Working out at home is better.

Flootoo

Rookie
Gotta say it does indeed beat the gym. @TheGhostOfAgassi and I are both in better shape than before coronavirus and gym 3x a week.
I can assure you the discs makes it more effective.
I think a lot of people want to thank you for the encouragement and the example.
I have a gym at work, so I am in there 3 or 4 times a week, right before work, or after work, sometimes during, to work on shoulder issues. Physiotherapy. The kettlebell class looked good, so I joined up.

Now though, I've bought a skipping rope, I've got dumbbells at home, and a chinup bar. Making a medicine ball next out of a basketball.
 

WilPro

Rookie
I don't know about you guys, but I found out that gym type of workouts (at home or at the gym) are not the best for tennis.

During lockout I practiced at home, working mostly on stamina and staying in shape. And when I went to the court, my 4 hour straight tennis drill had to stop after 2 hours and 15 mins. I was like a flat tire.

It took me 2 weeks to recover, especially the feet needed time. I push a lot with my feet on every shot: on forehand, on backhand and on serves.
Now I am back on track and even added more weight to my racquet. Moved from 550 grams to 575 gr.

Also building mass is not good for tennis.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't know about you guys, but I found out that gym type of workouts (at home or at the gym) are not the best for tennis.

During lockout I practiced at home, working mostly on stamina and staying in shape. And when I went to the court, my 4 hour straight tennis drill had to stop after 2 hours and 15 mins. I was like a flat tire.

It took me 2 weeks to recover, especially the feet needed time. I push a lot with my feet on every shot: on forehand, on backhand and on serves.
Now I am back on track and even added more weight to my racquet. Moved from 550 grams to 575 gr.

Also building mass is not good for tennis.
To put too much muscle on the body when doing an endurance sport like tennis is not good at all. But some is needed. It’s to find a good balance. Top athletes like Rafa and Ronaldo had to go down on muscle mass because of the extra weight muscles brings and it’s too hard on the joints. Bodybuilding itself is a very unhealthy “sport”, the most winning bodybuilder can’t hardly walk in the age of 50 and often uses a wheelchair.
Using weights seem to create muscle mass places not natural for the movement in endurance sports and can lead to injuries as well. Andy Murray is an example of that. Got too big for his body frame. And the way he was building was at the gym. You can see a difference on a body if you use your own weight for the exercise or using weights/machines.
I’ve had PT at the gym, but they don’t know so much about injuries, so I got worse. In fact my impression is many out there that means well but not enough education and experience and can make bad go worse. We have to know our own bodies, be careful with it as well when doing repetitive exercises.
Walking or swimming is something we are made to do, not lifting weights up and down all the time. Having said that most people don’t have injures because of sports, many aren’t really fit either, so for them workout in general is probably good.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Basketball is a great cardio workout. Probably too much impact on joints for the elderly, though.
It's pretty rough on the spine too. I played in my 20s and had a turnaround jumper but it really aggravated a back injury. I imagine that it would be rough on the ankles and knees at my age today. I do see older people play at the YMCA and they go at it pretty hard but there's no jumping with that age group.
 

Turbo-87

Hall of Fame
I don't know about you guys, but I found out that gym type of workouts (at home or at the gym) are not the best for tennis.

During lockout I practiced at home, working mostly on stamina and staying in shape. And when I went to the court, my 4 hour straight tennis drill had to stop after 2 hours and 15 mins. I was like a flat tire.

It took me 2 weeks to recover, especially the feet needed time. I push a lot with my feet on every shot: on forehand, on backhand and on serves.
Now I am back on track and even added more weight to my racquet. Moved from 550 grams to 575 gr.

Also building mass is not good for tennis.
I'd agree with that. Tennis isn't paying my bills and I still have fun with it, but it is not a priority for me. Tennis is just a fun thing and I certainly don't train specifically for it. :) If tennis was paying my bills, I'd be living in a box.
 

WilPro

Rookie
I'd agree with that. Tennis isn't paying my bills and I still have fun with it, but it is not a priority for me. Tennis is just a fun thing and I certainly don't train specifically for it. :) If tennis was paying my bills, I'd be living in a box.
I guess you're a body builder.
 

Turbo-87

Hall of Fame
Gyms opened here yesterday for the first time in 14 weeks. Had a better workout yesterday than any of the 14 weeks I was under house arrest. Gym will always be better for me.
I am pretty sore after the past few days. :) I was a little nervous since a lot of people have no self-awareness for the new normal in terms of spacing and wiping things down. It isn't as "fun" as pre-covid since there is a lot to worry about and be conscious of. I kept second guessing myself wondering if I am doing the right thing.

I will always contend that you can't say a home workout is better than a gym workout in all cases. It depends on the definition of a workout. I'm not putting anyone down, just putting some perspective on it.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Gyms opened here yesterday for the first time in 14 weeks. Had a better workout yesterday than any of the 14 weeks I was under house arrest. Gym will always be better for me.
I closed my Planet Fitness membership today as today was their opening day. I still have memberships at the YMCA (three clubs) and the two gyms in the office. But those are all closed right now. I'll continue working out at home as best as I can. I'm not big into building strength so it should be fine.

It's good to hear people doing what they like most though.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I am pretty sore after the past few days. :)
I will always contend that you can't say a home workout is better than a gym workout in all cases. It depends on the definition of a workout. I'm not putting anyone down, just putting some perspective on it.
It also depends on what you have at home. If you have $100K for a home gym along with the space - I'd go for that any day of the week. I think that I can do quite well with a budget of $5K but I'm not getting a cage or some of the other things that I have at the office.
 

Turbo-87

Hall of Fame
It also depends on what you have at home. If you have $100K for a home gym along with the space - I'd go for that any day of the week. I think that I can do quite well with a budget of $5K but I'm not getting a cage or some of the other things that I have at the office.
For sure. I don't need the gym for the social aspect, although it is nice to just be out of the house around humans. I lack the room to have what I need and I'd rather pay my $25/mo to use nice stuff that someone else has to repair when it breaks.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
For sure. I don't need the gym for the social aspect, although it is nice to just be out of the house around humans. I lack the room to have what I need and I'd rather pay my $25/mo to use nice stuff that someone else has to repair when it breaks.
This is why I bought a Keiser M3i. The thing is designed to be used 8 hours a day, 365 days a year. I will be using it a small fraction of that so I don't ever expect to have to repair it.It's one of the more inexpensive options for cardio at $2,100. A club treadmill would be at least $5k.
 

T1000

Legend
I am pretty sore after the past few days. :) I was a little nervous since a lot of people have no self-awareness for the new normal in terms of spacing and wiping things down. It isn't as "fun" as pre-covid since there is a lot to worry about and be conscious of. I kept second guessing myself wondering if I am doing the right thing.

I will always contend that you can't say a home workout is better than a gym workout in all cases. It depends on the definition of a workout. I'm not putting anyone down, just putting some perspective on it.
I go at peak time (6pm after work) and yesterday there was about 30-40 people compared to the precovid 250-300 people. The regulars at my gym are pretty good didn’t have any problems yesterday and the staff was pretty relaxed.

People lifting for general health can easily make it work at home. I train for powerlifting and strongman now so having machines to take the stress off my stabilizers after heavy free weight work is extremely helpful. Also having a crew that will pick you up when you’re not feeling as strong helps. If I wasn’t feeling it at home I would just quit grab some beers and watch tv or play video games

I closed my Planet Fitness membership today as today was their opening day. I still have memberships at the YMCA (three clubs) and the two gyms in the office. But those are all closed right now. I'll continue working out at home as best as I can. I'm not big into building strength so it should be fine.

It's good to hear people doing what they like most though.
I don’t blame you for canceling them. I remember you talking about the health issues youve had in the past and I wouldn’t risk it either.
 

Turbo-87

Hall of Fame
People lifting for general health can easily make it work at home. I train for powerlifting and strongman now so having machines to take the stress off my stabilizers after heavy free weight work is extremely helpful. Also having a crew that will pick you up when you’re not feeling as strong helps. If I wasn’t feeling it at home I would just quit grab some beers and watch tv or play video games
I'd agree. I train for bodybuilding so I really need access to a lot of different things. I used to power lift but my frame just couldn't take it so I had to change direction a little bit. There is just more motivation going to the gym because if I am going to drive there, I had better do something with that time. Working out at home works for some for sure, just not everyone.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Drove by Planet Fitness and there were a lot of cars in the parking lot. So I guess people are back to gyms.

We have 919 active infections in my state and the numbers are dropping fast. So I think that people are comfortable in the gym - with precautions.
 

Turbo-87

Hall of Fame
Mine is busy in the morning, but more with classes than weight training. There is a boot camp class in a large glassed off room that has at least 30 people in it where they run around and rotate through different stations doing the assigned exercise and then run to the next. There is absolutely no social distancing whatsoever in there. The weight room is made up of people who work out alone and seem to be pretty self-aware. There are a few pods of lifters who ignore social distancing and hang on each other for selfies and lifting videos or talking about what protein powder they are on this week. A lot of people don't wipe down their equipment even though it is required.

All in all, I feel like I am doing all I can to manage my own risk with wiping things down before/after and using the many hand sanitizer stations they have. I am super conscious of not touching my face and I am focused so I can get in there and get out of there. Our numbers just seem to consistently rise as with past months. Infections trend upwards and fear trends downwards. I know it is still risky for me but I have weighed that against the physical/mental benefit. I still wear a mask and limit where I go daily to protect others but looking at current trends, I am quite certain I will get “it” somehow no matter how careful I am.
 
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Connorsfan

New User
Working out at home is fine for general fitness and some conditioning. But unless you have a well stocked gym at home you’re not making real progress on strength training. There is a hard ceiling on strength gains from body weight exercises. If push-ups are your only pushing exercise, that’s because you are so unfit that a basic calisthenic is challenging. In a month you should be able to do 25-50 of them. Strong people should bench press 150% of their body weight, squat 2x and deadlift an even more. You are not pulling 400lbs+ off the ground by doing pull-ups. I know plenty of rock climbers that can do 35 pull-ups without breaking a sweat and they’re not strong, they are just efficient at that movement. Starting Strength or The Strongest Shall Survive, a 300lb Olympic weight set, barbell, power cage and the courage to climb under that heavily loaded barbell are the foundation of a strength training program.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Working out at home is fine for general fitness and some conditioning. But unless you have a well stocked gym at home you’re not making real progress on strength training. There is a hard ceiling on strength gains from body weight exercises. If push-ups are your only pushing exercise, that’s because you are so unfit that a basic calisthenic is challenging. In a month you should be able to do 25-50 of them. Strong people should bench press 150% of their body weight, squat 2x and deadlift an even more. You are not pulling 400lbs+ off the ground by doing pull-ups. I know plenty of rock climbers that can do 35 pull-ups without breaking a sweat and they’re not strong, they are just efficient at that movement. Starting Strength or The Strongest Shall Survive, a 300lb Olympic weight set, barbell, power cage and the courage to climb under that heavily loaded barbell are the foundation of a strength training program.
I don’t mind not being able to pull 400 lbs off the ground. As long as I can climb a tree to escape when a grizzly bear chases me, I’m good.
 

T1000

Legend
Drove by Planet Fitness and there were a lot of cars in the parking lot. So I guess people are back to gyms.

We have 919 active infections in my state and the numbers are dropping fast. So I think that people are comfortable in the gym - with precautions.
In CT no one is going. It's actually pretty nice for me though lol. I go at 6 after work during peak time and pre-virus there was roughly 300 people there. Now there's maybe 40 at most.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
In CT no one is going. It's actually pretty nice for me though lol. I go at 6 after work during peak time and pre-virus there was roughly 300 people there. Now there's maybe 40 at most.
More than 200 Planet Fitness gym-goers asked to quarantine after 1 tests positive for COVID-19
More than 200 people who visited a Planet Fitness location in Morgantown, West Virginia are being asked to self-quarantine for at least 14 days after a guest tested positive for COVID-19.

According to the Lexington Herald Leader, Planet Fitness officials are asking guests who visited between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. on June 24 to quarantine and monitor their symptoms. A statement from the fitness chain indicated that "we are not aware of any additional members or team members reporting symptoms at this time."


PLNT was down 3.4% today.
 

EddieBrock

Professional
With home workouts what do you guys think of body weight ones vs. dumbells vs. boxflex/total gym? I actually have all of them and never know what to do. I've been doing push ups/pullups and then dumbells for shoulders and arms and only using the total gym for abs and the bowflex for tricep pull down. My goal is primarily to lose weight, but also get toned.
 

yossarian

Rookie
With home workouts what do you guys think of body weight ones vs. dumbells vs. boxflex/total gym? I actually have all of them and never know what to do. I've been doing push ups/pullups and then dumbells for shoulders and arms and only using the total gym for abs and the bowflex for tricep pull down. My goal is primarily to lose weight, but also get toned.
I'm going to say it doesn't really matter. If you're training for a specific sport, then more functional, sport specific movements are better. For instance, if you're a figure skater who does a lot of single leg movements, then something like a single leg squat or deadlift will be more functional than a leg extension exercise on a machine

In your case, it doesn't really matter. As long as you're taxing the muscle it will respond
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
With home workouts what do you guys think of body weight ones vs. dumbells vs. boxflex/total gym? I actually have all of them and never know what to do. I've been doing push ups/pullups and then dumbells for shoulders and arms and only using the total gym for abs and the bowflex for tricep pull down. My goal is primarily to lose weight, but also get toned.
That sounds fine to me. My guess is that you're doing more than the vast majority of tennis players out there.

I do bodyweight and dumbbells/barbells. I would do more if I had more equipment. One Planet Fitness gym had a COVID cases so they sent out messages to 200 members to quarantine for 14 days. That's enough to keep me out of the gym. I don't want to get sick or even have to quarantine for two weeks if I can avoid it.

WalMart had 10-pound weight plates in. They had four and I ordered the four. These will be for the dumbbells which have 2.5s, 5s, and 7.5s and they don't fit well and we have to tighten the sleeve all the time because it's hanging off the end.

I want two more 25-pound plates for the barbell. I expect them to show up in the next week or two.

The plates are $7.77 each. They were $9.99 pre-pandemic. My guess is that the hoarders are dishoarding weight plates now and depressing prices.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Just got an email from WalMart - the order was cancelled. It appears that someone took them from the store before their curbside pickup could fetch them. So they will post a refund. I will keep trying this approach. It beats driving there and finding none when I arrive. They need a real-time order processing system.
 

EddieBrock

Professional
I'm going to say it doesn't really matter. If you're training for a specific sport, then more functional, sport specific movements are better. For instance, if you're a figure skater who does a lot of single leg movements, then something like a single leg squat or deadlift will be more functional than a leg extension exercise on a machine

In your case, it doesn't really matter. As long as you're taxing the muscle it will respond
I was thinking maybe an incline chest fly or bench press may work different muscles than doing pushups. Like I said I'm sort of training for tennis, but I mainly need to lose my belly fat.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I was thinking maybe an incline chest fly or bench press may work different muscles than doing pushups. Like I said I'm sort of training for tennis, but I mainly need to lose my belly fat.
I bought a flat bench for $250 about 30 years ago - same model as at my office gym. The thing is a tank. They have models for incline/decline as well, probably another $100 or $150 in dollars from long ago.
 

onehandbh

Legend
Good to see you are both exercising so much at home.

Love to see a video of you two doing chinups, as this is a difficult exercise for most people —especially women. Many I know are so intimidated by it that they won’t even attempt it bc they think it is just too hard to do.
Can you make the video? I want to show it to a few people I know that refuse to even try to do a single one b/c they think it is just too hard and nearly impossible for most ordinary women unless they are a gymnast or something like that.
 

Connorsfan

New User
I was thinking maybe an incline chest fly or bench press may work different muscles than doing pushups. Like I said I'm sort of training for tennis, but I mainly need to lose my belly fat.
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Flat bench and pushups are very similar, but you are obviously limited in your strength gains if you only do push-ups. Bench pressing allows for progressive increases in the weight used, so you will get stronger. But start with pushups, when you can do 20-25, starting benching. You don’t need to do 50 push-ups unless you are preparing to go to Parris Island. Incline benching brings in more anterior deltoid, which can be a plus. Stronger shoulders are good. Flyes work the pectoral muscle differently than pressing. Based on your goals, you probably don’t need them, but they’re still a quality exercise. Belly fat is a tough but to crack. Exercise will play a role, but diet is the driver. Got to cut out the processed stuff, high glycemic index foods and get your protein, slow carbs and fiber. Good luck, get it done.
 

EddieBrock

Professional
With pushups I can do like 20 and then start to wobble and bit and can get to 25, but not with good form. What I've been doing is alternating pushups and pullups and trying to keep the same # all the way through and I'm doing 6 sets with different kinds of pushups/pullups.

I started with 14 pushups, 5 pullups (with assistance band). After a month I'm doing 16 pushups, 6 pullups, but struggle with the pullups towards the end.

I can definitely do 25 pushups, but I can't do many sets of that many. Maybe just 1 or 2.

For the belly fat I'm down from 183 to 178 (high to low) the past month and am very happy about it. Besides the exercise I cut out having so much juice and got rid of my afternoon snacks. Still a ways to go to get back to the 170 I was a few years ago.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
With pushups I can do like 20 and then start to wobble and bit and can get to 25, but not with good form. What I've been doing is alternating pushups and pullups and trying to keep the same # all the way through and I'm doing 6 sets with different kinds of pushups/pullups.

I started with 14 pushups, 5 pullups (with assistance band). After a month I'm doing 16 pushups, 6 pullups, but struggle with the pullups towards the end.

I can definitely do 25 pushups, but I can't do many sets of that many. Maybe just 1 or 2.

For the belly fat I'm down from 183 to 178 (high to low) the past month and am very happy about it. Besides the exercise I cut out having so much juice and got rid of my afternoon snacks. Still a ways to go to get back to the 170 I was a few years ago.
Keep losing weight and you'll be able to do more of both.
 

Connorsfan

New User
With pushups I can do like 20 and then start to wobble and bit and can get to 25, but not with good form. What I've been doing is alternating pushups and pullups and trying to keep the same # all the way through and I'm doing 6 sets with different kinds of pushups/pullups.

I started with 14 pushups, 5 pullups (with assistance band). After a month I'm doing 16 pushups, 6 pullups, but struggle with the pullups towards the end.

I can definitely do 25 pushups, but I can't do many sets of that many. Maybe just 1 or 2.

For the belly fat I'm down from 183 to 178 (high to low) the past month and am very happy about it. Besides the exercise I cut out having so much juice and got rid of my afternoon snacks. Still a ways to go to get back to the 170 I was a few years ago.
There are push-ups and pull-ups workout plans available for free online. Recon Ron is the one we all used to get to 20 dead hang pull-ups for the PFT. At your # of push-ups you have basically exhausted their usefulness. Twenty push-ups is now your warm up before you start benching. Your pull-ups will also increase as your BMI comes down, so you still have improvement coming there.
 
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Just checking in I now do upper body one day (pullups, pushups) and lower body the next (medicine ball squats and calf raises) about 30 minutes a day 7 days a week.

Weighing around 180 pounds (82 kg) with low bodyfat. Honestly it is working better for me than 4 days a week in the gym for an hour.
 
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