tennisman917
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Can anyone tell me if the Wise 2086 is a good tensioner or not?
Love mine!Can anyone tell me if the Wise 2086 is a good tensioner or not?
I imagine you're the only person who has ever run into that limitation.Love mine!
Only complaint is that it tops out at 86 lbs but ymmv
Yeah!!! The YMMV was a joke of sorts.I imagine you're the only person who has ever run into that limitation.
Love mine too.
One of my first machines was a Prince MP100 pneumatic then lockouts then I added the Wise. The Wise is far better than the MP100 and the lockout in some respects. But I think you're overlooking the capabilities of your Gamma lock out. Yes it is limited by the 90# top tension but what if the Gamma were were maladjusted so you were limited by how much pressure you could put on the crank? Oops there goes another rubber tree or a set of string as you tension them to 100+#. LOLYeah!!! The YMMV was a joke of sorts.
Wise is fantastic. Grew up on a prince pneumatic and the wise is far superior.
Three years into my 2086, and have no idea how I lasted so many years w/o one.
One thing you will notice is you will likely have to drop the tension on the Wise to achieve similar tension from your previous machine, assuming it was a drop weight or lockout. I was coming from a drop weight and had to drop the Wise 4lbs to get similar numbers (used RacquetTune as my reference point).
I assume this would be the case coming from any non-constant pull.
Not true. Drop Weight is only 'constant pull' if the arm is at 90 degrees (unless we're talking about a StringWay drop weight). But it can't adjust as the string stretches. You would have to constantly lift the bar & reset it to just above 90 and let it drop to 90 again...and again...and again, because anything above 90 or below 90 is no longer the desired tension.Drop weight is the original constant pull. Shouldn't need to adjust between a wise and a drop weight unless one of them isn't calibrated correctly. Lockout to wise I can understand.
The advantage of a constant pull is it pulls at the save tension over and over again it DOES NOT PULL CONSTANTLY. It pulls and stops (holding the string until it relaxes like a lockout) then it pulls again until you clamp the string. Can't you do the same with a lockout just not automatically as fast?
If you've ever used an electronic machine, you'd know that it constantly adjusts after hitting the desired tension. That is why the string bed ends up registering tighter.
Don't think they are opposites, just worded differently. In my case, the Wise pulls up to the desired tension (or past it if you have 'pre-stretch'), then it 'adjusts' as the string continues to stretch. I can hear/see the tension head moving until I clamp the string & release it. So if my desired tension is 50, it will pull up to 50. At that point, if I do nothing, I will see the head constantly moving back & forth a tiny sliver, and see the digital readout jump from 49.7 to 50.1 to 49.8 to 50 to 49.8...until I clamp & release.
At some point it might stop jumping, and I'm certain the amount of adjustment is dependent upon the string's characteristics, but I've seen this behavior on the major three types (poly, natural gut, multi). Have not strung Kevlar in a while, so don't know about that.
Is it really that good? (I saw wise in FS section from time to time. If it is that good, I ask myself why it ever show up in FS section. I guess depends on people.)Three years into my 2086, and have no idea how I lasted so many years w/o one.
For me, yes. But I was coming from an Alpha drop-weight that I used for 20 years. I assume it would be the same going from any drop-weight to any electronic machine.Is it really that good?
With an electronic tensioner it pulls farther until the set tension is attained then it locks out. Some electronic machine have more Overpull than others. Once the tensioner locks out the string relaxes and when the tensioner recognizes the tension has fallen a certain amount the tensioner starts stretching the storm ore to increase the tension. And the cycle repeats until the string is clamped and the tensioner disengaged.These two posts read as opposites to me. Does the Wise tensioner continue to pull tighter as the string is stretched in order to keep up the "set" tension? I was thinking of upgrading my Gamma x-st already by adding the wise but if releasing and cranking a second time on a lockout (I believe Irvin posted a video showing how this did pull more string through) can accomplish the same thing as a machine pre-stretch of the Wise, than I do not mind the extra time needed.
Not all drop weights have an arm to make horizontal. I still have my old Serrano machine that I used back in the 1960's although I no longer use that old machine, it has a foot peddle to lift the weight, and it automatically pulled proper tension without anything needing to be horizontal, and that machine is a drop weight, and a true constant pull. I only once in a while string a wooden racquet with that old machine when one comes by every so often, otherwise I no longer use it.Drop weights are not really true constant pull either. If you lower the arm and need to pick it up to adjust it closer to horizontal, you have tensioned two times and the string was allowed to relax a bit while the clutch locked it out.
Speed is only one part of the equation. You are correct in thinking that you probably won't get much quicker with the Wise. However, the other benefits I found:it took me less than 30 minutes per racket from taking out the broken strings to finish on neos. I am not sure if I can get any faster than that with wise.
Yea . . . the Serrano reminds me of the Stringways as well. I'm not bent on speed, so maybe I'll go over to Stringway next time.Not all drop weights have an arm to make horizontal. I still have my old Serrano machine that I used back in the 1960's although I no longer use that old machine, it has a foot peddle to lift the weight, and it automatically pulled proper tension without anything needing to be horizontal, and that machine is a drop weight, and a true constant pull. I only once in a while string a wooden racquet with that old machine when one comes by every so often, otherwise I no longer use it.
Why more enjoyable? can you be more specific? I string about same amount of rackets as you do so I am interested to hear your input. Thanks.Totally agree with Dags post above. I went 5 years with a revo 4000 crank and then got a wise. I string maybe 6 a month right now, yet the wise has been worth every penny. It's more enjoyable and I'm more confident in the results.
Why more enjoyable? can you be more specific? I string about same amount of rackets as you do so I am interested to hear your input. Thanks.