Wooden rackets & strings

anirut

Legend
I'm thinking about having my mint JK ProStaff & JK Autograph strung up and play with some of the younger people, just to let them know the feel of wood.

What string & tension would you suggest to be suitable for these sticks? Objective is that they should be able to be used to play "competitive-style" tennis of today. Just the style, not in a real competition.

Thirty years ago I used to have them with syn gut up to 60 lbs!! Don't wana use that tension again with these delicate babies.

Thanks for your suggestions.

FOR BP: I have the Maxply Mc too, but as I have only one, it will never be used for playing ... ;)
 

treblings

Hall of Fame
You can string them up to 10 lbs less than you string your redondos, because of the smaller headsize and the more flexible frames. Both Kramers are highly collectable rackets though. And if yours are in mint condition, I wouldn´t play with them at all. It might be an interesting thread - top ten classic wooden frames of the post-war era. I´m sure both Kramers would make the list.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
i hope you have a brace.

also, how do you plan on accomplishing the stringing? what machine do you use.
 

treblings

Hall of Fame
no problem to string wooden rackets with modern machines. i´ve got two woodies - lovely rackets.
 

John C

New User
I've strung mine at 50 lbs. with Syn Gut which feels plenty tight on a Neos 1000. Gut would be preferred but probably cost prohibitive. Used ProStaff myself for "competitive" tennis back in the day.
 

anirut

Legend
Thanks for your replies, guys. So I guess I'll go with 16g syn gut @45. This should be fine I hope.
 

max200G

Rookie
I would suggest Babolat Super Fine play @ 45 t0 50 lbs MAX. You will be surprised how good it feels.
 
I think Babolat Duralast at 62.

Kidding. I have four or five wooden sticks I use once or twice a month, just for fun rallies and drills. Even to warm up or to hit with my wife.
Wilson Kramer Pro Staff, Dunlop Maxply, Wilson Advantage, Slazenger Challenge No. 1, a couple of Dunlop Maxply McEnroes.

Gut at 55. Like buttah.

Gut at 50. Downright powerful.

Off wood for a moment, but for the sheer pleasure of controlling the heck out of a tennis ball: The Dunlop Max 200g with Volkl Power Fiber 18 in it at 55/52. Or gut at the same tension. Unreal feel and control.
 

anirut

Legend
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Thanks, Slice. I don't think I can afford gut.

I've suggested to a Thai tennis webboard that I wanted to start a "Wood Clinic", like once a month, bringing wood rackets to let the younger generations get that feel of wood. This will allow them to learn more from their own strokes, where they go wrong. This suggestion is being very well accepted.

So, I don't think I can afford gut in four rackets just to let "others" play.
 

superstition

Hall of Fame
Don't use 16 gauge in a standard wood. It's too thick. If you want the "feel of wood", use a decent 17 gauge multi or gut at a pretty low tension.
 

anirut

Legend
^^
Thanks, Super.

But multis are still expensive here. In fact, ALL strings are VERY expensive here ... sad.

I'll see if "someone" would care to help sponsor the strings for this project ...
 
stringing woodies

I'm thinking about having my mint JK ProStaff & JK Autograph strung up and play with some of the younger people, just to let them know the feel of wood.

What string & tension would you suggest to be suitable for these sticks? Objective is that they should be able to be used to play "competitive-style" tennis of today. Just the style, not in a real competition.

Thirty years ago I used to have them with syn gut up to 60 lbs!! Don't wana use that tension again with these delicate babies.

Thanks for your suggestions.


FOR BP: I have the Maxply Mc too, but as I have only one, it will never be used for playing ... ;)

Anirut:
I'm using a Bosworth wood/graphite hybrid (when not using my Redondo). I string it at 50 pounds with NRG2 18 gauge. You might want a 17 or even 16-ga. and a slightly higher tension with your JK Sig.

Good luck,
Jeffrey
 
PS: If you send your mailing address to my personal email, I will send you some NRG or other multis just for fun--no charge. - jeffrey
 
which graphite/wood frame would that be?
Um, hang on while I look...It's the "ATP/Fox Mid Wood." The gray racquet with red and white pinstripes. Like it a lot. Got to go now, but send me an email if you have more questions. I will be gone until Tuesday-next. Cheers.
 

blackfrido

Hall of Fame
I just bought a brand new Pro Kennex Golden Ace [never played] and I would like to restring it....what do you guys suggest for this awesome racquet?
 
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jorel

Hall of Fame
i really like the leoina string in there..nice and sticky/soft works well in wood

i tried high quality multi and even gut (gave it a different almost too poppy feel) but prefered the cheap "classic" leoinna

really nice feel,,,, wish we would all go back to wood... lets start a petition with all racquet companies to only make wood racquets from now on and in about 50 yrs.... all the graphite racquets will have been used up and we can all start going back to wood again
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
I'm thinking about having my mint JK ProStaff & JK Autograph strung up and play with some of the younger people, just to let them know the feel of wood.

What string & tension would you suggest to be suitable for these sticks? Objective is that they should be able to be used to play "competitive-style" tennis of today. Just the style, not in a real competition.

Thirty years ago I used to have them with syn gut up to 60 lbs!! Don't wana use that tension again with these delicate babies.

Thanks for your suggestions.

FOR BP: I have the Maxply Mc too, but as I have only one, it will never be used for playing ... ;)
I used the kramer auto. from 1965 to 1982 and always had them strung with gut at 55 lbs. for me perfect. one of the things about the wood kramer autos. were that it could take all kinds of tension. thats why it was so popular with rec. players and advanced eg. pros. 55 would be perfect for someone to get the feel of what it was like to play with a kramer autograph.
 

anirut

Legend
really nice feel,,,, wish we would all go back to wood... lets start a petition with all racquet companies to only make wood racquets from now on and in about 50 yrs.... all the graphite racquets will have been used up and we can all start going back to wood again
GreenPeace will then come screaming at tennis tournaments ... HAHA ...
 

anirut

Legend
Kirko, thanks for your suggestion.

I hope syn gut or multi comes out fine at 55 as well. Just can't afford gut ...
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
Kirko, thanks for your suggestion.

I hope syn gut or multi comes out fine at 55 as well. Just can't afford gut ...
I've also used nylon eg. stuff like blue star and leonia 66 (in black graphite) it was actually a very nice string. they played marvelously. I never strayed from that 55 pound tension. 55 was rec. by my the first guy who gave me and my sister lessons Butch Buchholz he taught at the club my parents belonged to and he was dead on. Happy hitting!!!!
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I just bought a brand new Pro Kennex Gloden Ace [never played] and I would to restring it....what do you guys suggest for this awesome racquet?
Any natural gut at 55-60.

I've also used nylon eg. stuff like blue star and leonia 66 (in black graphite) it was actually a very nice string. they played marvelously. I never strayed from that 55 pound tension. 55 was rec. by my the first guy who gave me and my sister lessons Butch Buchholz he taught at the club my parents belonged to and he was dead on. Happy hitting!!!!
Dang that sounds familiar. I strung mine at 58 because that's the year I was born and I knew I'd remember it. I did experiment with some higher tensions, all the way up to 65 in my Kramer ProStaffs, but in the end, 58 was the tension that I used in wood for the majority of my life with wood.
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
Thanks Kirko, my grip size is L3/ 4 3/8 but please let me know if you do come across one.
I will .I'm going to the pro shop where I get my racktes strung and you would not believe what customers bring in to "give" to the owner (they don't want it anymore). he has a barrel of wood frames in mostly very nice condition. I get 20% off what I buy and he has given me frames from that "cast-off" bin when I ask. so that being said if I can get it gratis I'll send it off like that only shipping.
 

jayserinos99

Hall of Fame
I will .I'm going to the pro shop where I get my racktes strung and you would not believe what customers bring in to "give" to the owner (they don't want it anymore). he has a barrel of wood frames in mostly very nice condition. I get 20% off what I buy and he has given me frames from that "cast-off" bin when I ask. so that being said if I can get it gratis I'll send it off like that only shipping.
Sweet! Yes, if the PK Golden Ace, Snauwaert La Grande or Fox ATP Pro is there in a L3, let me know as well! THanks!
 

GPB

Professional
I've got an old National (NSG?) Grand Prix stick. Has anyone heard of this brand, I can't find anything on the internetz about it.

Thanks!

Also, since it's got "cracking lines" in the throat, should I forget about hitting with it?
 
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jayserinos99

Hall of Fame
I will .I'm going to the pro shop where I get my racktes strung and you would not believe what customers bring in to "give" to the owner (they don't want it anymore). he has a barrel of wood frames in mostly very nice condition. I get 20% off what I buy and he has given me frames from that "cast-off" bin when I ask. so that being said if I can get it gratis I'll send it off like that only shipping.
Hi Kirko, any response from the pro shop? I'm still looking for another Edgewood or PK Golden Ace, Snauwaert La Grande or Fox ATP Pro in a L3...

As an update, I got my first Edgewood today; I plan on hitting with it some time this weekend. It's in pretty good condition, no cracks or warps although you can tell it's been storage for a while. It has some nylon in it and the dynamic tension reads 28, which for a mid is at 36 lbs strung it seems. I string my frames fairly low anyway so it shouldn't be too bad.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Why dont you see if they still make some of the strings that were used back in the wood days? that way, everything would be the same as it was. Back then, the 3 most popular synthetic strings were Blue Spiral, Leiona66, and Leiona Oil Filled. Dont know if they are still making any of those, but there were limited choices back then.
Lots of people strung their wooden frames at 57 back then. The stringing machines didnt string as tightly as the current better machines
Disagree that learning to use wooden racquets is very beneficial for learning to use modern racquets..usually impedes and frustrates rather than aids learning
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
Hi Kirko, any response from the pro shop? I'm still looking for another Edgewood or PK Golden Ace, Snauwaert La Grande or Fox ATP Pro in a L3...

As an update, I got my first Edgewood today; I plan on hitting with it some time this weekend. It's in pretty good condition, no cracks or warps although you can tell it's been storage for a while. It has some nylon in it and the dynamic tension reads 28, which for a mid is at 36 lbs strung it seems. I string my frames fairly low anyway so it shouldn't be too bad.
Jay, going over there day after Memorial Day. will check the bin.
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
Why dont you see if they still make some of the strings that were used back in the wood days? that way, everything would be the same as it was. Back then, the 3 most popular synthetic strings were Blue Spiral, Leiona66, and Leiona Oil Filled. Dont know if they are still making any of those, but there were limited choices back then.
Lots of people strung their wooden frames at 57 back then. The stringing machines didnt string as tightly as the current better machines
Disagree that learning to use wooden racquets is very beneficial for learning to use modern racquets..usually impedes and frustrates rather than aids learning
agree! when I started in 1965 it was a real struggle to learn tennis. you or I should say at least I had to bear down and learn and no real immediate sensation of accomplishment. wood rackets are just for fun now and I don't see how they help today in learning tennis.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
NBM and Kirko,

Is this the Blue Spiral you're talking about?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACPACIFIC-PBS16.html

Also, Leoina 66 is still being made:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACGAMMA-LEO.html

What do you guys think about Leoina 77?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACGAMMA-LEO77.html
yo. no..Blue Spiral was pretty much the generic synthetic string back then..it was the really cheap basic string.

have no experience w. Leoina77

interesting they still make the 66. i would just put that one in and with the wood, you will have something identical to what was used back in the day. it's not a bad string
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
NBM and Kirko,

Is this the Blue Spiral you're talking about?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACPACIFIC-PBS16.html

Also, Leoina 66 is still being made:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACGAMMA-LEO.html

What do you guys think about Leoina 77?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACGAMMA-LEO77.html
yes on blue spiral also victor made a spiral string. I've used leoina 66 and 77. both okay. leoina made a black graphite string that I used and I thought it was a nice string eg. held tension and had a bit more power than the other leoina.
 

anirut

Legend
Disagree that learning to use wooden racquets is very beneficial for learning to use modern racquets..usually impedes and frustrates rather than aids learning
Thanks for your input, Mojo.

Yes, I understand that. The Wood Clinic idea is not a serious drill with wood or anything of that sort. It's just a chance that the younger kids can get to play with wood, just for fun at least. It's not going be carried out every week or every month. May be like twice or thrice a year at most.

But, all in all, I still think they can learn something out of it. May not be totally useful to the modern game but may help them with some ideas on certain strokes.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for your input, Mojo.

Yes, I understand that. The Wood Clinic idea is not a serious drill with wood or anything of that sort. It's just a chance that the younger kids can get to play with wood, just for fun at least. It's not going be carried out every week or every month. May be like twice or thrice a year at most.

But, all in all, I still think they can learn something out of it. May not be totally useful to the modern game but may help them with some ideas on certain strokes.
that sounds like fun. i used to do a yearly wine and wood exhibition (play with wood and then drink a lot of wine). those were well received. it's amazing how you can call on old muscle memory to make the wood work. grips become milder, swing path becomes milder, stance becomes neutral, weight transfer to get power, shot selection becomes different, points are played differently, etc. the guys with the extreme forehand grips were a source of amusement as they could barely make contact on the forehand...kinda like trying to hit topspin forehands playing racquetball w. an old racquetball racquet.
 

anirut

Legend
... the guys with the extreme forehand grips were a source of amusement as they could barely make contact on the forehand...kinda like trying to hit topspin forehands playing racquetball w. an old racquetball racquet.
That's exactly what happened to a Thai board member who tried playing wood with me for the first time! Well, he's a young lad. He has then learnt the value of playing with wood and he's helping me sponsor the Wood Clinic project.
 

jayserinos99

Hall of Fame
So I just finished playing 2 sets of dubs with the Edgewood. Coming from my Prestige Classic 600, the biggest difference to me was the upper hoop stiffness. If I hit the upper hoop, the ball goes nowhere. I will say that once I adjusted, my groundies and serves were still solid and I had great touch on the volleys although I didn't have that putaway pop unless I struck the ball dead center and with a full weight shift into the volley. Once I went back to the Prestige, it felt fairly big and overpowered; I kept hitting balls about a foot long.

FYI: the Edgewood is basically a wooden version of the Graphite Edge, which is 81 sq. in. Not necessarily a big difference from 89 sq. in. that the Prestige is.
 

VGP

Legend
Wait a minute, in anirut's original post, did he say that he was going to string up mint JK PS and Autographs?

The collector in me cries out blasphemy!

You can get used, good condition "player's" condition frames for cheap....
 

VGP

Legend
I wouldn't mind seeing some pics.... I might consider it.

(you can send to my email through my profile)
 

anirut

Legend
I wouldn't mind seeing some pics.... I might consider it.

(you can send to my email through my profile)
They -- lots and lots of 'em -- are on racks and in a show case in a shop here in BKK. I don't think they'll allow me to take any pic. Shops in BKK are like that. But, trust me, they are brand new (not just mint) and hung away from termites.

I was really surprised to see things like the JK's, Slaz Challenge, the Legacy (this thing is very expensive), the Ultra PWS (first Ultra) and some others still available brand new.
 
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