Worse Choking? Daniil historic double or Wimbledon 40-15?

Which was worse?

  • Federer 40-15 at Wimbledon 2019

    Votes: 55 53.9%

  • Medvedev AO 22 & 24

    Votes: 18 17.6%

  • Coria 2004 French

    Votes: 29 28.4%
  • Total voters
    102
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On its own the greatest choke job in tennis history is undoubtedly 2019 Wimbledon on serve double Championship point.

However Daniil Medvedev has etched himself in the record books as the first man to TWICE lose a Slam Final leading 2-0. His opponents were 35 year old dragged out Nadal and Jannik Sinner in first Final.

I also can't help being annoyed by the Sim engine trolling us as this is the 3rd time a Medvedev has lost up 2-0 in a Slam Final whereas we don't even have the same first name for all the other chokers (Ivan, Guillermo, Alex, John, Roger, Manuel, Stefanos)
 
People missing the point of Medvedev having 2 matches. On their own they aren't matching Fed or Coria but combined in the history books. That's why I voted for Medvedev because I don't think we'll ever see this again. Yes Zverev & Tsitsipas are still active but stats say no.

Krish872007 said:
Coria 2004 RG Final
Zverev US Open 2020 Final - no idea why this isn't a poll option

Nothing else comes close to these two
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2020 USO was played in an empty stadium where the clear favourite was disqualified. The entire event should be forgotten completely.
MeatTornado said:
As bad as both of Med's losses were, he was never nearly as close to victory as Federer was in 2019.
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That's not the point.
 
BGod said:
People missing the point of Medvedev having 2 matches. On their own they aren't matching Fed or Coria but combined in the history books. That's why I voted for Medvedev because I don't think we'll ever see this again. Yes Zverev & Tsitsipas are still active but stats say no.


2020 USO was played in an empty stadium where the clear favourite was disqualified. The entire event should be forgotten completely.

That's not the point.
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Tell it to Federer!
:laughing::giggle:
 
BGod said:
People missing the point of Medvedev having 2 matches. On their own they aren't matching Fed or Coria but combined in the history books. That's why I voted for Medvedev because I don't think we'll ever see this again. Yes Zverev & Tsitsipas are still active but stats say no.


2020 USO was played in an empty stadium where the clear favourite was disqualified. The entire event should be forgotten completely.

That's not the point.
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I'm aware, thank you. I still think being a point away hurts more than being a set away twice. A set is a hell of a lot of tennis. Usually 4 to 6 holds away, and Federer wasn't even a hold away. He was a single point.
 
Fed's accolades and image in the eyes of the peasants probably suffered the most, but he essentially played sub-optimally for a handful of points. A far cry from choking away a >hour advantage over multiple sets imo. Fed did that too in the end but almost exclusively when he was extinct.

There's also the idea of choking the entire occasion and getting rekt but most don't count that under the 'choke' umbrella; or at least a 'clutch' and 'mental strength' separation is erected to maintain the cannon fire in one direction as appropriate.
 
Sorry but where did medvedev and federer choke? Rafa and sinner outplayed medvedev over 5 sets. Federer got tired. Coria was a choke
 
Danni did not choke. Yes his level fell slightly in last couple of sets most likely due to sheer physical and mental fatigue and no wonder.

He is not super human and all that extra court time (effectively equivalent of 2 extra matches before final) caught up with him, But he was still playing well it was just that Sinner really started to play superb as well.
 
I don’t see the choking with Daniil.
Both times his opponent started nervous so he won the first two.
Both times his opponent raised his level after the first two.
Both times daniil was more fatigued
 
Coria is unbeatable. It just didn't have the same historic significance as 40-15, but it was the worst choke imo.
 
jl809 said:
AO 22 was a choke by Nadal in set 2 and in both of Med’s losses he wasn’t the better player overall imo
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Gold medal is still Fed, silver for Coria
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Federer was in his late thirties, had won 20 slams and out played Novak for most of the match. Also, Djokovic was an ATG player, six years younger than Roger. Federer did not fold after losing that 40-15 game but played well enough to make Novak play his best to earn the win. Therefore: Coria, Medvedev, then Federer.
 
Federer should never have been in the 40-15 position in the first place.

2-1 down in sets, a break down early in the 5th, all against an opponent 6 years his junior.

He should have closed it out but he also should have lost in 3 or 4 sets all things considered - there was plenty of choking happening on the other side of the net, except that guy had every advantage.
 
Hood_Man said:
Federer should never have been in the 40-15 position in the first place.

2-1 down in sets, a break down early in the 5th, all against an opponent 6 years his junior.

He should have closed it out but he also should have lost in 3 or 4 sets all things considered - there was plenty of choking happening on the other side of the net, except that guy had every advantage.
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The real choke happened in the breakers. Those used to be Fed's specialty against anyone.
 
You have to watch Coria's match live to believe it. I did. Believe me, it was the biggest choke job in history. He completely utterly mentally collapsed and his opponent had nothing to do with it. This was literally snatching defeat from jaws of victory. If I were him, it would haunt me until the end of time.

Coria's choke job, nothing comes close. It makes Med and Fed 40-15 fiasco pale in comparison.
 
MichaelNadal said:
What was the Coria score before the choke?
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Phase 1 - leading 6-0, 6-3, 4-4 and 40-0 up on serve in the 3rd set. Proceeds to drop serve and lose the third set 6-4, a d the 4th set 6-1.
The next phase involved being up a double break in the 5th set, serving for the match twice and having 2 Championship Points.

Nothing else comes close to this botched job
 
As a choke intrinsically for itself, it was Coria's.
For the significance of the match, it was Fed's.
Medvedev's 2 don't come close, and between both, 2022's was worse, as he was closer to victory.
 
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watched that match with gaudio live on tv, ofc didnt know at all who are they lol, but was rootin for gaudio dunno why exactly, maybe coz seemed more likeable guy, also one moment i remember is coria whether was playin possum or was it really some issues with his health/some injury, hmm
 
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