being the issue but it might be the way I am stringing and maybe the electric tensioner is showing that? I usually soft weave the crosses but I did leave alot of the slack unpulled in the job with the notches, I will definitely try to pull through and fan and leave less when pulling the crosses.
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Before you had a DW and an eCP will string tighter. Try dropping you tension 5%. All CPs are not the same.
 
@AJ1986,

I did send you a private message last night, but I don't think you've noticed the notification.
Check your "Conversation" inbox.
 
Hi Wes, thank you, I did not notice the message icon, will look at it now. Irvin appreciate all the helpful feedback will try and get some video soonish. I should mention I am primarily stringing racquetball racquets dunno if that matters.
 
AJ1986 said:
I should mention I am primarily stringing racquetball racquets dunno if that matters.
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Although it could be something involving the racquetball frame, I would be inclined to doubt that.
By chance, was it an Ektelon O-port frame?

Like you, I think the issue more likely lies in something with the Wise tensioner set-up itself (rather than your weaving, etc. which has been a constant prior to you introducing the Wise into the mix).
 
It's possible that the Wise jaws/gripper is adjusted too tight, BUT that seems
unlikely as they are usually set up pretty well from the start.

I'd be contacting Dan Martinez at Wise to discuss your issue.

As I recall, there were some issues awhile back with some of the tensioner "plates"/jaws.
I believe someone here had them replaced to good effect. Perhaps your machine came
from the same batch?
 
Wes said:
Although it could be something involving the racquetball frame, I would be inclined to doubt that.
By chance, was it an Ektelon O-port frame?

Like you, I think the issue more likely lies in something with the Wise tensioner set-up itself (rather than your weaving, etc. which has been a constant prior to you introducing the Wise into the mix).
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Not an ektelon, it was a gearbox racquet single string job
 
@aAJ1986 , Just listen to Wes on how to adjust the gripper jaws for the optimal pressure. Also, I found out that some breaking in of the jaws helps as well. Still, my stock NEOS crank gripper jaws never needed adjusting to prevent too much or too little gripper jaw pressure.
 
No matter how I adjusted the gripper on my Wise, it would always leave teeth marks. I contacted Dan and was able to get a new set with finer striations. That was back in May of last year, so I would assume all new ones are being produced with the newer jaws.
 
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I ran into the same thing as @kdm711. Bought a wise and tried all the recommendations from above to get it to not leave marks in the string. Nothing worked other than putting a business card in the gripper, even that didn't fully resolve it but made it more reasonable. I finally reached out to Dan and had the gripper plates replaced. Since then it has not been an issue.
 
@kdm711 , what version of the Wise do you have 14 or 12 or....?

I ordered and extra gripper. My plan is to use some double stick tape and some Zircon covered knife sharpener belts I have for my 72" belt knife sharpner cut to size to see if I can totally eliminate any "teeth" marks. That is unless the new gripper has smaller teeth than the gripper I already have.
 
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@kdm711 , what version of the Wise do you have 14 or 12 or....?

I ordered and extra gripper. My plan is to use some double stick tape and some Zircon covered knife sharpener belts I have for my 72" belt knife sharpner cut to size to see if I can totally eliminate any "teeth" marks. That is unless the new gripper has smaller teeth than the gripper I already have.
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Mine was a Series 14 I purchased directly from Dan back in Feb 2021.
 
@kdem711 , well then maybe the gripper I just purchased from ********** will be one with smaller "teeth" and my experiment will be unnecessary. I have a series 14 as well. I think I got mine in 2020 or late 2019.
 
I purchased mine in January of 21 with the bad grippers. I did a ton of research on this forum before reaching out and saw a lot of instances of people saying there was bite mark issues and several other people saying it was normal and acceptable. I’m far from picky but never understood that mentality as my crank wasn’t absolutely destroying my string like the wise was. Lots of bad advice to be frank. Though I want to give tons of credit to @Wes for jumping on a zoom at the time and helping out. Anyways it’s resolved now but for anyone later on reading this, I would say if it’s leaving noticeable bite marks in your string it’s not normal/acceptable behavior. Ignore the advice to wrap it around your diabolo multiple times etc and just reach out to wise.
 
I got the new Wise gripper and it definitely has less aggressive "teeth" than the original gripper I got with my Wise. Bring on the blue and pink Multifeel!
 
Just to update the post, ended up being the string I was using,(super soft string) beyond easy to mark up, this isnt string I regurarly string with. It was a cheap reel I picked up and the intent was to use it for testing, I have strung few racquets with other string and have not ran into the issue since. Thank you everybody for the help and a big thanks to Wes for going above and beyond with helping me resolve this, extremely knowledgeable and helpful.
 
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