Wise vs Gamma

Maverick13

Rookie
Hey everyone.

i apologize if this has been covered already but I was hoping someone could help me narrow down my machine search.

How much better are the Alpha and/of Gamma tension systems compared to a Wise 2086? I could get a Gamma 6004 and add a Wise head (and have better clamps and mounting system) for about $900 less than a Gamma 7900 or Alpha Ghost 2. Is the Alpha/Gamma tension head any better than a Wise to justify spending more?
 

LOBALOT

Professional
In my opinion the quick release clamps on the Alpha Ghost 2 are much better than the Gamma 6004. I am not sure which mounting you are selecting with the 6004 but the Ghost mounting is at least comparable. In addition the Ghost has the auto-table lock which I find helpful.

To your last question, I also like the tension head on the Ghost but that is more of a personal preference.
 

jim e

Legend
The Alpha Ghost is designed as electronic from manufacturer. Wise is add on, and with Wise you are limited on making angle pulls, like stringing some O Port racquets can be detrimental to the Wise , with the Ghost has auto lock table that actually works well with O Ports. The Ghost has many features and you get a lot for the amount. Just my opinion since you are asking for opinions.
If you strung for other players, you will recoup the difference after a number of racquets if you charge appropriately. The better the machine the more enjoyable the stringing is.I know if anything happens to my machine where it cannot be repaired, I would get the Ghost.
 
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Maverick13

Rookie
Is this for yourself or a stringing business?

I string for a few friends but mostly just for me. I know the ghost is better I’m just trying to determine if it’s $800 better than having a wise.
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LOBALOT

Professional
I purchased my Ghost 2 two and a half years ago. If I temporarily set aside savings from stringing my son's racquets and all the string inventory, work bench, rack for string, stereo, book shelf, etc. I purchased for my stringing area and I have paid back $2,000 of the $3,000 I paid for the Ghost 2. This is from proceeds friends have paid me for stringing their racquets.

Note: This year I have purchased $750 in natural gut and added it to my inventory.

Now add on 2 restrings a week on average for my son at $18 a restring at the pro shop and the return on investment is at worst a year and a half.
 

badmice2

Semi-Pro
The Alpha Ghost is designed as electronic from manufacturer. Wise is add on, and with Wise you are limited on making angle pulls, like stringing some O Port racquets can be detrimental to the Wise , with the Ghost has auto lock table that actually works well with O Ports. The Ghost has many features and you get a lot for the amount. Just my opinion since you are asking for opinions.
If you strung for other players, you will recoup the difference after a number of racquets if you charge appropriately. The better the machine the more enjoyable the stringing is.I know if anything happens to my machine where it cannot be repaired, I would get the Ghost.
Echo @jim e . I upgraded to the Ghost 2 from Revo+Wise. The turntable auto lockout is an absolute upgrade IMO. Tie off setting is a very nice to have. From tension standpoint, folks I restring for didn't notice any difference between the past vs. present. I also enjoy the mounting on the Ghost over the Revo.

It's an investment (it was for me), but I imagine the machine should last quite some time.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
If you can swing an all in one electronic machine of good quality, versus a standup with a WISE add on, I would strongly recommend the former. I string on a Baiardo at work and an Axis Pro with a WISE at home. Although I’m confident the quality of the string jobs I can produce between the 2 machines is similar, there’s simply no comparison - the Baiardo is night and day a better machine. My guess is id feel the same about a Ghost as well.
 

McLovin

Legend
I've had my Alpha Revo + Wise for almost 9 years now (https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/alpha-revo-4000-2086-aka-wise-tension-head-thoughts.437813/#post-6870729), and have no complaints. The main reason I did it this way was because at the time I strung for a lot of people at my club, as well as some high school players. Many would pop a string during practice and need it the next day, and I couldn't be without a machine. My thinking was if I had to send the Wise out to be repaired, I'd still have the stock crank that I could 'limp' by with until it came back.

Luckily that never happened. If I had it to do over, and was guaranteed there'd be no issues, I might have gone the more expensive route as others suggest. But since it was my first electronic machine, I was a little cautious about reliability and went with the option that provided me a backup.
 

Maverick13

Rookie
If you can swing an all in one electronic machine of good quality, versus a standup with a WISE add on, I would strongly recommend the former. I string on a Baiardo at work and an Axis Pro with a WISE at home. Although I’m confident the quality of the string jobs I can produce between the 2 machines is similar, there’s simply no comparison - the Baiardo is night and day a better machine. My guess is id feel the same about a Ghost as well.
I would hope the Baiardo would be a night and day better machine lol I guess im more wondering if I’ll be able to tell a difference in the string job between the stand alone machine and one with a wise (other than simplicity).
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
I would hope the Baiardo would be a night and day better machine lol I guess im more wondering if I’ll be able to tell a difference in the string job between the stand alone machine and one with a wise (other than simplicity).
If your technique is solid, no I don’t think you’d tell much difference between string jobs on the 2 machines.
 
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jim e

Legend
I would hope the Baiardo would be a night and day better machine lol I guess im more wondering if I’ll be able to tell a difference in the string job between the stand alone machine and one with a wise (other than simplicity).
If your technique is solid, no I don’t think you’d tell much difference between string jobs on the 2 machines.
It is all the conveniences of the higher end machine that makes it more enjoyable, especially if you continue into the future stringing.
More features, then that makes easier, and that cuts down time spent, that time over years of stringing amounts to a good deal of time.
Your time should have some value.
Many have upgraded machines many times till they get the best machine for them. Starting with a good one avoids all that.
Technique is most important, as if you have sloppy practices no matter what machine, you turn out garbage.
 
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LOBALOT

Professional
I would hope the Baiardo would be a night and day better machine lol I guess im more wondering if I’ll be able to tell a difference in the string job between the stand alone machine and one with a wise (other than simplicity).
@McLovin has an idea if you want to head down this path. Alpha will allow you to upgrade the clamps on the Revo to the quick release clamps and then add a Wise. It will still not be as good as a machine designed as a cohesive unit but it will have better clamps than the Gamma.
 

Strawbewwy

Rookie
you guys have talked up the ghost so much i'm getting an urge even though i just upgraded to the 6004 (no wise yet)...

do stringing machines get "deals"? since i have no rush if there's any sales i can wait..
 

LOBALOT

Professional
You should call them. I am not sure. I believe they had a deal at one time if you signed up for RSA but I am not a member so can't speak to that.

I have no regrets with my machine for home use and if you have a junior player (they go through string like crazy) it is a no brainer as you will get consistent results.

I am stringing a lot of racquets on it.
 

jim e

Legend
you guys have talked up the ghost so much i'm getting an urge even though i just upgraded to the 6004 (no wise yet)...

do stringing machines get "deals"? since i have no rush if there's any sales i can wait..
The only deal I know of is if you are a member of usrsa and an MRT , or if you join the IART (previously gss), you can get a 3% discount from Alpha on a machine.
That is only deal I have seen.
 

McLovin

Legend
Alpha will allow you to upgrade the clamps on the Revo to the quick release clamps and then add a Wise.
Are those clamps available to purchase online somewhere? On their site all I see are the 'Standard' 5-tooth and the 'Hybrid' 5-tooth clamps.
 

LOBALOT

Professional
An acquaintance purchased the axis pioneer dc plus 2 years ago and was able to upgrade it at purchase with the quick release clamps. He called them and specified the clamps when he bought the machine. It was an odd decision on his part as the drop weight takes some time to level out the bar and use but the clamps speed things up. Kind of like running 3 steps and walking 3 and running 3 and walking 3....
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
It is all the conveniences of the higher end machine that makes it more enjoyable, especially if you continue into the future stringing.
More features, then that makes easier, and that cuts down time spent, that time over years of stringing amounts to a good deal of time.
Your time should have some value.
Many have upgraded machines many times till they get the best machine for them. Starting with a good one avoids all that.
Technique is most important, as if you have sloppy practices no matter what machine, you turn out garbage.
Well said.

I’ll add this. I can string noticeably faster on the Baiardo, without cutting corners - probably 3 or so min faster per racquet. The mounting setup for one is so much easier on the Baiardo. Also, the ergonomics of the Baiardo result in a much happier body (back) after a long stint at the controls. True, all of this is probably no surprise - comparing a flagship machine vs. perhaps a mid-range hobby grade machine. But if I could do it over, I’d have waited to save another grand or so to scoop a ghost for home use. Would have been well worth it. That said, the Axis pro with the WISE gets the job done.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Hey everyone.

i apologize if this has been covered already but I was hoping someone could help me narrow down my machine search.

How much better are the Alpha and/of Gamma tension systems compared to a Wise 2086? I could get a Gamma 6004 and add a Wise head (and have better clamps and mounting system) for about $900 less than a Gamma 7900 or Alpha Ghost 2. Is the Alpha/Gamma tension head any better than a Wise to justify spending more?
I got the 6004 and wise and have had it for years. I think the ghost wasn't around. Anyhow I have been happy and if I had a time machine I would probably have just bought the same thing I did. Though if I HAD to change I probably would have just bought the electric gamma that looks like a 6004 but with a rotary gripper. I was looking at that and everyone dissuaded me on the rotary gripper so I got the wise.

My 2 cents is that the feedback here is coming from shop stringers where the criterion is different. If you are a home stringer and tennis nut IMHO the saved money is worth it when you factor in the racquets/ string you could buy. The Wise/gamma has been a tank and I pretty much string every racquet at 86lbs. No issues.

I will take their word for the clamps being better on other machines. Though I have never ever thought "man I wish the clamps were better". I did think that on that old prince stringer I had, but not this one.
 

struggle

Legend
I have a 6004/Wise. No complaints, but of course a higher end machine would be nicer. To me, base clamps are a BIG deal
and the 6004 easily beats the 7900 in this respect. I've not used any of the other stuff, Ghost, Bairdo, Babolat, etc.

I would not buy a machine with a rotary gripper, but i'm sure they work fine.
 

Wes

Professional
you guys have talked up the ghost so much i'm getting an urge even though i just upgraded to the 6004 (no wise yet)...
Not to worry. The 6004 is a fine machine (biased opinion here).
I have a 6004/Wise. No complaints, but of course a higher end machine would be nicer. To me, base clamps are a BIG deal
and the 6004 easily beats the 7900 in this respect. I've not used any of the other stuff, Ghost, Bairdo, Babolat, etc.

I would not buy a machine with a rotary gripper, but i'm sure they work fine.
I agree with every single statement above.
@struggle, are you some kind of mind reader?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Most people that buy a Wise do so because they already have a machine and want to upgrade to an eCP. I had the Gamma 6004 / Wise combo and was 100% happy with it until I got a Star 5.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@am1899 - I find that I string faster on the Mighty Sensor than either the Prince Neos 1000 or 1500. I too had a Wise (2 of them actually) and had no problem.

@Irvin - I agree. I was happy with the Wise until I got my Babolat. The combination of the Sensor's body and the utter solidness and speed of the tension assembly is so much nicer than the Wise as to be amazing. Of course, there is a dollar cost associated with that.

All that said, if I hadn't gotten the bug to have a purpose built eCP, I would have been able to string on the Wise/Prince combo for the rest of my life.
 

Maverick13

Rookie
I current have an X-ST and want to go electric so adding a Wise is my cheapest option, 6004+Wise is middle ground and a 7900 or Ghost 2 is the higher end. Those with a Wise (who have or haven’t strung on a Baiardo or Babolat) does the Wise do the job well if you no other electric reference.... kinda like TVs, if you have a Sony, a Nanocell or QLED you think it’s the best until you see an OLED and then realize yours is trash.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
I current have an X-ST and want to go electric so adding a Wise is my cheapest option, 6004+Wise is middle ground and a 7900 or Ghost 2 is the higher end. Those with a Wise (who have or haven’t strung on a Baiardo or Babolat) does the Wise do the job well if you no other electric reference.... kinda like TVs, if you have a Sony, a Nanocell or QLED you think it’s the best until you see an OLED and then realize yours is trash.
Lemme put it this way. Stringing on a Baiardo at work has effectively spoiled me. If I had never strung on a machine like that, I’d be totally satisfied with the WISE on the Axis Pro I have at home.
 

hadoken

Rookie
If the price gap of what you were looking at was $2K then I would give pause as that's a lot of money...but $900 over many years doesn't seem like much money and I would get a better machine. I had a Gamma 5003 and couldn't stand double action clamps and went back to a NEOS. If the Ghost 2 clamps are faster than the Gamma I think I would spend more money...or I would downgrade to a used machine + Wise.
 
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