Would Djokovic have won AO 2011 if he had faced Federer or Nadal in final?

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal had just beaten Djokovic 5 times in a row, including USO final and WTF semi final. Nadal had also won all their slam meetings.

Federer was still a force in slams, a favorite vs Djokovic despite the two upsets at AO 2008 and US Open 2010.

Djokovic was lucky to have Murray in the final who was yet to win a slam.

Had Djokovic met Nadal or Federer in the final, Nole 2.0 would not have happened and Federer would be sitting right now with 20 slams and Nadal 15-16.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak hammered Fed in semis so bit of a pointless discussion! End of thread :)

Federer's a better big final player than Djokovic based on their slam final records. Federer has lost slam finals only to Nadal and just once to god-mode Del Potro.
 

Lips

Rookie
Nadal had just beaten Djokovic 5 times in a row, including USO final and WTF semi final. Nadal had also won all their slam meetings.

Federer was still a force in slams, a favorite vs Djokovic despite the two upsets at AO 2008 and US Open 2010.

Djokovic was lucky to have Murray in the final who was yet to win a slam.

Had Djokovic met Nadal or Federer in the final, Nole 2.0 would not have happened and Federer would be sitting right now with 20 slams and Nadal 15-16.

Maybe? Maybe not? We will never know...next "what if" thread please
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Considering the form nadal was in he would have been hammered.
He lost to Ferrer after all.

Nadal would simply have suffered 8 losses in a row
 
Djokovic played a bit less well in 2012, and Nadal was playing great, and Nadal still lost. However by then Djokovic had a huge mental hold over Nadal. In early 2011 Nadal took Djokovic to a 3rd set tiebreak in Miami which he lost with some bad errors, and was controlling their Indian Wells match before his game slipped in the 2nd set, so I guess it is possible. Federer would have no chance based on the actual semifinal where he was spanked.
 

corners

Legend
Djokovic 2.0 made his appearance for the first time in this final. He was almost unplayable. I remember Lendl remarking afterward that he'd never seen tennis like that before. I would have liked his chances against anyone on that day and on that court.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Well, he had just straight-setted Federer in the semi-final, and Fed wasn't even playing badly, so I doubt somehow that Fed would have been able to lift his level even higher if they had met in the final. The fact is that Djokovic had significantly raised HIS level, was just in the zone and was at the start of a fantastic run of 40 odd winning matches where nobody could stand in his way!

Not sure about Nadal but, given the fact that he had lost to Ferrer in the quarters, it doesn't seem as if he would have been able to handle the new, improved Djokovic had he made it to the final. Time would soon show that he wouldn't be able to handle him for the remainder of that year!

Murray, of course, had yet to win a Slam at that point after already losing in 2 Slam finals. But he was 2-0 v Djokovic in ATP finals at that point and, although this was the first time they met in a Slam final, I have the impression that he really fancied his chances this time given his prior record against him in finals. Remember, Djokovic himself had only 1 Slam title to his name at that point and that had been won 3 years previously! I think Murray was just completely taken aback by Djokovic's new, raised level and wasn't prepared for it despite the warning Djokovic had already laid down in his straight set thrashing of Federer in the semis. He was overwhelmed in the final like Federer was in the semis. Both became the first two victims of the new, improved Djoko Mark #2. Nadal would soon become the third and most consistent victim!
 
Not sure about Nadal but, given the fact that he had lost to Ferrer in the quarters, it doesn't seem as if he would have been able to handle the new, improved Djokovic had he made it to the final. Time would soon show that he wouldn't be able to handle him for the remainder of that year!

While you could be right I think the hypothetical around Nadal was a healthy and playing well Nadal. Remember he lost to Ferrer only due to a bad injury he incurred. 'He was barely able to move in that match. His long losing streak to Djokovic was born partly out of a mental block which developed over time. Had he won their Miami encounter which went to a 3rd set tiebreaker for instance, I am pretty sure the year ends up very differently. Nadal more than almost anyone else is avery confidence oriented player. He usually has the confidence, but Djokovic stripped him of that, and beating Nadal on clay in straight sets in Rome was the final straw, the point of no return for Nadal psychologically for awhile when playing Djokovic.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Nadal had just beaten Djokovic 5 times in a row, including USO final and WTF semi final. Nadal had also won all their slam meetings.

Federer was still a force in slams, a favorite vs Djokovic despite the two upsets at AO 2008 and US Open 2010.

Djokovic was lucky to have Murray in the final who was yet to win a slam.

Had Djokovic met Nadal or Federer in the final, Nole 2.0 would not have happened and Federer would be sitting right now with 20 slams and Nadal 15-16.

Nadal beat Murray in the WTF semis in the third set TB and Novak in the RR (where Novak kind of lost it because of contactlense issues).

He straightsetted Berdych (who was playing very well up to that), Federer (albeit in close sets) and Murray.

So no, I don't think either Federer or Nadal (who lost to Ferrer) would have beaten him in that final. But it's an interesting scenario nevertheless as it might have had ramifications for the rest of the year.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
"unproved theory"

A statement of fact can be proven. A statement of opinion can not be proven.

Is it a fact that Djokovic is W winner?

How do you know that TV producers didn't just write the scores and edited the match?

Or that they didn't kidnap us and brainwash us?

Or, that your brain didn't manipulate the perception of reality and made you think you saw a different score?

How can you trust your own thoughts?

Evolution theory says we were created by accident, so there is no intelligent design or intelligence. If this is the case, how can we trust our own thoughts?

Why are we even intelligent? It is only us who call ourselves that.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
Is it a fact that Djokovic is W winner?

How do you know that TV producers didn't just write the scores and edited the match?

Or that they didn't kidnap us and brainwash us?

Or, that your brain didn't manipulate the perception of reality and made you think you saw a different score?

How can you trust your own thoughts?

Evolution theory says we were created by accident, so there is no intelligent design or intelligence. If this is the case, how can we trust our own thoughts?

Why are we even intelligent? It is only us who call ourselves that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
 
Djokovic is unbeatable in the semi's and final at the AO. Fedal's best will always be inferior to Djokovic's best at the AO. Djokovic is the king in Australia for a reason.
 

The Sinner

Semi-Pro
Tbh don’t think anyone was gonna stop 2011 AO Djoko anyways. The only one version I can think of if 2007 AO Fed, but that’s just a hypothetical and OP is about 2011. That was arguably the best Djokovic ever at AO, so answer is “no”.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Maybe 05/07fed or 09/12 nadal couldve done some damage , not the 11 version of fed who was decent but not at his very best.
 
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