With Nadal as #1, will Tennis be more popular?

veritech said:
polo shirts not modern? i wear polo shirts all the time, and so do many people i know. i wear cardigans and sweaters over my button up shirts, do i dress old fashioned? i wear it because it's a style, a style that many companies market to.

and i think his silence and calmness on the court has nothing to do with his image, but rather supports his playing. me and my buddies can relate to roger more than we do nadal, since we don't play nadal's style, we don't wear shirts that show your buffness, we don't wear capris.

and federer shows emotion rarely, but he shows it during big points. that's enough exuberance for me. and some people actually think it's very intriguing how he stays so calm and composed at such tough moments.
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Saying his style is classic is NOT insulting him, so your style is classic too, that's fine, I don't understand why it bothers you.
 
NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
Agree to disagree on that one considering Federer is winning all the big claycourt events that Nadal doesn't win. There is a massive gap between Nadal and Federer on clay, but Federer doesn't even drop a set on clay before he reaches the Final. No evidence yet of Federer losing to anyone on clay except for Nadal. Plus you can count on Federer trying to win RG for as long as he lives to complete the slam (which he would do if Nadal ever gets injured).
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Yeah like Rome huh? Rome>Estoril Monfils taking a set on Federer. Djokovic winning 12 games to Fed only winning 4 games on Nadal at Roland Garros.
 
veroniquem said:
Saying his style is classic is NOT insulting him, so your style is classic too, that's fine, I don't understand why it bothers you.
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i just think in present day, classic is related more to professional/business casual attire than old fashioned wear.

the only reason why it was sort of bothering me is because that classic style isn't just "old." it's just as stylish as it was in the past.
 
veroniquem said:
OK, I read that article and it was really silly, I don't think the author had the slightest clue about his subject. First of all, Nadal has made an enormous amount of money from endorsements and sponsors: from Nike to Babolat (10 year contract) to Kia, Loreal, watches etc, etc. He has never said exactly how much but Toni has hinted that it was a lot. Maybe you haven't noticed that Nadal is one of Nike's main stars. They're investing a lot in his outfits, image, ads, photo ops... Why do you think that would be, humanitarian generosity? Lol. You think they would invest so much in him if it didn't bring them big bucks? You're either crazy or you don't understand what Nike stands for.
And apparently you haven't noticed either how most kids are trying to imitate Nadal's style and look. Sorry but your post is way off the mark. Actually if you read the general press instead of that inane bloomberg snippet, you would find out that Nadal has a "rock star" following and is a "crowd favorite". Hang around the tournaments grounds some time and you'll see what they mean.
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stop trolling...... if you stop dreaming of having sex with rafa, maybe you'd see how things are............. i.e. get your head out of your ass.
 
veritech said:
i just think in present day, classic is related more to professional/business casual attire than old fashioned wear.

the only reason why it was sort of bothering me is because that classic style isn't just "old." it's just as stylish as it was in the past.
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It's very stylish but it isn't modern. Maybe we'll manage to agree in the end! I think we are entangled in a vocabulary issue...
 
grizzly4life said:
stop trolling...... if you stop dreaming of having sex with rafa, maybe you'd see how things are............. i.e. get your head out of your ass.
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I have no idea what I said in my post that made you so furious but if you think women dream of having sex with him then you agree that he has a lot of sex-appeal and on account of that you would agree that it makes him more marketable to the general public. So if we agree, you might as well stop insulting me!
 
xxxabc123xxx said:
In conclusion, it was probably Federer that contributed to the decline of Tennis and Nadal will bring tennis back to its former glory.
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I am pretty sure ur a 10 year old or a teenage girl who is obsessed with rafa's butt, and if not then i feel really sorry for you becoz no rational human being can say something like tht!!!
 
Morrissey said:
Ah hem, you mean Fed beater shirt. I guess your favorite player is the one who constantly plays with his hair and plays tennis like a ballerina.
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Ahem i guess shes talking abt a player who picks his ass on every point, who also plays with his hair, misuses the tennis rule and takes 45 secs to serve (basically cheats) on important points, gets tips from his uncle in the crowd, and runs like rabbit to get to every ball and then complains abt the hardcourt season being too long!
 
Nadal is kind of like Becker, Safin and Rafter, the forever young vibe just seems to radiate off him. He's like the fun loving cousin or uncle who's always up for a party. He also seems like a family, hometown man ever since all those photos of him in Mallorca crept up.

Contrastling, Federer now looks and acts far older than his age would suggest. As a result, people tend to lump Federer into the same category as Donald Trump: stuffy, stodgy, representative of a restricting past. His team made a massive mistake marketing his "elite, conservative values" side when it was his ponytailed, necklace-wearing, badboy genius elder brother vibe that won him so many fans early on.
 
xxxabc123xxx said:
The past 4 years has been dominated by Roger Federer. He became the poster boy for tennis. It is safe to say that Tennis lost alot of fans because of that. Federer does not have the charisma and the exciting type of tennis that inspires fans to watch. We can see this from the drop of sponsorship to less TV ratings. It is not like the Tiger Woods situation where even nonfans like to watch his greatness, Federer just does not have the same type of charisma.

Nadal has proven that he has major charisma and can drive sales. Even though he is #2 and speaks limited English, his fanbase is bigger than Federer's. His style of play is unique and exciting to watch. His humble personality and warrior personality on the court makes him perfect for fans. Nadal will probably not dominate the hardcourts like Federer did and will bring new rivalries to the sport.

In conclusion, it was probably Federer that contributed to the decline of Tennis and Nadal will bring tennis back to its former glory.
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I agree 100% with you.
 
Alexio92 said:
Fed wins uso, nadal loses in first round :)
Fed wins olympics, nadal loses next match :twisted:
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You are already wrong on count 2, no amoung of magic will make Federer win the Olympics now, and on your first count, on current form, Federer is the one who is likely to lose in the first round at the USO.
 
xxxabc123xxx said:
The past 4 years has been dominated by Roger Federer. He became the poster boy for tennis. It is safe to say that Tennis lost alot of fans because of that. Federer does not have the charisma and the exciting type of tennis that inspires fans to watch. We can see this from the drop of sponsorship to less TV ratings. It is not like the Tiger Woods situation where even nonfans like to watch his greatness, Federer just does not have the same type of charisma.

Nadal has proven that he has major charisma and can drive sales. Even though he is #2 and speaks limited English, his fanbase is bigger than Federer's. His style of play is unique and exciting to watch. His humble personality and warrior personality on the court makes him perfect for fans. Nadal will probably not dominate the hardcourts like Federer did and will bring new rivalries to the sport.

In conclusion, it was probably Federer that contributed to the decline of Tennis and Nadal will bring tennis back to its former glory.
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I think you've got it completely backwards. Just replace "Federer" everywhere you wrote "Nadal" above and replace "Nadal" with "Federer" above and then you'll have it correct.

I enjoy watching Federer more than any other player I've watched play for the past 35 years. He is VERY exciting to watch. His variety runs circles around Nadal. All Nadal does is grunt loudly and pump his fist while raising his knee. Oh, and pick his butt before every serve, of course.

As a fan once yelled out to Connors during a Connors-Agassi match at the US Open - "He's a punk, you're a legend!" I think the same applies to Federer and Nadal. Federer being the legend, of course. :)
 
BreakPoint said:
What? Non-blue collar workers don't count as "people"? :-?
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I said:

"This is a great point, people relate to Nadal more, he's blue-collar-worker and humble."

If anything this indicates that most "people" are blue-collar-workers and humble (hence can relate to Nadal).
 
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NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
This post doesn't make any sense. You misread my post.
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No, I read your post correctly. You said people relate to Nadal more because he's blue-collar, as if people can't relate to people that are not blue collar. Don't you think non-blue collar people relate to other non-blue collar people just fine? If so, aren't non-blue collar people also "people"?
 
Take your obssessions somewhere else, and yes blue-collar people relate better to other blue-collar people, obviously (I know I do).
 
NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
Take your obssessions somewhere else, and yes blue-collar people relate better to other blue-collar people, obviously (I know I do).
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Are you for real? You said "people" relate to Nadal better because he's blue-collar, as if ALL people are blue-collar. Aren't non-blue collar people also "people"? Do you think white-collar people also relate to Nadal better because he's blue-collar? :-?

Here's your post again in case you forgot:
NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
This is a great point, people relate to Nadal more, he's blue-collar-worker and humble.
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There are billions more blue collars than white collars.

This is really a waste of time, a petty argument just to create a conflict.
 
nereis said:
Nadal is kind of like Becker, Safin and Rafter, the forever young vibe just seems to radiate off him. He's like the fun loving cousin or uncle who's always up for a party. He also seems like a family, hometown man ever since all those photos of him in Mallorca crept up.

Contrastling, Federer now looks and acts far older than his age would suggest. As a result, people tend to lump Federer into the same category as Donald Trump: stuffy, stodgy, representative of a restricting past. His team made a massive mistake marketing his "elite, conservative values" side when it was his ponytailed, necklace-wearing, badboy genius elder brother vibe that won him so many fans early on.
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I think so too. His original vibe was much better, more free-spirited. This new thing of appealing to an older crowd falls flat. Classic, modern, traditional, whatever. Youngsters growing up interested in the game are not going to go for cardigans. Fed was much cooler back then.
 
Agree. Nadal is not blue collar. Just a young, rich kid enjoying life, blessed genetics, a strong home life, a beautiful girlfriend, and an indomitable will. Nadal and Federer are simply different in every aspect. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
pandanonium said:
There are far more blue collars than white collars.
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So white-collar people are not "people" then?

BTW, there are more service jobs than manufacturing jobs in the U.S.

In any case, it's absolutely ridiculous to assume that all people are blue-collar by calling them just "people". Only a blue-collar person would think that because there are tons of non-blue-collar people in the world. In fact, I would say that most people that can afford to play tennis are non-blue-collar people, especially outside of the U.S. where it's much more expensive to play tennis. Have you ever tried to play tennis in Europe, Australia, or in Japan to see how much it costs?
 
I don't consider a blue-collar a financial term. I consider blue-collar to mean "hard working". Nadal's game is all about hustle. Federer's is about playing off instincts.
 
Everyone here does know that Nadal's athletic ability is mostly from genetic/natural talent, right?

Nadal does work hard, but to say he works hard and Fed doesn't is ridiculous. They both work hard but at different assets of their game.

That's like saying a serve and volleyer who plays short points doesn't work as hard as a baseliner.
 
^^^ It depends what kind of serve-volleyer you mean. I think Sampras played a very comfortable style of tennis. Whereas Rafter's was extremely physically taxing. Both were serve-volleyers. The serve-volleyer with the greatest serve of all-time (Sampras) is able to coast a lot more.

As for Nadal and Federer, Nadal doesn't hit the same amount of winners, he relies more on long rallies until the other player runs out of puff/makes an error. Federer hits winners more and prefers shorter rallies.
 
BreakPoint said:
I think you've got it completely backwards. Just replace "Federer" everywhere you wrote "Nadal" above and replace "Nadal" with "Federer" above and then you'll have it correct.

I enjoy watching Federer more than any other player I've watched play for the past 35 years. He is VERY exciting to watch. His variety runs circles around Nadal. All Nadal does is grunt loudly and pump his fist while raising his knee. Oh, and pick his butt before every serve, of course.

As a fan once yelled out to Connors during a Connors-Agassi match at the US Open - "He's a punk, you're a legend!" I think the same applies to Federer and Nadal. Federer being the legend, of course. :)
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Yet the fan was wrong, Agassi became a legend too! You adore Federer and there's nothing wrong with that, Federer has a lot of fans but if you talk about the majority of people (not just tennis players but people in general) Nadal elicits more passion, more enthusiasm because he shows more heart, energy and desire on the court.
 
veroniquem said:
Yet the fan was wrong, Agassi became a legend too! You adore Federer and there's nothing wrong with that, Federer has a lot of fans but if you talk about the majority of people (not just tennis players but people in general) Nadal elicits more passion, more enthusiasm because he shows more heart, energy and desire on the court.
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Federer shows enthusiams and heart through play and through his racquet, much like Sampras.

Nadal does it in a different way.

NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
^^^ It depends what kind of serve-volleyer you mean. I think Sampras played a very comfortable style of tennis. Whereas Rafter's was extremely physically taxing. Both were serve-volleyers. The serve-volleyer with the greatest serve of all-time (Sampras) is able to coast a lot more.

As for Nadal and Federer, Nadal doesn't hit the same amount of winners, he relies more on long rallies until the other player runs out of puff/makes an error. Federer hits winners more and prefers shorter rallies.
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You make a good point. A true serve and volley is a better example, much like Rafter. Sampras was a serve and volleyer, but more serve oriented. I'd say like 60-70% serve and 30-40% volley. Now a guy like McEnroe, regardless of his older equipment, he relied more on net play.
 
Mansewerz said:
Everyone here does know that Nadal's athletic ability is mostly from genetic/natural talent, right?

Nadal does work hard, but to say he works hard and Fed doesn't is ridiculous. They both work hard but at different assets of their game.

That's like saying a serve and volleyer who plays short points doesn't work as hard as a baseliner.
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I totally agree that they both work hard. It's a difference of perception: Rafa's efforts are very visible whereas Federer appears almost nonchalant, so people think he didn't need to work that much to get his victories ( the natural talent theory) I have no doubt that Fed actually worked his a... off but image is stronger than reality.
 
veroniquem said:
I totally agree that they both work hard. It's a difference of perception: Rafa's efforts are very visible whereas Federer appears almost nonchalant, so people think he didn't need to work that much to get his victories ( the natural talent theory) I have no doubt that Fed actually worked his a... off but image is stronger than reality.
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Unfortunately most casual watchers are ignorant and wouldn't believe what you just said there. A shame.
 
nereis said:
Nadal is kind of like Becker, Safin and Rafter, the forever young vibe just seems to radiate off him. He's like the fun loving cousin or uncle who's always up for a party. He also seems like a family, hometown man ever since all those photos of him in Mallorca crept up.

Contrastling, Federer now looks and acts far older than his age would suggest. As a result, people tend to lump Federer into the same category as Donald Trump: stuffy, stodgy, representative of a restricting past. His team made a massive mistake marketing his "elite, conservative values" side when it was his ponytailed, necklace-wearing, badboy genius elder brother vibe that won him so many fans early on.
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Ah I thought I was the only one missing the ponytailed rebel! He has become too sleek for his own good and I agree he looks older than his age. Very interesting post.
 
Mansewerz said:
Unfortunately most casual watchers are ignorant and wouldn't believe what you just said there. A shame.
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On the other hand, it's part of the myth, a lot of people admire Roger because they think he's too talented to need work, a sort of natural genius when other players have to scramble. That impression he gives created the aura that contributed to his "godly" reputation.
 
xxxabc123xxx said:
The past 4 years has been dominated by Roger Federer. He became the poster boy for tennis. It is safe to say that Tennis lost alot of fans because of that. Federer does not have the charisma and the exciting type of tennis that inspires fans to watch. We can see this from the drop of sponsorship to less TV ratings. It is not like the Tiger Woods situation where even nonfans like to watch his greatness, Federer just does not have the same type of charisma.

Nadal has proven that he has major charisma and can drive sales. Even though he is #2 and speaks limited English, his fanbase is bigger than Federer's. His style of play is unique and exciting to watch. His humble personality and warrior personality on the court makes him perfect for fans. Nadal will probably not dominate the hardcourts like Federer did and will bring new rivalries to the sport.

In conclusion, it was probably Federer that contributed to the decline of Tennis and Nadal will bring tennis back to its former glory.
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With the changing of the guard, and the passion Nadal shows>>> I don't see not. Everytime there is a new number one, more people open their eyes. Still, what could really make the sport more popular is having a long healthy rivalry with Fed. Complete contrats in styles (like agassi/sampras) . Just look at what the Wimbledon finals did for the sport. A lot of non-tennis players were talking about it Monday morning.
 
NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
I don't consider a blue-collar a financial term. I consider blue-collar to mean "hard working". Nadal's game is all about hustle. Federer's is about playing off instincts.
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But that still doesn't mean that all people can relate to Nadal better, right? I mean, aren't non-hard working or lazy people also "people"?

I mean, I can't relate to Nadal and I'm a "person". But maybe that's because I'm a lazy bum? ;) :lol:
 
NADALwonWIMBLEDONagain said:
^^^ It depends what kind of serve-volleyer you mean. I think Sampras played a very comfortable style of tennis. Whereas Rafter's was extremely physically taxing. Both were serve-volleyers. The serve-volleyer with the greatest serve of all-time (Sampras) is able to coast a lot more.

As for Nadal and Federer, Nadal doesn't hit the same amount of winners, he relies more on long rallies until the other player runs out of puff/makes an error. Federer hits winners more and prefers shorter rallies.
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So basically what you're saying is that Sampras and Federer play smart tennis, whereas, Rafter and Nadal play dumb tennis? Because why work so much harder when the result is the same? If you were smart, why wouldn't you find the least taxing and easiest way to win? Ah...I see...is this where your "blue-collar" analogy comes in?
 
veroniquem said:
I totally agree that they both work hard. It's a difference of perception: Rafa's efforts are very visible whereas Federer appears almost nonchalant, so people think he didn't need to work that much to get his victories ( the natural talent theory) I have no doubt that Fed actually worked his a... off but image is stronger than reality.
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So the bottom line is that you're saying that Federer is 100 times more talented than Nadal because Federer just makes it all look so easy while Nadal makes it look harder than it needs to be?
 
A simple No, he will not make tennis more popular.

Even my wife thinks he looks like one of the Geico Cavemen.
 
I don't think Nadal as #1 will make tennis more popular per se. But, if there's a continual fight for #1, that might make more people take notice. If Roger, Rafa and Nole are continually battling for #1, that's a more compelling story for people to follow versus Feds being #1 all the time.
 
so Rafael Nadal is a Blue Collar?
hum... Santa Claus is my best friend and the landing on the moon is american cgi fx by dreamworx studios...

pics of Rafael Nadal play riding a water power boat at 5 years old doesnt give you guys a clue? blue collar my big white fat knee!!!
 
drakulie said:
LOL. You just made a lot of enemies. everyone is going to say you just hate nadal and love federer.
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Both he and his wife are definitely Nadal haters.Apparently If you don't happen to think that Nadal is the best thing that has ever happened to tennis and a God's gift to mankind there's no other explanation other than that you're a Fed fan and Nadal hater.

Gorecki said:
so Rafael Nadal is a Blue Collar?
hum... Santa Claus is my best friend and the landing on the moon is american cgi fx by dreamworx studios...

pics of Rafael Nadal play riding a water power boat at 5 years old doesnt give you guys a clue? blue collar my big white fat knee!!!
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LMAO man,too funny.
 
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