Worst calls in any slam ever?

mikeeeee

Professional
Not exactly sure which forum this goes in but whatever, mods can move it.

This US open had the worst calls I’ve ever seen in a grand slam, and probably of any top tier tournament. It was pretty painful especially with how much money they’re playing for (ok sure and legacy but let’s get real, $3m for first is serious cash). I really hope they do move to Hawkeye live next year. I’m sorry that linesman will be out if a job but it just has to be done.

I know this is just another step towards Skynet taking over and eliminating us as the inhabitants on this planet but it seems totally worth it after what I just saw over the last 2 weeks.
 

Cupcake

Semi-Pro
On hard courts, and perhaps grass, they'll go over to all Hawkeye in majors. If nothing else, it saves time. As well as fewer people standing around on the court.

Is it possible to use it on clay? So much dirt gets on the lines. Or is it accurate irrespective of whether the lines are clean or not. The ball leaves some sort of mark on clay, so maybe it's not needed as much. Though at times that mark can be difficult to decipher.
 
F

FRV3

Guest
On hard courts, and perhaps grass, they'll go over to all Hawkeye in majors. If nothing else, it saves time. As well as fewer people standing around on the court.

Is it possible to use it on clay? So much dirt gets on the lines. Or is it accurate irrespective of whether the lines are clean or not.
IIRC they use it at some clay tournaments not named RG
NVM this is wrong I think. But I think they could use it and just don't want to pay for it.
 

mikeeeee

Professional
On hard courts, and perhaps grass, they'll go over to all Hawkeye in majors. If nothing else, it saves time. As well as fewer people standing around on the court.

Is it possible to use it on clay? So much dirt gets on the lines. Or is it accurate irrespective of whether the lines are clean or not. The ball leaves some sort of mark on clay, so maybe it's not needed as much. Though at times that mark can be difficult to decipher.
It uses the trajectory of the ball to predict where it landed with pretty good accuracy. I don’t see any reason why it can’t be used on clay, and would save time because the umpire doesn’t have to jump down and run to look at the ball mark, which may or may not even be the right mark for that shot (never understood how they can tell especially at the end of a long set before they rake the clay)
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
I thought a couple of umpires took some incomprehensible decisions, replaying points that were already finished by the rules. I can single out the Greek and the Serb female umpires (can’t remember their names). So arrogant and full of themselves.
 

JackGates

Legend
Not exactly sure which forum this goes in but whatever, mods can move it.

This US open had the worst calls I’ve ever seen in a grand slam, and probably of any top tier tournament. It was pretty painful especially with how much money they’re playing for (ok sure and legacy but let’s get real, $3m for first is serious cash). I really hope they do move to Hawkeye live next year. I’m sorry that linesman will be out if a job but it just has to be done.

I know this is just another step towards Skynet taking over and eliminating us as the inhabitants on this planet but it seems totally worth it after what I just saw over the last 2 weeks.
If people educated themselves about computers, they would realize they are really dumb and no way they can take over the world. It's called science fiction for a reason.

But smart people will rule over dumb people with the help of technology, that will happen.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
If people educated themselves about computers, they would realize they are really dumb and no way they can take over the world. It's called science fiction for a reason.

But smart people will rule over dumb people with the help of technology, that will happen.
Totally agree with that. Dumb umpires take dumb decisions even with the help of technology.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Should be no surprise. This tournament has a history of awful, biased line calls. In fact, the only reason we even have Hawkeye is because of that blown Serena/Capriati match from US Open 04.

I've seen this so many times and still don't understand how something like that happens. The second one is obviously insane as that one didn't even touch the line. But the last one was also smack on the line and the umpire was sitting right on top of it. How do you not overrule that?
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
It uses the trajectory of the ball to predict where it landed with pretty good accuracy. I don’t see any reason why it can’t be used on clay, and would save time because the umpire doesn’t have to jump down and run to look at the ball mark, which may or may not even be the right mark for that shot (never understood how they can tell especially at the end of a long set before they rake the clay)
From what I remember it has been tested on Roland Garros and found not to be as accurate as observing the mark.

One advantage of Hawkeye is that even though it might be wrong it can't be biased. I suspect this is why these days players accept it without quibble - they probably know it can be wrong sometimes but they can be sure it's not down to any favouring of particular players and that over time any mistakes will even out. The mark in clay serves the same function.
 

TennisaGoGo

Semi-Pro
It’s silly we’re even debating this. Hawkeye Live works. Everyone loves it. Supermarket cashiers don’t key in prices manually and only scan if you challenge a price (but only three challenges per cart for some manufacturered drama).

Now that we know it works, I expect lines judges to be gone at the bigger hard court tournies within two years. Let the lines judges work juniors and college.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
It happens quite often that a player makes a challenge and the review is not available, which entails that player has to accept the initial call. What happens also if the system is down? It can happen in airports so why not in tennis events? The human element cannot be completely removed for the time being.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
It uses the trajectory of the ball to predict where it landed with pretty good accuracy. I don’t see any reason why it can’t be used on clay, and would save time because the umpire doesn’t have to jump down and run to look at the ball mark, which may or may not even be the right mark for that shot (never understood how they can tell especially at the end of a long set before they rake the clay)
if you ever played on clay, or other surfaces where a clear mark remains, you would know that it doesn't matter how long a match is played, it is easy to identify the correct mark.
exceptions of course apply, if the ball hits the same spot several times, but this happens rarely enough to dismiss this.
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
To offer an explanation, under normal circumstances the lineS people would’ve been calling lines from Indian Wells through the summer swing leading up to the Open. (referring to US officials here) Also there are numerous Challengers and Futures events...a few high-level Junior and pro-wheelchair events. The point I’m making is it is not a job that most people can just walk off the street and be excellent. Just like the players they were out of practice. And yes, all of those who think they can, I trained more than my share of new lines people, who first walked on the court thinking they’d kill it as a lines person, only to be humbled in their first few rotations... and this happens mostly at Futures events...not the most challenging lines to call, not by a long shot.

You add in being only on televised show courts, being in NYC, in a bubble during a pandemic? Yep, there are going to be mistakes. I saw some that I couldn’t believe, and I saw quite a few that were 1mm. Those 1mm calls are the ones that highlight being out of practice.

Oh and add the social media onslaught that happened to the umpire involved in the Djoker default, didn’t help anyone. Just a new wrinkle to ponder before you go on, or while you’re on court.

Believe it or not it does take an ounce of courage to do, and not everyone wants to put
themselves under that kind of microscope.

Considering how many posters here (myself included) who don’t post video’s of their own play on court. I’m sure some will understand my point, (and others will not). Such is life
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
The lack of coaching violations was absurd. Literally every match Male or female the players were conversing with their coaches.
 

FD3S

Hall of Fame
US Open always has the worst calls. Watch “Williams-Capriati 2004 US Open” on Youtube. Oh my god.
There was also this overrule that set Roddick off against Hewitt back in 2001. No idea what Diaz was doing there, say what you will about Roddick's reaction but that call was ****ing horrendous.
 

Oval_Solid

Semi-Pro
federer vs hewit in the us open final had one of the worst ive seen the ball was out by a foot and not called
us open lines people are just terrible
 

Bhagi Katbamna

Hall of Fame
Not necessarily a call but the chair umpire said the wrong score during a tie-break and docked V. Williams a point against k. sprem and Venus ended up losing the tie-break and the match because of it.
 
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