Worst Rafa ever in major final.

mistik

Hall of Fame
Congrats Novak for sure he played rock solid but oh boy. This is terrible from Rafa he did nothing with the ball all match. Ugly stuff. This is 2015 stuff from him. Yes Novak in his head he would probably lose even he played well. Shanking nearly set and half a bit too much.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
This is Rafa's first straight set drubbing in a slam final. So yes it's the worst.
 
Last edited:

Djoker11

New User
I agree, as a Djokovic fan I think if rafa turned up it probs still would of been 4 sets in novaks favour but Nadal look defeated the moment he was broke in the first set, part of me wonders if Nadal mentally just sees Djokovic as a better player overall than him outside of clay
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I agree, as a Djokovic fan I think if rafa turned up it probs still would of been 4 sets in novaks favour but Nadal look defeated the moment he was broke in the first set, part of me wonders if Nadal mentally just sees Djokovic as a better player overall than him outside of clay
Nah the normal fight Rafa has just wasnt there. He did 10x better on indoor grass, that speaks volumes.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is clueless against Djokovic on a HC when Djokovic is zoned in. There is nothing he can do. He could have made it a bit tighter if Novak wasn't so much in his head but we'd end up with the same outcome, maybe a tighter scoreline in 3 sets or managing to take one set.
 

Nole_King

Semi-Pro
Nah the normal fight Rafa has just wasnt there. He did 10x better on indoor grass, that speaks volumes.
Novak is now on another level as far as confidence goes. Looking forward to see what happens in the clay season. The North America swing seems all but locked
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
I agree, as a Djokovic fan I think if rafa turned up it probs still would of been 4 sets in novaks favour but Nadal look defeated the moment he was broke in the first set, part of me wonders if Nadal mentally just sees Djokovicas a better than him outside of clay
Even they played on clay ı am not sure he won a set with the way he played. No movement no sharpness total nightmare to watch.
 

Achilles82

Professional
Rafa has PTSD when he plays against Novak (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder). Thats why he plays bad against him. He doesnt know what to do or how to play. Nadal can't beat peak Novak on HC, he just can't do it.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Rafa has PTSD when he plays against Novak (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder). Thats why he plays bad against him. He doesnt know what to do or how to play. Nadal can't beat peak Novak on HC, he just can't do it.
Novak is very difficult from him but in my book his general nerves off steel not there ever since 2014. He win big titles only against guys he has so much better anyway. There isnt a single EPİC match he manage to win against his rivals Fed included since 2014.
 

Djoker11

New User
Rafa has PTSD when he plays against Novak (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder). Thats why he plays bad against him. He doesnt know what to do or how to play. Nadal can't beat peak Novak on HC, he just can't do it.
I'm a Novak fan and I disagree, Nadal certainly can beat him on a hard court but he has to be uber aggressive and not get caught in long rallies, the forehand down the line, big on the back hand. If he doesn't implement this then I think outside of clay he won't best Novak as Novak is only player who is better from the back of the court than rafa and has a better serve. But his defensive mindset makes it hard for him to always be aggressive.
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
Even they played on clay ı am not sure he won a set with the way he played. No movement no sharpness total nightmare to watch.
Really! Nadal hit fine when behind the ball and set, hit defence as neutral as can be expected. Djokovic was just hitting early, fast and accurate. He also mixed up the offence so either 1 & 2 or 1 & 1 & 2. Against a Fed it was more 1& 1 & 1 & 1 & 2. Djokvics down the line was the winner today.
On clay this won't happen as much it will be deeper, loopier, slower and cross court more. More chance for Nadal to get his body weight into the shot.
Having said that I said today at tennis FO is still a coin toss.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Really! Nadal hit fine when behind the ball and set, hit defence as neutral as can be expected. Djokovic was just hitting early, fast and accurate. He also mixed up the offence so either 1 & 2 or 1 & 1 & 2. Against a Fed it was more 1& 1 & 1 & 1 & 2. Djokvics down the line was the winner today.
On clay this won't happen as much it will be deeper, loopier, slower and cross court more. More chance for Nadal to get his body weight into the shot.
Having said that I said today at tennis FO is still a coin toss.
Rafa wont do well on clay at this stage off his career. I am nearly 100 percent sure off this. Clay can be even more difficult as he nearly 33.
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
Rafa wont do well on clay at this stage off his career. I am nearly 100 percent sure off this. Clay can be even more difficult as he nearly 33.
Who's going to beat him? Other than Djokovic. Thiem is no better than last year and the only true clay court player, Zverev is to mentally weak, even if he was 2 sets up I wouldn't feel 70%. Nadal has not pushed all AO, he finally can['t complain about injury or rest. The other clay court type players can't go with Nadal for 5 sets, most can't go 3 sets.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Who's going to beat him? Other than Djokovic. Thiem is no better than last year and the only true clay court player, Zverev is to mentally weak, even if he was 2 sets up I wouldn't feel 70%. Nadal has not pushed all AO, he finally can['t complain about injury or rest. The other clay court type players can't go with Nadal for 5 sets, most can't go 3 sets.
For me it is just a matter off time he will suffer ugly defeats on clay. If Thiem won the set after Nadal cramping 3 set he would win the match.
 

Djoker11

New User
Rafa wont do well on clay at this stage off his career. I am nearly 100 percent sure off this. Clay can be even more difficult as he nearly 33.
He 'll be fine for clay guaranteed, after all he destroyed all in his way on route to the final this year and only lost to the overwhelming favourite. On clay his topspin would drain energy out of players a lot quickerand won't have to come out and have to be as aggressive, it'll interesting to see a Nadal Djokovic final on clay(hopefully get a preview in one of the masters) but I still see rafa as the hot favourite for the french, the service at the Aussie open just isn't great for him.
 

robthai

Hall of Fame
Both would have been clobbered. Tsitsipas MAY have won more games, but not to any significant degree to really talk about it like it matters because it doesn't.
Better doesn't mean he would win. As a neutral I just wanted a competitive match and this was disappointing. This Australian Open has been very disappointing. Less epic matches, mostly straight set thrashings in the second week.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
He 'll be fine for clay guaranteed, after all he destroyed all in his way on route to the final this year and only lost to the overwhelming favourite. On clay his topspin would drain energy out of players a lot quickerand won't have to come out and have to be as aggressive, it'll interesting to see a Nadal Djokovic final on clay(hopefully get a preview in one of the masters) but I still see rafa as the hot favourite for the french, the service at the Aussie open just isn't great for him.
I dont think things will be any easier for him on clay nowadays compare to hard. He cant beat Novak because the court slower and allows him to defend because he doesnt want to defend anymore.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Better doesn't mean he would win. As a neutral I just wanted a competitive match and this was disappointing. This Australian Open has been very disappointing. Less epic matches, mostly straight set thrashings in the second week.
Yeah, I understand. I felt the same. A horrible men's AO overall. But men's tennis has been trending this way for a few years now unfortunately. It's far too predictable.
 

Achilles82

Professional
I'm a Novak fan and I disagree, Nadal certainly can beat him on a hard court
I didnt say Nadal cant beat Novak on HC, I sad Nadal cant beat PEAK Novak on HC. The only way for him to beat Novak is if Nadal plays his best, and Novak doesnt play well.
 

Djoker11

New User
I dont think things will be any easier for him on clay nowadays compare to hard. He cant beat Novak because the court slower and allows him to defend because he doesnt want to defend anymore.
Perhaps but we 'll see this is rafa after all and I'd never rule him out at the french and not to mention he looked great until he ran into the Aussie goat. The court at the Aussie this year looked quite fast to me to be fair, Nadal certainly needs a big change on hard surfaces or he 'll struggle against Novak indefinitely
 
Last edited:
D

Deleted member 735320

Guest
Nadal wasn't quite getting his fingers as deep up his shorts as usual. He needs to get his OCD routine back in full swing.
 
Top