Would 2011 Djokovic have won any Grand Slams in 2006 or 2007?

2006 Fed was better than 2011 AO Fed, he was up and down but capable of raising his game to a different level IMO. Think he can take two sets off 2011'vic on RA but don't think he has the conditioning or consistency to do more.
IMO thinking 2006 Federer could go 5 with 2011 Djokovic at the AO is being super generous. 2012 Nadal was better than 2006 Federer at the AO IMO, and 2012 Djokovic was clearly worse than 2011, and the best Nadal could do was lose in 5 there.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I gave 2006 USO to Federer. However, I wasn't at all impressed with Federer at the 2007 USO. I really thought that his reign was coming to an end after 2007. His effort in the final was lackluster at best. I remember telling my wife during 2007 that Federer would be lucky to break Pete's record of 14 slam titles. I really felt that he slipped a bit that year. Thankfully, I was wrong and he got 20. But 14-15 felt like his limit after 2007.
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No chance of Novak winning if he couldn't close Federer convincingly in 2011, it was a close match and Novak almost lost it, the 2007 version was savage.
Saw how deadly Fed was in 08 and 09 at the USO vs Novak.
07 might seem lackluster but that is what is the difference between a straight sets win and a potential 4-5 set win, but Fed would win as his level imo was higher than it was in 2011
 
Joker wins the 06 AO, 07 is 50-50 but I lean Joker there.

No version of Joker beats Young/Primedal at RG.

Don’t think he wins Wimby in either year, Ol’ Rog was way too good in 06 and I think Fedal edge him in 07.

The 06 USO was probably Ol’ Rog’s 2nd best USO form start to finish so it’s a no for me that year. 07 is very winnable since Youngovic had many SPs in the 07 F. I think a better Joker could take that one.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
IMO thinking 2006 Federer could go 5 with 2011 Djokovic at the AO is being super generous. 2012 Nadal was better than 2006 Federer at the AO IMO, and 2012 Djokovic was clearly worse than 2011, and the best Nadal could do was lose in 5 there.
Fed in 2011 had chances in the first couple of sets. So don't think it's super generous, not on RA where Djokovic wouldn't be able to slide as easily.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Highest level of play in 20 years

On Rebound Ace - Federer 2007
On Plexicushion - Djokovic 2011
On Clay - Nadal 2008
On Wimbledon - Federer 2005-2006 (You could say Fed 03-04 as well but the grass was a bit quicker then)
On USO - Federer 2004

So Novak's chances are pretty much limited since he doesn't have the peak in 3 out of 4 slams
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
Nadal so lucky to have winning record vs Federer at AO and vs Nole at USO…
So lucky to have to play in era of two greatest players in history!
Yeh Nadal was so lucky because look at the court speeds in the 2009, 2012 and 2014 Australian open matches. Painfully slow and very high bouncing. Look at the speed in 2017? And look who won at 35 when Nadal was 30. Djokovic losing to Nadal at the US open is a different story. Djokovic played genuinely poor by his standards in 2010 and 2013. Federer didn’t in 2009 or 2012 but the courts ****ed him over
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
no one expected Novak would beat Fed in 3 W finals including beating him despite being 2 Championship points down

No one expected Novak would win 8 slams (and counting) after turning 30. Still recall all the angry responses I got when I suggested Novak would win more post 30 than Fed :unsure:

No one expected Novak would remain #1 for so long. still recall the many posts of how weeks at #1 was a true GOAT measure. what happened to those posts by Fed fans? :-D;)

But at least hypothetical Fed will always remain the winner. A little like healthy Nadal! :cry::cool:
We saw what past peak Fed can do to peakiest peak Djokovic on a surface that more favours his game. No version of Djokovic would have a chance in 2006.
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
no one expected Novak would beat Fed in 3 W finals including beating him despite being 2 Championship points down

No one expected Novak would win 8 slams (and counting) after turning 30. Still recall all the angry responses I got when I suggested Novak would win more post 30 than Fed :unsure:

No one expected Novak would remain #1 for so long. still recall the many posts of how weeks at #1 was a true GOAT measure. what happened to those posts by Fed fans? :-D;)

But at least hypothetical Fed will always remain the winner. A little like healthy Nadal! :cry::cool:
That's not true, many Djokovic zealots expected these things from Djokovic back in 2015.
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
Well, if they predicted Novak would get the #1 and slam records way back when he was far behind that makes them true visionaries
Nah, no one is a visionary for getting a fluke prediction right. It's easy to make such claims after the fact. No one can actually predict and know things. That's why all the so called experts (in almost all sports) are randomly wrong and guess at only 50%.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
2006 Fed was better than 2011 AO Fed, he was up and down but capable of raising his game to a different level IMO. Think he can take two sets off 2011'vic on RA but don't think he has the conditioning or consistency to do more.
2006 AO Fed wasn't that good imo and I dunno if he was fully recovered that tournament so I can't see him pushing 2011 AO Djokovic to 5.Only 2007 Fed would do it imo, still no cigar though, especially on that slow surface of 2011.So, Djokovic in 4 vs 2006 Fed and Djokovic in 5 vs 2007 Fed, that's how I see it :D
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Nah, no one is a visionary for getting a fluke prediction right. It's easy to make such claims after the fact. No one can actually predict and know things. That's why all the so called experts (in almost all sports) are constantly wrong and guess at only 50%.
Can’t disagree but if I ever find a post of mine from back then correctly predicting what would happen I will happily create a thread calling myself the GOAT of tennis predictions! ;)
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
2006 AO Fed wasn't that good imo and I dunno if he was fully recovered that tournament so I can't see him pushing 2011 AO Djokovic to 5.Only 2007 Fed would do it imo, still no cigar though, especially on that slow surface of 2011.So, Djokovic in 4 vs 2006 Fed and Djokovic in 5 vs 2007 Fed, that's how I see it :D
This in 2006/2007 and on RA. Otherwise I agree 2011'vic probably wins in four.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
what kind of question is this OP? no player (including Nadal, let alone Djokovic) ever wins any hypothetical match against Federer

Now for the real answer: If Djokovic can straight set Federer in AO2008 and can push Federer to three tight sets in US Open 2007 final, I would want to say 2011 Djokovic has a fighting chance

Waiting for Mono excuse from Federer (and sudden FEDAL) fans.

Again, since this is hypothetical match, Federer never loses.
 

Imperator

Hall of Fame
Would have definitely taken AO, decent chance at USO but Federer would have been the favorite. No chance at RG because Nadal. Small chance at Wimbledon but Federer would have probably won.

FO: No. Not beating that Rafa. A more interesting hypothetical is if he'd beat Roger, and since the 2011 version of Roger beat Novak in 2011, I doubt it.
That's not how it works, Federer's stellar performance in that 2011 SF was clearly peak tier. He was 30 and technically out of his prime, yes, but still young enough to be able to offer peak performances on some occasions and that's exactly what he did in that match. However that shouldn't suggest 2006/2007 Federer would play that well against Djokovic nor that should suggest Djokovic wouldn't play better under different circumstances. Different day, different match, different players. It might seem weird or counterintuitive but players aren't machines, you can't define everything arbitrarily with numbers only.
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
Nadal is the most overrated and luckiest player ever. He’s a great but for me he’s in the 2nd tier with Sampras Borg Laver and maybe Lendl who was the best player of his era.
I thought it was agreed that either Rafa or Novak had it the hardest.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Yeh Nadal was so lucky because look at the court speeds in the 2009, 2012 and 2014 Australian open matches. Painfully slow and very high bouncing. Look at the speed in 2017? And look who won at 35 when Nadal was 30. Djokovic losing to Nadal at the US open is a different story. Djokovic played genuinely poor by his standards in 2010 and 2013. Federer didn’t in 2009 or 2012 but the courts ****ed him over
Lol you don’t luck yourself to 20 slams, not even one slam!
 

Bubcay

Hall of Fame
He wins AO '06 hands down in my eyes with Fed's ankle not being 100%. AO '07 would be incredible to watch. A toss up that would probably be a tennis epic for the ages.

Has a small chance at FO '06 and '07 but ultimately loses to Nadal. Could also lose to Federer as well (although that '11 Fed had an insane serve and was hitting better BHs than in 2006 on clay)

Wimby - nope in '06. he could win it in '07 if he got lucky but Fed is a bad matchup.

USO '07 - I think even his '07 version could have won that match with some more mental strength. Remember that he held multiple SPs in both the 1st and 2nd set. Not so sure about USO '06, but it would probably be close.

Here's my pick:

high chance of winning - AO '06
good chance of winning - USO '07
50-50 - AO '07
not favored but still possible chance of winning - USO '06, Wimby '07, maaaaybe FO '06
little to no chance - Wimby '06, FO '07
Great analysis as always. Spot on.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
We get it bro. You're a Nadal fan that thinks Djokovic is a drug cheat (lol). Do you have to spam every thread with the same bollocks?
it seems relevant to know if the factors that led to 2011 performance exist in this time travel scenario, if it hurts your feelings you can always try ignoring my posts and cutting out bread from your life, you’ll probably feel and perform like Superman tomorrow
 
AO11-AO12 Djokovic won 4/5 Slams and had a score of 11-1 against #1 Nadal and #2 Federer...

Nothing special.
Another day(year) in the office for the earth mightiest warrior. Nothing special indeed. Lol

But let me tell you a story about a guy who had 11-0 against Blake, Bagdhatis, Ljubicic and Robredo...
 
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ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
I would back 2007 Fed against anyone at the AO but going for Djok is obviously understandable.
I would back 2007 Fed too, but not against 2011 & 2016 SF Djokovic.Against any other version of Djokovic, no problem.I can't give an hypothetical to Fed against the best versions of the AO GOAT :D
 

Sunny014

Legend
In this scenario the finals would be

AO06 - Novak beats Federer in 5 sets
FO06 - Claydal beats Federer/Novak in 4 sets
W06 - Federer beats Novak in 4 sets
USO06 - Federer beats Novak in 4 sets

AO07 - 50-50 Chances ....Federer might win in 5 sets or maybe lose too
FO07 - Nadal straight sets Novak in the final
W07 - Federer beats Nadal in the final, I don't think Novak would reach the final, even Nadal would be tough to beat for him.
USO07 - Federer wins in 4 or 5 sets
 

Sunny014

Legend
He would've dominated any version of Federer and Nadal, as he did in reality.

Remember 6-0 against a previously utterly dominant Nadal!
He was a journeyman in 06, he didn't dominate anyone.

Nadal once laughed at Novak at the French open press conference in front of reporters in 06 remember ?
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
He was a journeyman in 06, he didn't dominate anyone.

Nadal once laughed at Novak at the French open press conference in front of reporters in 06 remember ?
Care to read the thread title: '11 Djokovic would dominate.

Pretty ridiculous when you call a 19 year old player a journeyman. Shows your command of the English language.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I would back 2007 Fed too, but not against 2011 & 2016 SF Djokovic.Against any other version of Djokovic, no problem.I can't give an hypothetical to Fed against the best versions of the AO GOAT :D
Federer has 6AOs, he is not a 1 slam (at Ao) beggar like Nadal there.

Plexi arrived in Federer's 27th year of his life, yet he has 3 titles there and 3 on rebound as well.

Don't be surprised if 2007Fed takes out 2011Novak, if there is anyone who can who do it the it is Peak Federer and peak Safin


2011Novak did win the AO without dropping sets, Federer has, so logically one back the guy who did not drop a set
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Federer has 6AOs, he is not a 1 slam (at Ao) beggar like Nadal there.

Plexi arrived in Federer's 27th year of his life, yet he has 3 titles there and 3 on rebound as well.

Don't be surprised if 2007Fed takes out 2011Novak, if there is anyone who can who do it the it is Peak Federer and peak Safin


2011Novak did win the AO without dropping sets, Federer has, so logically one back the guy who did not drop a set
That would work if we haven't already seen how Djokovic loses sets to inferior opponents and then he sees red when playing Fedal.Federer and Nadal have won GS without dropping any sets while Djokovic didn't but at his best he rose his level when he needed it the most. Case in point when he struggled against Simon in 2016 but then he redlined his game in the SF against Fed :D
 
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Sunny014

Legend
That would work if we haven't already seen how Djokovic loses sets to inferior opponents and then he sees red when playing Fedal.Federer and Nadal have won GS without dropping any sets while Djokovic didn't but at his best he rose his level when he needed it the most. He struggled against Simon in 2016 but then he redlined his game in the SF against Fed :D
Everybody can redline their game against older opponents, it gives them confidence physically, when player are aged same that is when things get tricky.

Novak 2011's energy levels should be pitted against 2004-05 Federer and vs 2008-2009 Nadal, that would be the true match.

Look at the energy levels of Federer vs Safin here, now take a look at 2011 match vs Novak, you think Novak hits harder than Safin ? Federer retrieves balls in this match which 2011 Federer cannot even dream of doing. SO lets not be fooled by a 3 set win of Novak ..... in Novak plays peak Federe then the match will go 5 sets and anybody can win it.



 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Everybody can redline their game against older opponents, it gives them confidence physically, when player are aged same that is when things get tricky.

Novak 2011's energy levels should be pitted against 2004-05 Federer and vs 2008-2009 Nadal, that would be the true match.

Look at the energy levels of Federer vs Safin here, now take a look at 2011 match vs Novak, you think Novak hits harder than Safin ? Federer retrieves balls in this match which 2011 Federer cannot even dream of doing. SO lets not be fooled by a 3 set win of Novak ..... in Novak plays peak Federe then the match will go 5 sets and anybody can win it.



Well the thing is that had Djokovic played like he did against Simon, he would have lost against Federer.Obviously Djokovic felt confortable against a Fed that was not at his best plus he had all the momentum in the matchup after all that happened since 2014, but watching the way the Serb played in that particular match, I still think he would edge 2007 Federer.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Well the thing is that had Djokovic played like he did against Simon, he would have lost against Federer.Obviously Djokovic felt confortable against a Fed that was not at his best plus he had all the momentum in the matchup after all that happened since 2014, but watching the way the Serb played in that particular match, I still think he would edge 2007 Federer.
For me to know who is better I would send 2009 Novak to 2002, then 2 years later the 2011Novak can face the 2004Fed, that would be a fair way of analyzing players

You cannot send a future version to face an old version directly, send their 3 years younger version to 3 years before your actual clash and then see how players adapt ;)
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
@Sunny014 Look, I am not willing to die on this hill, more so because I am not even a Djokovic fan to begin with lol, but I just don't think Fed should win every hypothethical and much less in this case against a man who has never lost a SF or F in Australia and has won more titles there than anyone else :D
 

Sunny014

Legend
^^ I say this because 2011 was 1st great year for Novak and 2004 was 1st great year for Federer, gap between these years is 7 years and their age difference is also 6.

So those are the same generation versions that you want to clash, 2011 Novak is physically a bit stronger than 2004 Fed but I am sure the gap is very close, Fed would thrash him black and blue ;)
 
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