Wise 2086 Review

[barry]

Over the last month I have been debating whether to upgrade my current machine or purchase a complete replacement. The current machine is accurate and easy to use, but after stringing a lot of rackets, my left thumb has been bothering me. Often I get my hand to close to the crank lever and when it snaps it can bruise your hand (bad stringing technique, but hard habit to break).
Based on my requirements, I purchased a Wise 2086. Here is the rationale for my decision
1. Room for 1 stringing machine in my home
2. Need a backup.
3. $1200 budget
4. 2 year warranty verses 1 year on integrated machines
5. Repair, much simpler to ship, then packing up an entire machine
6. Modular design can separate components, not locked into a single vendor
7. Eliminate the sore thumb
8. Simpler to upgrade. Remove the Wise re-install on new machine
9. Machines under $500 sell much faster than over $500. Easier to upgrade

Considered the following machines:
1. Aria - $1600 out of my budget, plus I do not like rotational grippers
2. Eagnas 3800 - $759, nice machine, but I do not like rotational grippers or the 6 knob mounting system
3. Eagnas 6000 - $899, best fit, but has a Diablo, 1 speed motor, and bad location for tension button plus the 6 knob mounting system
4. SP DG – $999 decent machine, but clamps need upgrading $150, plus rotation gripper is not for me.

Back in November of 2005, I purchased a Wise 2086 and integrated it on a drop weight system. Used it for 3 months, and ended up selling the unit mainly because of the implementation on the drop weight system. Three months later, I purchased a crank upright machine to replace the drop weight, but already sold the Wise unit.
Last Wednesday, I contacted **********.com and spoke directly with Herb Wise about a unit. He was cordial and professional, just like the last purchase and shipped out a unit which arrived for Valentines Day.
Between the original 2086 and the new Wise 2086 tensioner, 2 things have changed. The gripper (http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4750/grippervv3.jpg) looks a little different with larger roller bearings plus the gripper adjustment screw is located differently, and the motor is a little quieter. The new unit has a logo (http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7174/logohu3.jpg); don’t remember if it was on the old one.
The Wise 2086 (http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3196/wiseunitlo8.jpg) now ships with the mounting bracket detached and in a smaller box. In about 3 minutes, I assembled the bracket (tools were provided) and removed the old crank. Installed the Wise on my Eagnas 925 http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6545/925hk8.jpg) and tighten it down. Plugged in the 2 cables (power and the foot pedal) and turned it on. It self calibrated and came up at 70 pounds. I decided to calibrate the 2086 using the digital fish scale, it was right on. Also tried an experiment disabling constant pull to see what both scales would show. The tension dropped 2 pounds, and never went back to the desired mark (So I guess CP is real). Then re-enabled CP and the tension was constant and in line with the fish scale and at the desired settings.
Pre-stretch works exactly like my first Wise. You set the percentage and it pulls to the calculated value and automatically drops back to your selected tension. I seldom use pre-stretch; it takes a couple seconds longer and in the past produces a very tight string bed.
I usually set the Wise to speed 2, 1 is a little slow, and 3 is pretty fast. It stores all your current settings and when powered up, comes up with the last settings.
I strung a couple of frames, and am spoiled again. The crank is pretty simple to use, but the button (plus foot pedal) really takes the craftsmanship out of stringing. You get the same results every time, plus no thumb issue.
One issue is the alignment of the gripper, it is about 1/2 inch lower than horizontal, but I do not see any difference in tension. It calibrates right on the mark. The difference is due to the suspension mounting system raises the racket about1/2 inch. I think LittleElvis has a similar issue, and it is inherit to suspension mounting or a new consideration for Wise.
I plan on stringing my rackets this week, so can’t comment on tension (better or worse), but at this point I can say the Wise like most electronic tensioners are idiot proof. I can see why many shops are going electronic, hard to screw up a string job, and you can use part time help.
My next upgrade will be a new machine, not for a while but if volume picks up, will be purchasing something like this: http://www.eagnas.com/plus6500.html it has the best and fastest mounting system and a perfect fit for my budget. Considered the 6004, but at $1200 a little pricey for me. When I upgrade, all I will do is install the Wise on the new machine, a big plus for migration.

All this for a sore thumb, my wife does not believe it!

 

[wally]

Barry,

Thanks for the review. We're thinking of getting one for our Prince Neos.

If you don't mind me asking what was your total bill including shipping for the Wise unit?

 

[yourname1245]

how much was the head if you don't mind me asking

 

[barry]

Wise 2086 was $495
Foot pedal 39.95
Shipping 22.50

Total $557.45


Kind of pricey, but I like the modularity and it seems to work!

 

[theace21]

Barry,

Nice review. I have had mine for exactly 2 years and it is a great investment. I put mine on a Ektelon Model H, I have debated upgrading the machine several times over the past couple of years. It is nice to know that I can easily move the Wise to a new machine. Also I like the ability to use the crank, even if the power goes out, I can string (rotating blackouts around here during the summer).

I just wish they include the foot pedal, it makes such a huge difference...Those that want to save a few bucks, might not get it. It is huge to have both hands free.

 

[barry]

Barry,

Nice review. I have had mine for exactly 2 years and it is a great investment. I put mine on a Ektelon Model H, I have debated upgrading the machine several times over the past couple of years. It is nice to know that I can easily move the Wise to a new machine. Also I like the ability to use the crank, even if the power goes out, I can string (rotating blackouts around here during the summer).

I just wish they include the foot pedal, it makes such a huge difference...Those that want to save a few bucks, might not get it. It is huge to have both hands free.

Yes it is a bit pricey, but I think Herb is down in the Rodeo drive area, right in Beverly Hills. Just kidding, but if you do the numbers it is priced about right. Portability is worth something. In my case I need a single machine solution, and do not want to be out a machine for 2 to 3 weeks being repaired.

In many cases it is like buying or building your PC. If you buy one, most of the time they skimp on something. If you order it with a gig of memory they will put 2 512 stick in it, making it hard to expand. Video, case, and disk usually falls into the same category. You either get stuck with IDE instead of SATA, or a poor quality case. I build my own computers, because I can pick and chose the parts and am not locked into a single vendor. To bad the stringing machine industry has not adopted more standards. It would be nice to order a set of clamps and they universally fit your machine, rather than paying the higher markup on some named brands. Proprietary products are good for vendors, but not consumers.

I have to say I am enjoying the new tensioner / machine and the boss (wife) says it time for some new furniture.

 

[Cruzer]

From the photos it looks like you still have 360 degree rotation but I guess that explains why the gripper is below horizontal. When I added the Wise to my Gamma ST II I also bought the adapter to raise the unit to give it a straight pull. I lost the 360 degree rotation but overall it was the best thing to do.

 

[LttlElvis]

Barry,

What do you think of the overall build quality? Personally, I thought it was a little too plasticky. The buttons can be better. Sometimes they stick a little. My control panel was very slightly peeling at one edge. Maybe I am being to picky. Perhaps different button controls would raise the price.

However, overall I get incredibly consistent results. The sound and feel of my racquets are identical and I no longer have a favorite racquet among identical racquets.

I would recommend this for people who love their current crank machines and want some portablility like you said. it's a good add on to people who have machines like a Prince Neos. I do think it is priced fairly and appropriately.

My next stringer is between an Alpha Apex II and Gamma 6004. Leaning towards the Alpha since Gammas need an adaptor ($45) for the Wise Tension Head.

Have you physically seen the Eagnas Plus 6500 yet? Looks like a nice Alpha clone.

 

[jayserinos99]

Hi Barry, great review. I have a NEOS and have thought about adding the Wise 2086 a while back but was scared off by some of the bad reviews. Can you update us some time later after you've strung a good number of frames and let us know what you encounter with your new Wise unit? Thanks!

 

[leftygun]

LittlElvis,

Did you get your machine yet? I am looking at the same two machines you are. Alpha said the Apex 2 won't be available for about another month. They said they sold a few earlier, but production is very slow right now. I have been trying to get feedback from those who have these machines (Apex 2 and Gamma 6004) as well as feedback regarding the Diablo used on the Gamma.

Interested to know what you have found out so far and if you got a machine yet. I haven't considered a Wise system, so the adaptor is not a concern for me, at lest not for now.

Thanks

 

[barry]

Barry,

What do you think of the overall build quality? Personally, I thought it was a little too plasticky. The buttons can be better. Sometimes they stick a little. My control panel was very slightly peeling at one edge. Maybe I am being to picky. Perhaps different button controls would raise the price.

However, overall I get incredibly consistent results. The sound and feel of my racquets are identical and I no longer have a favorite racquet among identical racquets.

I would recommend this for people who love their current crank machines and want some portablility like you said. it's a good add on to people who have machines like a Prince Neos. I do think it is priced fairly and appropriately.

My next stringer is between an Alpha Apex II and Gamma 6004. Leaning towards the Alpha since Gammas need an adaptor ($45) for the Wise Tension Head.

Have you physically seen the Eagnas Plus 6500 yet? Looks like a nice Alpha clone.

Personally, I think the quality is good. My control panel has a metal plate on the front which holds everything in place. Can’t remember if the old did or not. No sticking on any buttons yet. The motor is less noisy than the old one. When did you purchase your Wise? Does it have the turquoise metal plate on the front? I don’t remember seeing the System 10 either, but it has been a while. http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3196/wiseunitlo8.jpg

I have not seen the 6500, but it has been out for a while longer than the Apex II. So can’t comment on who cloned who. Probably both designed and built by the same company, but that is another discussion. I just want a machine which has an easier mounting system, and holds tension, whose name is on it I could care less.

I assume the Apex II will be in the $800 range, which is a decent price, but so far Eagnas has met or exceeded my requirements. I do like the 6004, but after the discussion on using a Diablo, decided to pass. Trying to keep things simple, I do not want to wrap string around anything just keep it in a straight line works for me. The $45 adaptor is an issue, but a bigger issue is replacement cost for clamps. I usually change clamps after 500 to 700 rackets, and the current price is $40 each. Gamma and Alpha are twice that, plus I like the 3 tooth better than the 5 tooth.

 

[barry]

Hi Barry, great review. I have a NEOS and have thought about adding the Wise 2086 a while back but was scared off by some of the bad reviews. Can you update us some time later after you've strung a good number of frames and let us know what you encounter with your new Wise unit? Thanks!

Yes will do an update in a couple of months, hopefully I will not be trashing the Wise!

 

[leftygun]

According to Mark from Alpha, the Apex 2 with be around $995 and will have the three tooth clamps. The only negative I've heard about the diablos is some don't like the extra step, but seems negligible to me. I heard the diablo is helpful,not only for consistency, but easier on strings such as gut and greatly reduces "ghosting". Most of the higher end machines have the diablo, including electric Alpha's. I think Babolot was the first and wanted to be "gut" friendly to their famous strings.

 

[jayserinos99]

Yes will do an update in a couple of months, hopefully I will not be trashing the Wise!

If you do, let me know...I'd be very interested in trying out the Wise! =)

 

[barry]

According to Mark from Alpha, the Apex 2 with be around $995 and will have the three tooth clamps. The only negative I've heard about the diablos is some don't like the extra step, but seems negligible to me. I heard the diablo is helpful,not only for consistency, but easier on strings such as gut and greatly reduces "ghosting". Most of the higher end machines have the diablo, including electric Alpha's. I think Babolot was the first and wanted to be "gut" friendly to their famous strings.

There was a thread at http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=115294 and not sure who to believe. But I do know the Wise does not use a Diablo. Like rotational grippers, some like them others don't. I just do not like looping string. Glad to here Alpha updated their clamps, the old ones were tight stringing dense patterns.

 

[LttlElvis]

Barry,

I have had my Wise since April 2006. I do not have the turquoise panel. Mine is light grey. Not metal. It is a nice quiet machine. Very very consistent results. Really no problems with my machine. Overall I would say the build quality is good, but not excellent. I really didn't know what more to expect. It is a nice simple compact design.

As stated previously by Leftygun, the Apex II is $995 and not available. I have been calling every couple of weeks to check. I look at the Eagnas site all the time and for some reason I never noticed the Eagnas Plus 6500. Looks pretty good. You stated it has been around longer than the Apex II. Perhaps it is a clone of the Apex I.

 

[barry]

Barry,

I have had my Wise since April 2006. I do not have the turquoise panel. Mine is light grey. Not metal. It is a nice quiet machine. Very very consistent results. Really no problems with my machine. Overall I would say the build quality is good, but not excellent. I really didn't know what more to expect. It is a nice simple compact design.

As stated previously by Leftygun, the Apex II is $995 and not available. I have been calling every couple of weeks to check. I look at the Eagnas site all the time and for some reason I never noticed the Eagnas Plus 6500. Looks pretty good. You stated it has been around longer than the Apex II. Perhaps it is a clone of the Apex I.

I think someone mentioned earlier (Hearsay) something about the mounting system being designed and built by Porex, who knows or really cares about the origin. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=79811&highlight=porex
The Wise turquoise panel must be a new enhancement, it is very solid and Herb did mention they changed motor suppliers.

Strung a couple more rackets today, and it is a keeper!

 

[Netgame]

This thread is very interesting. I stopped thinking about the 2086 after reading all the complaints, but you make it sound great. Please keep us posted about your results.

Do you have to reduce the amount of tension on the 2086 to match the tension of jobs done by your old crank, since it's CP?

 

[LttlElvis]

Do you have to reduce the amount of tension on the 2086 to match the tension of jobs done by your old crank, since it's CP?

Yes. I use Babolat VS gut for myself and there was a significant difference. Mainly due to the constant pull and the elasticity of gut. I told all the people I string for that I was now using an electronic stringer and they may want to reduce the tension by 5%. Most said no, and they actually liked the firmer string bed.

 

[theace21]

Yes. I use Babolat VS gut for myself and there was a significant difference. Mainly due to the constant pull and the elasticity of gut. I told all the people I string for that I was now using an electronic stringer and they may want to reduce the tension by 5%. Most said no, and they actually liked the firmer string bed.

Funny, I did the same thing when I bought my Wise 2 years ago. I told them, and suggested a small drop in tension. Most said, Just leave it and I will decide later...Most keep the tension. Go figure...

 

[Steve Huff]

Barry, nice job. I really like the new color too. I got blue. It didn't match my "Alpha blue", but it still looks good. Not only is it portable, but if something does ever happen to go wrong, and you're in a pinch, all you have to do is take it off and slip the crank back on. If you've only got room for one machine, you've basically got a backup. Mine calibrated perfectly too.

 

[barry]

From the photos it looks like you still have 360 degree rotation but I guess that explains why the gripper is below horizontal. When I added the Wise to my Gamma ST II I also bought the adapter to raise the unit to give it a straight pull. I lost the 360 degree rotation but overall it was the best thing to do.

Once the racket is mounted, I did lose 360 rotations, maybe a 1/4 inch off. I put the Fish scale on and checked the tension; it was right on, so not sure the gripper being 1/2 inch low is going to be an issue. Also I read where you can move the Wise unit away from the stringer, and reduce the angle on the gripper. I have not tried it, and the longer string between the racket and gripper could be an issue. LittlElvis posted the Wise adaptor ($45) raises the unit 2 inches that would be too high for my implementation.

My unit is working fine as is. And calibrating confirmed my implementation. I would love to have 360 again, but maybe next generation.

 

[barry]

Barry, nice job. I really like the new color too. I got blue. It didn't match my "Alpha blue", but it still looks good. Not only is it portable, but if something does ever happen to go wrong, and you're in a pinch, all you have to do is take it off and slip the crank back on. If you've only got room for one machine, you've basically got a backup. Mine calibrated perfectly too.

Thanks

I have gone from a drop weight to a Wise implementation on a drop weight machine, then to crank, and back to Wise implementation on a crank machine, all in little over a year. For me, the Wise is the easiest method of tensioning. Do not string the volume you do, but so far no complaints.

Do you have backup machines? I have not found the need so far, once in a while on my old drop weight machine (every 300 to 400 rackets) a clutch spring would pop, but otherwise nothing to warrant purchasing a backup machine. Part was shipped in 3 days, so not an issue.

I looked into the down time on integrated machines, and it would be a minimum of 2 weeks, and often in the 3 weeks time frame. Plus packing and shipping (one way) would cost more than shipping round trip to Wise. With the new Wise packaging, you simply detach the mounting bracket and pack it in the supplied foam box. Pretty simple, but hope never need too.

 

[T.J. Planas]

Barry,

You may still be able to get 360 degrees of rotation. Can you not put spacers (maybe washers) below the turntable to raise it the 1/4 of an inch you need? I've done this with some cranks before and it worked like a charm.

-T.J.

 

[LttlElvis]

On my machine, I never did loose 360 degree rotation. The gripper just barely clears the racquet. Also I mounted the tension head as far from the table as possible. I have checked with both the digital and traditional callibrators and they are right on.

http://www.photostringer.com/images/Eagnas_Hawk_061116-025.jpg

One small issue I had was I never felt the one mounting screw to be stable enough to prevent forward movement of the whole unit. It did slip on me once. Simple solution was a hardward C clamp ($5) on the tensioning rail.

http://www.photostringer.com/images/Eagnas_Hawk_061116-041.jpg

 

[T.J. Planas]

Yeah, I had the slipping problem once too. I just took of the gear track and used one of the bolt holes as a place to thread in a bolt for the wise mount to rest against.

-T.J.

 

[JetFlyr]

Barry,

Let me know if you decide the new WISE is not for you. Maybe we can work something out. :grin:

 

[barry]

Barry,

Let me know if you decide the new WISE is not for you. Maybe we can work something out. :grin:

Na! This one is staying. I have strung about 20 rackets so far and the Wise is a real pleasure to use. String time is under 30 minutes for the 16 x 18 patterns. Tension is right on, very consistent.

Migrating from a drop weight table top to an upright machine was a major improvement. Then moving to a Wise has made stringing even better. Overall I am very pleased and for the second time, Wise gets my endorsement.

Are you using pre-stretch? How is your (my former Wise) setup working out for you? The new one is pretty much the same other than the motor is a bit quieter.

Oh, well off to the tennis courts, 67 degrees no wind, perfect tennis weather here in Florida!

 

[JetFlyr]

I have used the pre-stretch function only a couple of times. I don't remember what setting, probably 10% when I was stringing natural guy for one of my players. I really see no use for it except for natural gut.

A feature I have never used is the lockout mode. None of the guys I string for really knows the difference, and many don't know what kind of machine their racquets were formerly done on before they started coming to me. I can't see using it when constant pull is so much more controllable.

Your old unit is working perfectly, and pairing it with the Eagnas Flex 940 produced a nice, reasonably price machine that give me reliable, consistent results.

Oh, how I envy your weather, Barry. When I was in MCO a few weeks ago, it rained the whole time! It's indoor season where I am.

I have four frames two string tonight. Two of them are mine. I'll be trying some of these new samples Pro Supex sent. I've heard good things about them.

I really liked the Gosen Polylon SP 17 you sent me. If the Pro Supex stuff doesn't work out, I'll probably get a reel of the Polylon SP.

 

[barry]

I have used the pre-stretch function only a couple of times. I don't remember what setting, probably 10% when I was stringing natural guy for one of my players. I really see no use for it except for natural gut.

A feature I have never used is the lockout mode. None of the guys I string for really knows the difference, and many don't know what kind of machine their racquets were formerly done on before they started coming to me. I can't see using it when constant pull is so much more controllable.

Your old unit is working perfectly, and pairing it with the Eagnas Flex 940 produced a nice, reasonably price machine that give me reliable, consistent results.

Oh, how I envy your weather, Barry. When I was in MCO a few weeks ago, it rained the whole time! It's indoor season where I am.

I have four frames two string tonight. Two of them are mine. I'll be trying some of these new samples Pro Supex sent. I've heard good things about them.

I really liked the Gosen Polylon SP 17 you sent me. If the Pro Supex stuff doesn't work out, I'll probably get a reel of the Polylon SP.

I don't use the pre-stretch either, and leave my machine set on constant pull. The Gosen Polylon SP 17 is really great string; best poly I have ever used. Another string getting rave reviews is the new Tecnifibre Pro Red Code 17. Several players I know report it is better than the Gosen. Softer and more feel. I thought I would give them couple weeks, and then ask again before stocking it. Many times in the past, the uniqueness only lasts a week or two, and the same players go back to Gosen. Technifibre is one of the best string makers, but I have not used their products recently.

Before I switched to the Nsix-One (16x18), I used polylon SP 17 on my Surges and Npro’s, it worked pretty well, but the Npro overall was a little light for my game, and I needed some mass for the hard court season. I recently got a good deal on 60 sets of PSGD 16, at under $2.00 a set, so have been using it. The PSGD last about 2 weeks and plays decent. I string it at 51 pounds, and usually replace it before it breaks. Overall PSGD is cheap and suites my game. The Polylon 17 lasted about a month, then broke in my frames.

So far the Wise is a keeper, no complaints at all and my stringing time is under 30 minutes a racket.

 

[JetFlyr]

Barry,

I recently tried some Pro Supex Poly Power Soft 17g. I honestly believe that it's exactly the same stuff as the Gosen SP, but if you're a stringer, you can get it at wholesale prices and it's cheaper than the Gosen. You should look into this deal. (Polyon SP and Poly PS -- letters are awfully close, too!)

It felt very good, very soft for a poly. I also tried their Big Ace in red color, 17g. It felt very good, too, although considerably different than the Poly Power Soft. The best was to describe the Big Ace is "sharp." It makes quite a sound striking the ball, and generates a TON of spin.

 

[barry]

Hi Barry, great review. I have a NEOS and have thought about adding the Wise 2086 a while back but was scared off by some of the bad reviews. Can you update us some time later after you've strung a good number of frames and let us know what you encounter with your new Wise unit? Thanks!

After couple of months stringing with the Wise, it is still working great. No issues whatever, have done a lot of rackets, and re-checked the calibration several times; it is always within 1/10 of a pound. I do not use the foot pedal; to me it is somewhat useless. The tension bar works better.
So far, have used the pre-stretch twice, but I don’t like the additional 5 second per string time. Plus it made the string bed play tighter. You might as well add 5 pounds to your tension and accomplish the same thing. I complete most of my frames in less than 30 minutes, with no customer complaints. In fact, business is picking up, and most of the new customers are interested in hybrids.
Overall my setup $557 for the Wise 2086 and $475 for the Eagnas 925 continues to work well. No complaints. The 925 has been a work horse and continues to be one of my best investments. Zero problems, cheap under $500, and will not be replacing it for another 2000 or so frames.
Overall I am very satisfied with the 2086 and my Eagnas 925 machine! Wise gets my endorsement and has met or exceeded my expectations.

 

[theace21]

Great follow-up, but I have to disagree with the foot pedal. I think it makes a huge difference, I like having both hands free. Took a while to get used to it, but I am glad I spent the extra $50. I wish Herb included it instead of charging extra.

 

[barry]

Great follow-up, but I have to disagree with the foot pedal. I think it makes a huge difference, I like having both hands free. Took a while to get used to it, but I am glad I spent the extra $50. I wish Herb included it instead of charging extra.

I have the foot pedal, but the tension bar is 3 inches long and right under the linear gripper, so pressing it is simpler for me than dealing with a foot pedal. The string is already in the gripper so all you have to do is drop it down using one hand. Maybe I need to get use to it!
Big auction site has a wise for sale for $250, nice value with a 100% feedback.

 

[flash9]

How I had used the Foot Pedal

I have the foot pedal, but the tension bar is 3 inches long and right under the linear gripper, so pressing it is simpler for me than dealing with a foot pedal. The string is already in the gripper so all you have to do is drop it down using one hand. Maybe I need to get use to it!
Big auction site has a wise for sale for $250, nice value with a 100% feedback.

Barry - As you know I have moved on to the Star5, but when I had the WISE 2086 I would use the tension activation bar for tensioning, and the foot pedal for release. Once I would touch the tension bar to tension a string, my hands would move to the string bed to make finally adjustments to ensure the strings are strait and to clamp the string, then with my foot, I hit the release and my hands have already moved to locating the end of the string for the next main or begin weaving the cross. I initially missed this when we moved to the Star5, but all of the other features of the Star5 make it so I do not regret the change.

 

[jayserinos99]

I will receive my Wise unit sometime next week hopefully. I will attach it to my Neos and report back as soon as I string some frames on it.

 

[jayserinos99]

I finally had time to string up a PT630 with Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17 at 56 lbs with 10% prestretch and no constant pull. Time-wise I feel I can go quicker with the old crank mechanism but I wasn't interested in time but in consistency. The Wise enables all sorts of options depending on what I need it for. The only minor concern so far (and I may be a little too nitpicky) is that there's only one screw holding down the mechanism to the Neos and there's a gap between the Wise and Neos; I wonder if it's feasible to add on another screw or some filler material to hold the Wise in place?

 

[LttlElvis]

I finally had time to string up a PT630 with Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17 at 56 lbs with 10% prestretch and no constant pull. Time-wise I feel I can go quicker with the old crank mechanism but I wasn't interested in time but in consistency. The Wise enables all sorts of options depending on what I need it for. The only minor concern so far (and I may be a little too nitpicky) is that there's only one screw holding down the mechanism to the Neos and there's a gap between the Wise and Neos; I wonder if it's feasible to add on another screw or some filler material to hold the Wise in place?

I went to the hardware store and put a C clamp ($5) on the arm to prevent forward movement. Why didn't you use constant pull ?


http://www.photostringer.com/images/Eagnas_Hawk_061116-041.jpg

 

[jayserinos99]

^ Thanks for the tip, I'll make a pit stop at Home Depot to pick up a C-Clamp. As for not using constant pull, I've been stringing my racquets on my Neos and not on a drop weight for a while now so I've been used to that feel. Maybe with the next racquet I string for myself I'll go with constant pull and see if its really that much of a difference maker.

 

[barry]

My Wise has never slipped. The bar it is mounted on is 2 inches, and I keep it close to the stringer base. I think LttlElvis has his further back. Maybe mounting it closer pulls up instead of back and forth.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6208/dsc02470pr4.jpg

I now have 360 rotations, added 4 washers in the bearing base plate and it works with any grip under 4 3/4.

 

[LttlElvis]

Barry,

I keep the C clamp on mine for peace of mind more than anything else. I also mounted mine against the little screw on the back of the rail.

The reason I mounted mine as far away as possible (which really is probably only a couple of inches difference anyway) is because I had always been told on cranks, you want to get the gripper as far as possible for the most accuracy. It's most likely a non issue. I calibrated my Wise at this distance and it is good. I also keep it as far away as possible to get best chance of 360 rotation.

 

[lecter255]

From the photos it looks like you still have 360 degree rotation but I guess that explains why the gripper is below horizontal. When I added the Wise to my Gamma ST II I also bought the adapter to raise the unit to give it a straight pull. I lost the 360 degree rotation but overall it was the best thing to do.

wait, just to make sure i understand correctly, an adapter will enable straight pull? cuz if so i am definitely getting one with the Wise.

 

[LttlElvis]

wait, just to make sure i understand correctly, an adapter will enable straight pull? cuz if so i am definitely getting one with the Wise.

Lecter,

There is an adaptor($45) for the Wise but it is only for Gamma machines because the tensioning arm is at a different height from other machines.

 

[lecter255]

Lecter,

There is an adaptor($45) for the Wise but it is only for Gamma machines because the tensioning arm is at a different height from other machines.

aww poo. i was gonna get the revo 4000. o well guess 360 rotation is good too. pulling a bit downwards is ok. afterall even Sensors pull down a bit.

 

[jayserinos99]

Well, I haven't had much time to string in bulk lately but I must say that the Wise grows on me more and more. I've strung up 6 frames so far (not a big number I know) and each time I string on the Wise it gets easier...not to mention that the foot pedal definitely is a blessing.

 

[barry]

Well, I haven't had much time to string in bulk lately but I must say that the Wise grows on me more and more. I've strung up 6 frames so far (not a big number I know) and each time I string on the Wise it gets easier...not to mention that the foot pedal definitely is a blessing.

It does make stringing easier. For kick's I put the crank back on, and did a racket, only 1 and said no more. It seemed rather crude after using the Wise. Springs and counter weighs have had their day, but they are not for me.

On my setup, I have constant pull on, speed at 2, and no pre-stretch, since pre-stretch takes 5 seconds longer per string. Also added 4 washers on the bearing base on my Eagnas and now get 360 rotations with grip sizes less than 4 1/2.

I hooked!

 

[barry]

Barry,

You may still be able to get 360 degrees of rotation. Can you not put spacers (maybe washers) below the turntable to raise it the 1/4 of an inch you need? I've done this with some cranks before and it worked like a charm.

-T.J.

Forgot to say thanks, the wahser idea worked perfect!

 

[T.J. Planas]

No problem, Barry. I'm glad to help.

-T.J.

 

[David123]

so how is the wise 2086 working so far?

 

[Zhou]

Please don't resurrect old threads. Try to make 1 thread that contains multiple questions that you have instead of multiple threads of single questions.

As far as the wise goes I would say many people have had great experiences with them. The quality of the wise is relatively good. Others may know more as i do not personally own a Wise 2086.