Would Djokovic have beaten Murray today ?
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Ginger ninja
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No, because he got knocked out. Generally when you lose in the early rounds you lose the chance to play in the final.
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guy beats tsonga, berdych and raonic (his favorite pigeons to stomp on) suddenly he's straight setting the world number 1 in imaginary finals and even being touted as one of the best grass court players of all time
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chrisingrassia
Professional
Are you F'ing kidding me? So anytime a non-#1 player wins a tournament where the #1 player wasn't in the match, the win deserves an asterisk every time?OCO, there will be an asterisk on this win by Murray! It's just the way it is when a top player is absent, another upset, and the last near "the end" and past it!
Pfft. Epitome of an ignorant keyboard warrior.
chrisingrassia
Professional
Are you F'ing kidding me? So anytime a non-#1 player wins a tournament where the #1 player wasn't in the match, the win deserves an asterisk every time?OCO, there will be an asterisk on this win by Murray! It's just the way it is when a top player is absent, another upset, and the last near "the end" and past it!
Pfft. Epitome of an ignorant keyboard warrior.
chrisingrassia
Professional
Are you F'ing kidding me? So anytime a non-#1 player wins a tournament where the #1 player wasn't in the match, the win deserves an asterisk every time?OCO, there will be an asterisk on this win by Murray! It's just the way it is when a top player is absent, another upset, and the last near "the end" and past it!
Pfft. Epitome of an ignorant keyboard warrior.
chrisingrassia
Professional
Crazy talk. There was only one break of serve this whole match, two sets which went into a breaker. How was this not a tough match? It was only couple points either way of going to Raonic.
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couple of points?
more like several
he get destroyed in the tiebreaks, it wasn't even close
murray had a several points lead in the two breakers
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
I think goo Novak would have beaten Murray today. with good NOvak it is completely different game. he would prolong the rallie and make Murray win those 30-40 ball rallies and murray eventually caves in under pressure
chrisingrassia
Professional
Crazy talk. There was only one break of serve this whole match, the other two sets which went into a breaker. How was this not a tough match? It was only couple points either way of going to Raonic.
chrisingrassia
Professional
The breaker scores were 7-3 / 7-2, that's only a couple points either way for both breakers. This was a great match, Raonic has absolutely nothing to be disappointed about today and I certainly don't think playing Djokovic would make it tougher.
If Djokovic/Murray played today and the match went 6-1, 2-6, 6-3, 4-6, 6-2, is that a tougher match than 6-4, 7-6, 7-6?
StannisTheMannis
Hall of Fame
I think Novak would have edged him in a close match. But no point in discussing this. Murray is champion.
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Well, it doesn't matter really. As other people have said, first of all there's no need to bring Novak into the convo about this.
Second of all, Murray played the best over the fortnight, that's all that matters.
If forced to pick, I'd have a tough time because ND has many edges over AM, physical, mental and othereise... otoh AM leads 2-0 and 5 sets on grass all to him. Don't think it's a huge sample size but it does make me pause.
I'd probably fav Murray slightly considering his form this week, and Novak would be the sizeable favorite at the other 3 slams (yes I know Murray won US 12), when both are playing well en route to final.
Second of all, Murray played the best over the fortnight, that's all that matters.
If forced to pick, I'd have a tough time because ND has many edges over AM, physical, mental and othereise... otoh AM leads 2-0 and 5 sets on grass all to him. Don't think it's a huge sample size but it does make me pause.
I'd probably fav Murray slightly considering his form this week, and Novak would be the sizeable favorite at the other 3 slams (yes I know Murray won US 12), when both are playing well en route to final.
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Well, it doesn't matter really. As other people have said, first of all there's no need to bring Novak into the convo about this.
Second of all, Murray played the best over the fortnight, that's all that matters.
If forced to play along and pick, I'd have a tough time because ND has many edges over AM, physical, mental and othereise... otoh AM leads 2-0 and 5 sets on grass all to him. Don't think it's a huge sample size but it does make me pause.
I'd probably fav Murray slightly considering his form this week, and Novak would be the favorite at the other 3 slams, when both are playing well e
Second of all, Murray played the best over the fortnight, that's all that matters.
If forced to play along and pick, I'd have a tough time because ND has many edges over AM, physical, mental and othereise... otoh AM leads 2-0 and 5 sets on grass all to him. Don't think it's a huge sample size but it does make me pause.
I'd probably fav Murray slightly considering his form this week, and Novak would be the favorite at the other 3 slams, when both are playing well e
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Novak's yet to win a set off Murray on grass, so I see no reason to even speculate about possible asterisks/upsets. Either way, he beat who he had to beat and congrats to him for that.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Any particular reason?
FudgeControl
Banned
Djokovic would have won in 4, maybe 5. But congrats to Murray.
FudgeControl
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Djokovic would have won in 4, maybe 5. But congrats to Murray.
Djokovic > Murray
Can't deny the truth
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Oh the shortness of memories. He had already straight setted this same world number #1 in a final that was far from imaginery on this same court just 3 years ago! Not so terribly hard to imagine he might have been able to do it again!
FudgeControl
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Djokovic in 4.
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Ginger ninja
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I think Murray would have beaten Djokovic today and the last two years if he'd made the final. He is a horrible matchup on grass for Djokovic. Essentially the same player with more power and a bigger serve - somewhat nullified on hard courts but not grass. That said, it's a ridiculous question intent on casting shade on murray's win.
In other news, if my uncle was a woman, he'd be my auntie.
In other news, if my uncle was a woman, he'd be my auntie.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
Raonic served mediocre. Not to mention that Murray still somehow lost 71% of second serve return points when Federer in his condition did far better the last round. Milo's first serve was very predictable and not accurate at all. Any half decent returner would have had a field day with 135-140 right into the hitting zone.
Another reason why I laugh my ass off when people put Raonic's serve against Federer and Sampras' and call it one of the best serves ever. Don't really care how many service games you win against the mugs in the first 4 rounds, the best servers are the ones who bring it against the best and Raonic has fallen flat on his face with his serve in pretty much every big match he has ever played.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
agreed...those kind of comments come from people who have no clue what grass court tennis is. In no way shape or form did Raonic play a good match and he never even sniffed a lead or an opening. Taking it to a tiebreak means nothing when you blow the tiebreak in teh first 3 points with the most trivial UE and everyone and their grandma knows who will win.
I remember hearing how the 03 Wimbledon final was a very close match too and it's the same thing...people have just completely forgotten, or have never known, what true grass court tennis is to make comments like that. Grass court tennis always comes down a few points and a match isn't close just cause someone got things to a tiebreak.
DerekNoleFam1
Hall of Fame
Another hypothetical, but too close to call imo.
Djoker got taken out by a big server running hot, Murray weathered the storm and still won his matches against 3 big servers in a row.
His return game against Milos was up there with Djoker in the final.
At the end of the day Andy has the title, and deservedly so.
Djoker got taken out by a big server running hot, Murray weathered the storm and still won his matches against 3 big servers in a row.
His return game against Milos was up there with Djoker in the final.
At the end of the day Andy has the title, and deservedly so.
DerekNoleFam1
Hall of Fame
Another hypothetical, but too close to call imo.
Djoker got taken out by a big server running hot, Murray weathered the storm and still won his matches against 3 big servers in a row.
His return game against Milos was right up there with Novak.
At the end of the day Andy has the title, and deservedly so.
Djoker got taken out by a big server running hot, Murray weathered the storm and still won his matches against 3 big servers in a row.
His return game against Milos was right up there with Novak.
At the end of the day Andy has the title, and deservedly so.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Murray has more power? Umm no. He has a bigger first serve and that's it. You need to look at the stats in their matches and see who constantly hits more winners. Can't we just let Murray have his moment and quit with the hypotheticals? And you can't possibly think Murray would have had a chance in hell last year in that Wimbledon final against Djokovic in the form he was in. Djokovic would have torn him to shreds.
I am the Greatest!
Professional
He definitely would have won against Federer due to two straight 5 setters. But I doubt that he would have beaten Novak if he gets to the Finals.
Correction: depends on Novak's form.
I am the Greatest!
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He definitely would have won against Federer due to two straight 5 setters. But I doubt that he would have beaten Novak if he gets to the Finals.
Correction: depends on Novak's form.
I am the Greatest!
Professional
Bruh, huge serve and groundtrokes aren't nullified on hard courts - especially in New York. It stays true to its physics. Novak is just an excellent returner.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Djokovic has never taken a set off Murray in either of their grasscourt encounters so that is far from a given but, as you correctly point out, let's quit with the pointless hypotheticals as we can never know.
I am the Greatest!
Professional
Bruh, huge serve and groundtrokes aren't nullified on hard courts - especially in New York. It stays true to its physics. Novak is just an excellent returner.
QuentinFederer
Professional
Their head to head record for one
QuentinFederer
Professional
Their head to head record for one
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
We will never know
tennisfan3024
Rookie
With how tired he looked no
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