Would Djokovic have beaten Murray today ?

tennisaddict said:
Murray's final display was clean and I think he would have beaten Novak.

So, no weak draw theories for Murray's success
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OCO, there will be an asterisk on this win by Murray! It's just the way it is when a top player is absent, another upset, and the last near "the end" and past it! :rolleyes: :p
 
Yes, Murray would have choked like the FO final. However, now that Murray has gotten the monkey off his back, it may not be so easy for Djokovic in the future.
 
Novak isn't Milos and Murrays tears after this win tell volumes about this matchup in slams.
 
OhYes said:
Novak isn't Milos and Murrays tears after this win tell volumes about this matchup in slams.
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We definitely can't tell how Murray would play if Nole there instead of Milos! We might as well compare it to '77 FO where Vilas won over Brian Gottfried with Borg didn't play that season! Vilas has his FO title, won it fair and square, but contextual historians like myself will continue to be "hatin!" :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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Fiero425 said:
We definitely can't tell how Murray would play if Nole there instead of Milos! We might as well compare it to '77 FO where Vilas won over Brian Gottfried with Borg didn't play that season! Vilas has his FO title, won it fair and square, but contextually historians like myself will continue to be "hatin!" :rolleyes: :p ;)
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No we can't. And as Dilexson said - we should leave it at that.
Why did you go back so far in the past to prove a point? :rolleyes:
;)
 
Andy murray is the wimbledon Champion of 2016! At least Raonic did not go as feebly as that 2 major mug at the time hewitt 6-0, 7-6, 6-0 us open 2004. And Raonic does not even have a major lol. Stick that rock in your pipe and smoke that crack.
 
uliks said:
Murray one month ago was most pathetic #2 in the history of tennis as per OP, tennis, 123456789 and other resident experts and now he is straightseting Djokovic in hypothetical matchups. Lol
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After the spewing over the last 2 years their street cred has reached dime bag pusher on the corner in the bowery. Total jokes now. Even real tennis pros on here are letting them know it. Their time is up. Lmao.
 
First of all well done Murray!

2nd, we have no clue what would have happened. Nole is a completely different player and match up and would require a different strategy by Murray. Maybe we'll get to see that kind of final next year...

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OhYes said:
No we can't. And as Dilexson said - we should leave it at that.
Why did you go back so far in the past to prove a point? :rolleyes:
;)
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I'm old and live in the past! :p A reason to have TCC was to see some of those classic matches from the 70's and 80's and it just isn't happenin'! I don't get a lot of joy watching mindless ball bashing from the baseline with a "first strike" mind set! It's even more boring with the women who do it! :(
 
Milos played a great Wimbledon, but lets face it. The big guys with big serves go down as soon as they face someone who can return against them. Milos has gotten a ton better, and is more mobile and more complete player than most of the big servers, which is why he is in the top ten. But most of us thought Murray would win in either straights or 4 sets.

As for Murray vs Nole? Who knows.. a big part of their head to heads depends on how hard the match before it was. Though, in general, Nole has an edge over Murray. And for the record, the same is true for Fed. If he hadn't had the 5-setter, he would have taken Milos imo. But you can bet on it, if Fed has a tough 4 setter or a 5 setter he is out the next round. And I am pulling hard for Fed to win one more major, and I personally believe grass is his best chance.

What can be said, is that Murray won when he should win. He played great tennis. He didn't beat himself. Djoker did... perhaps the pressure of calendar slam was just too much. IDK.

Congrats to Murray
 
Wasn't Murray the worst and undeserdved No2 , mental midget , headstone of weak era not so long ago ?

OP unhealthy obsession with Djokovic continues even when he lost in R3 and has nothing to do with Wim 16 Final.


Grats to Wimbledon2016 winner and Milos for saving tennis in SF;)
 
Noelan said:
Wasn't Murray the worst and undeserdved #2 , mental midget, headstone of weak era not so long ago ?

OP unhealthy obsession with Djokovic continues even when he lost in R3 and has nothing to do with Wim 16 Final.


Grats to Wimbledon '16 winner & Milos for saving tennis in SF.;)
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Hypocrisy is what makes the world go 'round; esp. in tennis! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
Which Djokovic? 2016 Djokovic lost to Querrey, so how there is debate? 2015 Djokovic was far more impressive, his level was higher and defeated much tougher opponents in route to title. Zoning Anderson, Cilic and Federer in final - nothing less. That Djokovic would defeated Murray without too much trouble, however this (2016) Djokovic at Wimbledon couldn't even beat Querrey.
 
Possibly. Who knows? Murray was amazing today, but he was playing against a player that played right into his hands. Raonic couldn't rally from the back of the court with him, so he was forced to come inside, unfortunately this isn't 1999, it's 2016, and coming in at Wimbledon against the best players when they're playing well is just asking for trouble, especially if you do it as badly as Milos was doing it, just idiotically strolling down the middle, leaving massive lanes open on either side of him you could drive a truck down.

Djokovic CAN rally from the back of the court with Murray, so he wouldn't have been making idiotic approaches, and then you're at a stale mate, and they start playing their favourite game of who's dumping it into the net first. Djokovic has utterly dominated Murray at the slams since the match here 3 years ago. They've both come a long way since then, and Murray is very comfortable on a grass court, so (as little as I like watching them play each other) it would have been a hell of an intriguing match up to see the two of them going toe to toe here.
 
Nothing has changed.

This tournament Murray beat Tsonga, Berdych and Raonic. He has been beating these guys for years.

He's also been losing to Djokovic for years. So he probably would have lost in the final against Djokovic.

But it doesn't really matter because Djokovic preferred taking a holiday.
 
I am Djokovic fan, but please stop with ifs. What if that, what if something else. Djokovic lost, Murray has won Wimbledon. He deserves all the credit. He didn't cheat his way to the trophy, he won every single match fair and square.

Bravo Andy, I hope he will be more constant so we should watch great rivalries during the next years and hard battles for all trophies.
 
I am Djokovic fan, but please stop with ifs. What if that, what if something else. Djokovic lost, Murray has won Wimbledon. He deserves all the credit. He didn't cheat his way to the trophy, he won every single match fair and square.

Bravo Andy, I hope he will be more constant so we should watch great rivalries during the next years and hard battles for all trophies.
 
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Murray snacks on lumbering servebots like cheetos so today was never in question.

Boreovic is another matter. He is pretty much guaranteed to beat Murray in 4 wherever/whenever.
 
I think if Djokovic got through to the final against Murray we would have gotten a 5 setter kinda like the AO only shorter points.
Sick returns and ball bashing. Murray's 2nd serve might have been the difference. But Maybe Murray just steam rolls getting to the final would have most likely killed Djokovic.
 
swordtennis said:
I think if Djokovic got through to the final against Murray we would have gotten a 5 setter kinda like the AO only shorter points.
Sick returns and ball bashing. Murray's 2nd serve might have been the difference. But Maybe Murray just steam rolls getting to the final would have most likely killed Djokovic.
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^ agreed. Andy played like an ATG and would have been toe to toe against Djoker
 
tennisaddict said:
Murray's final display was clean and I think he would have beaten Novak.

So, no weak draw theories for Murray's success
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Depends on Novak's form. He's currently at his best despite losing to Querrey, and yes, reaching the Finals nowadays is almost a win. So yes, he would have definitely beaten Murray. But if the Novak that Querrey have beaten would show up, then Murray would win.
 
Djokovic lost in the 3rd round over a week ago. Even when Djokovic is gone and it's what you wanted, you still can't let well enough do. You still have to make threads about him. Who cares what the result would be? Andy is Wimby champ and the title belongs to him.
 
Looking at the whole tournament who played the best tennis for all their matches?
The answer is clearly Murray. Even Fed's victory over Cilic doesn't balance out the consistent tennis Murray generated for all his matches.
I wish he did, but Federer didn't put beat downs on his early round opponents, he just got through, cleanly but not with amazing tennis.

It would have been a tough one for Djokovic to win against Murray if he had snuck out a victory against Querrey and made it to the finals.
 
Well, looking at the dodgy form Novak was in against Querrey, he would have needed to improve massively to have even got to the final - let alone beaten Andy once he got there.

So, yes, going on the way both players were playing early on (plus with Andy's supreme Queens form) I think Andy would have beaten Novak on this occasion. Grass narrows the gap between them, and you just get the feeling that Andy reckons he's got Novak sussed on this surface.
 
Peters said:
Well, looking at the dodgy form Novak was in against Querrey, he would have needed to improve massively to have even got to the final - let alone beaten Andy once he got there.

So, yes, going on the way both players were playing early on (plus with Andy's supreme Queens form) I think Andy would have beaten Novak on this occasion. Grass narrows the gap between them, and you just get the feeling that Andy reckons he's got Novak sussed on this surface.
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Nole had 100 UFE against Simon just a few months ago in Australia, but won it convincingly! What's your point? :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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