Wise owners-how to set up my new tensioner

[jim e]

I would not suggest using a diablo with poly regardless of the machine.

I have strung a decent amount of poly, and have used the diablo with no issues at all.
With The diablo you will not be pulling at a sharp angle to the edge of the tension jaws as you would with some sharp angled pulls, especially with some angled pulls on some O Port racquets when you lock the table brake, as the diablo keeps the string at same angle to tension plates each pull.

The diablo on my machine is very large and is very delicate on strings. Heres a picture of the diablo and tension plates on my machine: When the string comes off the top of the diablo it sets in a straight line into the plates as well.

Without it with some sharp angled pulls it could cause some shear stress on the sharp angle to the plates and it is eliminated with this.

I like this feature, but.... like anything else, what one person likes can be anothers dislike, so to each their own I guess.

Levy 1, I would at least try it out and see how you like it and go from there, as that way you can make your own decisons as far as the diablo is with your machine set up and strings. You have it so give it a try.

 

[mad dog1]

^^I agree with you 'jim e' and 'mad dog1' if the top of the diablo is even with the center of the gripper and I can only assume it is.

the top of the diablo is even or close to even w/ the center of the gripper.

but having said that, i still think we need most highly esteemed stringer zapvor to weigh in on this subject because he's the only real legit stringer on the board. :twisted:

 

[PBODY99]

Did you use the diablo? One wrap and it should allow the string to sit in the gripper with good contact.

 

[mad dog1]

I can only tell you the racket played even better. But is was strung 2lbs less. It went very smooth compared with the crank and much easier. The string does not lay down in the gripper. It is high in the front towards the racket and low in the rear of the gripper. If I pull the string into the gripper it only catches in the back corner. I have to take a different finger and push the string down in the front to make it lay in the gripper correctly. I am not using the diablo as I was told to only use it for gut. Will it line up the string better and how do you use it?

Did you use the diablo? One wrap and it should allow the string to sit in the gripper with good contact.

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[levy1]

It sound like you are still below the level of the string bed pulling tension but the Wise is too high to pass the racket for 360. Since the lever of the gripper is below the string bed when you push the string down the angle of the string going into the gripper from the racket will change when you apply tension. If you are using gut string and they slip a little you have messed up your strings. So as an after thought Herb uses a diablo to correct the situation. I don't use the diablo because I have a spacer that raised my Wise up to the level of the string bed so all is will. That was the work around for the Gamma machines.

I would put the diablo on and see what is best for you. I think you will have the same issue maybe worse with the diablo. It all depends on what level the diablo put the string going in and out of the gripper. The string should lay in the gripper all the way through at the same level as the point where it leaves the diablo.

I cannot see where a spacer would go or I would make one. I only need about 3/8 of a inch. Anyone have a picture of a diablo mounted?

 

[levy1]

Just strung up two more rackets. Went from 1.5 to 1.0 hours including cutting the string. Plus it is easier for me. getting used to losing my 360. Used two fingers to get the string down and it was not so much of a issue but I would like to correct in anyway.

 

[levy1]

Calling Zapvor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Irvin]

I cannot see where a spacer would go or I would make one. I only need about 3/8 of a inch. Anyone have a picture of a diablo mounted?

The spacer would not work for you. You goes between the While and the piece the Wise bolts on to go on the tension arm.

Install your diablo it goes on the gripper.

EDIT: Go to the tennis head dot com site and click on electronic stringing then click next to get to the second picture and you will see how the diablo is mounted but it does not look to me as though the top of the diablo is level with the center of the gripper that's why I said what I said.

EDIT: Here is a good picture of how the diablo looks installed and how to use it. Looks like it shoud fix your problem.

 

[levy1]

The spacer would not work for you. You goes between the While and the piece the Wise bolts on to go on the tension arm.

Install your diablo it goes on the gripper.

EDIT: Go to the tennis head dot com site and click on electronic stringing then click next to get to the second picture and you will see how the diablo is mounted but it does not look to me as though the top of the diablo is level with the center of the gripper that's why I said what I said.

EDIT: Here is a good picture of how the diablo looks installed and how to use it. Looks like it shoud fix your problem.

Thank you.

 

[levy1]

I have been told a couple of times not to use poly with a diablo. If I mount it and take the string under the wheel it should solve my problem.

 

[Irvin]

I have been told a couple of times not to use poly with a diablo. If I mount it and take the string under the wheel it should solve my problem.

Do you know why you should not wrap poly around a diablo?

 

[i3602u]

Irvin I don't know but would like to know about diablo and poly?


When do you use diablo and when do you not?

 

[levy1]

Irvin I don't know but would like to know about diablo and poly?


When do you use diablo and when do you not?

No I do not.

 

[Irvin]

If I were using my lock out tensioner which has a diablo I would always use it to keep the angle of the stirng entering the diablo the same as the tension gripper moves to pull tension. The level of the point where the string enters the gripper is on a different horizontal plane than the string bed. It has to be this way to get 360 rotation. When the two levels are different the angle going into the gripper never changes when using a diablo. That is the whole purpose of the diablo on all machines.

On my Wise I do not have the diablo becuase I have a Gamma spacer that raises the level of the gripper to the level of the string bed. Because the Wise pulls in a horizontal direction and the level of the string bed is on the same horizontal plane so I do feel a need for the diablo (except when pulling mains inside the throat.)

If there is a reason for not using a diablo for any type of string I would like to know what it is.

 

[jim e]

If there is a reason for not using a diablo for any type of string I would like to know what it is.

I would also like to know!
I use the Diablo for all string types with no issues.
It seems to me it makes it gentler on the string no matter of string type.


In an issue of RSI from the USRSA this was in a past issue Aug. 2006 about a diablo add on:

Gentle Jaws is a nosecone or “diablo” accessory that mounts easily on any stringing machine to minimize damage to strings caused by slippage through the tension jaws. As described in the Machine Selector Guide in this issue, a nosecone functions as follows: “The string is wrapped around the nosecone before it is put in the tension head, allowing the tension head to grip the string more gently and ensuring the string enters the tension jaws at the the same angle each time.” According to Gentle Jaws developer John Zednick, the accessory “will speed up your stringing and improve the quality of your work. This will lead to more satisfied customers and increased profits.” For more information, contact...............

 

[levy1]

If I were using my lock out tensioner which has a diablo I would always use it to keep the angle of the stirng entering the diablo the same as the tension gripper moves to pull tension. The level of the point where the string enters the gripper is on a different horizontal plane than the string bed. It has to be this way to get 360 rotation. When the two levels are different the angle going into the gripper never changes when using a diablo. That is the whole purpose of the diablo on all machines.

On my Wise I do not have the diablo becuase I have a Gamma spacer that raises the level of the gripper to the level of the string bed. Because the Wise pulls in a horizontal direction and the level of the string bed is on the same horizontal plane so I do feel a need for the diablo (except when pulling mains inside the throat.)

If there is a reason for not using a diablo for any type of string I would like to know what it is.

The gripper on the Wise is about 3/8 lower then the string bed. I mounted the diablo and if I run the string under the diablo whis is about 1/2 inch below the string bed it makes the string lie flat in the gripper. Now when I am pulling the string it is running under the diablo and then into the gripper. Does this affect tension?

 

[ATP100]

I tried to tell you levy1, you are not ready for a Wise.
You have a lot to learn, and this machine is not the place for YOU to learn.
(This is based on your Threads and Posts I have read going back to last year)

 

[jim e]

The gripper on the Wise is about 3/8 lower then the string bed. I mounted the diablo and if I run the string under the diablo whis is about 1/2 inch below the string bed it makes the string lie flat in the gripper. Now when I am pulling the string it is running under the diablo and then into the gripper. Does this affect tension?

Why not use the diablo like it was intended to use??
Wrap it the proper way as it will start and end on top of the diablo and that will raise the string level up the diameter of the center of the diablo.At least try it once the proper way so you can see how it works.The string will be closer to the string bed level, and the string will go in straight in the tension jaws.I really cannot see a reason why you would use it any differently.

 

[quest01]

I was stringing babolat rpm blast 18 gauge string with the wise on cp and after I pulled tension and clamped the string snapped. That's the first time I have ever seen that happen before where the string snaps like that. I think the jaws weren't tight enough for 18g strings because thats the first time I used this gauge in a wise head.

 

[Irvin]

The gripper on the Wise is about 3/8 lower then the string bed. I mounted the diablo and if I run the string under the diablo whis is about 1/2 inch below the string bed it makes the string lie flat in the gripper. Now when I am pulling the string it is running under the diablo and then into the gripper. Does this affect tension?

I don't think it will effect tension much but I would run it over and around like it was intended. Why not?

 

[levy1]

I tried to tell you levy1, you are not ready for a Wise.
You have a lot to learn, and this machine is not the place for YOU to learn.
(This is based on your Threads and Posts I have read going back to last year)

Wow! I did not know there was a stringing machine police patrol on the forum!

Anyone can use a Wise, even a newbie like myself. The wealth of info on this thread, Irvins posts and demos on UTube all have contribuated to my learning process. Because of you guys I am having a lot more fun with the new machine. I like they way my rackets play even more now but that could just be in my head!. I have moved from a Klippermate to a Eagnas 910 to now with a Wise. I have strung polys, natural guts and over 50 different string combos. I continue to evolve with all your help. Its fun learning a new part of the tennis game. I thank all of you for helping me with questions with the exception of ATP 100 who had no info to share.

 

[levy1]

I don't think it will effect tension much but I would run it over and around like it was intended. Why not?

Sounds good to me and makes the angle perfect. Is it ok with the CP setting?

 

[Irvin]

I would use the CP for everything at the slowest speed. But remember if you encounter any machine errors try bumping up the speed if you are stringing at a high tension before you send it back for repair.

 

[tes]

In my opinion...If you just listen to Irvin's advice (on most any stringing machine topic) you won't go wrong. No offense meant to others.
When the zombies decimate this planet I pray that Irvin is well armed and survives to continue his Wise counsel. (pun intended)

Wise owner with Alpha revo and loving it.

 

[Rabbit]

As an update to the Wise and Prince frames, I submit the following. It just so happened that Herb sent out an email to Wise owners about maintenance and an upgrade for those who string badminton frames. I responded to the email with a question, what about the Wise and the effect of pulling at angles on Price frames. Should we or shouldn't we/

Herb replied within a day and said he understood the concern and would recommend using the boomerang. Question asked and answered. I am happily using the boomerang and stringing away!

 

[levy1]

In my opinion...If you just listen to Irvin's advice (on most any stringing machine topic) you won't go wrong. No offense meant to others.
When the zombies decimate this planet I pray that Irvin is well armed and survives to continue his Wise counsel. (pun intended)

Wise owner with Alpha revo and loving it.

Now that was funny!