gjm127
Hall of Fame
This was intentional. The ball kid wasn't paying attention. Federer occasionally does this to give ball boys some action, as he was one in his teens himself.
Would Fedal have been defaulted?
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This was intentional. The ball kid wasn't paying attention. Federer occasionally does this to give ball boys some action, as he was one in his teens himself.
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
Novak deserved to be disqualified at the US Open, but that rule is not applied consistently as we see in the previous videos.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, for starters, in the previous 2 videos they didn't hit the ball out of frustration.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
But honestly speaking , Novak has done worse things than this. he has hit the ball aggressively many times before ..
In this case , it was not even an angry response . He just placed the ball a bit in the upper trajectory , if he had hit it in lower trajectory and the ball wud hit knee of the linejudge wid a speed of maybe 10 km per hour and there would not be so much drama ... It's just a mistake that this happend .
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
I don't think it was from frustration. He even didn't look when he hit the ball back. He probably presumed it will hit the wall and bounced to the ball kids like dozen times before.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He did hit it a bit out of frustration. He was unlucky his aim was actually too good.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He was visibly frustrated, IMO. 2 minutes before he hit a powerful ball near the cameramen.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Come on man , Federer actually gave live farewell to a " Racist Bigot , White Supremacist Australian Radio Braodcaster " .
Maybe it was a bad PR decision , but You must have noticed how Western media mostly ignored that news and topic .
Do you really think Western Media would have pardoned and ignored Djokovic if he had done the same?
Nothing incorrect to say , Federer does have privilege compared to others.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
ForehandRF
Legend
He was close to do it at some point in the 2008 Wimbledon Final IIRC.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Not enough privilege to forgive him for hurting a line judge, IMO. There's not enough precedence to draw this conclusion.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
agree. Maybe he should have hit ball in empty stands. Brainfart moment .
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Could happen to anyone. Next time he should watch where he hits the ball.
But still, I don't hold him accountable for this. Just a stupid mistake.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Most Novak fans were prepared for this accident to be honest.
He did this many times before in his career , and someday it was goin to bite him in the arrse .
Hopefully he will learn from this and calm the fck down during actual matches .
Winners or Errors
Legend
LOL OP. What are the chances that Nadal or Federer would do what Djoker did? Zero. Fed, perhaps earlier, pre-2002/3 when he got his act together and learned self-control, maybe, but that's not the Federer to whom you were referring. They are different people. Nadal and Federer just don't come across as petulant on the tennis court.
After the incident, we saw
Darren Cahill said it deserved a DQ
James Blake said it deserved a DQ
Chris Evert said it deserved a DQ
Tim Henman said it deserved a DQ
Patrick McEnroe said it deserved a DQ
Brad Gilbert said it deserved a DQ
The closest you came to *any* of these guys saying it didn't deserve a DQ was John McEnroe, who even seemed to agree it deserved a DQ but wished they could have found a way to keep Novak in the tournament.
This does not seem controversial.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Based on how Federer has been warned and given a point or first serve penalty as well over an unsportsmanlike conduct, I doubt they'd let him get away with hitting a lines woman.
clout
Hall of Fame
Toni would beat his ass if he ever did anything like this lol
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
That's the problem on hive mind forums like these. The people just twist the agenda to make it all fit into their socially distant thought bubble.
Feather
Legend
As a Roger Federer fan, I do agree that Roger Federer has more previleges. In scheduling games, I have noticed..
But I have no doubt that yesterday he would have also been DQed..
MS_07
Semi-Pro
Fed has got multiple warnings for moonballing inside the court , it didn't touch anyone anyways .
So technical ans is yes .
But will they do it ? -- No
That's the difference between a classy person and a successful person .
Raiden
Hall of Fame
That wasn't accident — Roger sent the ball there deliberately — but the kid failed to do his job.
So still there has not been one single clip of federer presented where he unintentionally misdirected the ball and hit someone. Zero nada zilch.
Djokovic on the other hand send the ball astray because he was careless and reckless — and not once or twice but multiple times — it's a pattern of behaviour. And he's been called out on this behaviour before by the media. But he gloated and bragged how he escaped justice (he relied too much on the fact that he was lucky there was no direct hit like yesterday in those past times. He wrongly felt secure enough to not adjust his behaviour.
So you can't say Neckvak wasn't warned.
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tennis tom
Legend
It was a fluke, Joko hit the ball nonchalantly behind him without looking--line lady wasn't looking either--"watch the ball!" Fed probably wouldn't have put himself in this situation. All balls should be hit with intention, even to the ball-peoples. It was an unintentional careless fluke--but, if you draw blood or cause injury it's an auto-DQ (see Nalbandian hitting lineman in shin drawing blood).
metsman
G.O.A.T.
In reality Federer has committed numerous murders and felonies while on court, including sometimes to the opposing player (how do you think Djokovic really got that injury in 16/17 that opened the door for 3 slams?). However, a combination of Swiss bank based international finance cartel bribery of the correct people along with the typical Swiss pharmaceuticals wiping the memory of those who can't be bought usually keep these events from the public.
I disagree. It could happen to anyone as this was a ball sent back to ball personnel. Frustration and anger associated with hitting the ball was manufactured later by pundits to justify the decision. In fact, I thought that Djokovic played very well and was confident to the point that he experimented. What made a huge difference and gave unique flavor was the response from the person who was hit and her clear negative attitude towards Djokovic; in that sense Referee did not have a choice. However, I am glad that Djokovic was DQ as he should learn that he plays in environment that will do anything to stop him and that will use any possible excuse to harm him.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
The lines persons are not ball personell. They stand with their hands behind their backs.
To me they look similar with masks and based on Djokovic behavior my conclusion was that he mistook a line person for a ball person. It was just giving a ball without any anger and frustration. This is how it was. However, he needs to learn not to touch the ball when it is not in play and to do as little as possible on the court outside of play.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Novak knows exactly where they stand and can hit them without watching, as proven yesterday...
Sad for Novak and sad for the tournament
In what universe is hitting a ball unintentionally into a person worse than doing so with intent.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
If it were Nadal, disqualification on the spot. If it were Fed they'd have given her a couple of throat lozenges and told her (literally) to "suck it up!" which would have been fine with me since Fed's my favourite male tennis idol.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Another one
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I'm on the fence. I can't see Rafa doing this in the first place, so if he somehow hit someone it would not have been an anger thing. Fed is in the middle somewhere. He's be more likely to get away with accidentally hitting someone, even if he was annoyed, but not if he was unfortunate enough to hit someone in the throat.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal would never have done this. I've never seen him losing his temper smashing racquets or balls. He just doesn't do that stuff EVER on a tennis court.
As for Federer, had he done this, he would be defaulted too.
But Fed would have accepted, he wouldn't have argued. He would have done the press conference instead of running away as Novak did.
As for Federer, had he done this, he would be defaulted too.
But Fed would have accepted, he wouldn't have argued. He would have done the press conference instead of running away as Novak did.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal will do all kinds of gyrations, jumps and insane fist pumps etc -- but I've never seen him hit a ball out of frustration or trash his racquet. He's like Pistol Pete in that regard.
Technology Ruined Tennis
Hall of Fame
I think if this USO had been a normal event with fans, the odds of Joker getting a dq are lower. With fans, the incentive to protect the revenue generated by a sold out final would make the higher-ups think twice about kicking out their only star in the draw.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Raiden
Hall of Fame
Exactly.
That's the real reason why DQs are rare: because officials compromise and cater to special interests (like TV stations)
Otherwise many many more DQs would have existed — for example this egregious case in 03 French Open semi final where Guillermo Coria escaped DQ even tho he recklessly threw and hit someone WITH HIS RACKET (never mind ball). They blatantly negotiated with the opponent (Verkerk) and the victim who said he was OK and can continue doing his job, "vous etes ça va? oui ca va!" and that was it. Oh and the victim got a free T shirt from Coria. That was good enough for the officials to not DQ him.
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tennis tom
Legend
Thanks for the video! Some important differences, she didn't get hit in the throat and collapse in a puddle, she got more than a "t-shirt", it was a collared Adidas shirt off Coria's back which is probably worth a few bucks on **** for it's historic provenance, Coria showed sincere overwhelming remorse for his action worthy of an Academy Award nomination.
Meles
Bionic Poster
flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
I bl**dy well hope they would have been defaulted too, but it's impossible to know for sure.
What I do know for sure, though, is that they would have manned up and come to the post game press conference.
Djokovic didn't, as he felt the risk was very high that he would have compounded the issue by a very public brain explosion in that conference.
What I do know for sure, though, is that they would have manned up and come to the post game press conference.
Djokovic didn't, as he felt the risk was very high that he would have compounded the issue by a very public brain explosion in that conference.
