Would Henin now have more slams than Serena had she not retired?

[deltox]

LOL at a 6'4, 250 lb Serena. What an idiotic statement. If she was 250, she wouldn't be a tennis player, she'd look something more like this.

Serena's bigger than most players, but she's not a wildebeast, let's get that straight.

of course i exagerated the weight and height to put emphasis on it. facts are she has more genetic muscle and size which equal more power. she overpowers her opponents, always has always will. but to include serena above henin on grass is kinda crazy, venus yes for sure, that chick can play on grass but not serena, just because she can overpower "most" doesnt mean she could own henin on grass.

as for the other remarks in this thread, your half right, i dont watch much female tennis. other half of the facts about me not playing is well, ridiculous.

only fanbois of serena can disagree that she is barely a top ten player by skill alone, its her power that she prevails with.

 

[deltox]

WTF???? aren't most of the best women players of today HUGE. Sharapova is... HUGE, Safina is... HUGE. All of the best players in todays game are big. Don't u dare tell me, someone who's 5'8" and 130 lbs that the game is about power and size. Power has nothing to do with how hard the ball is hit, it's 95% about skill and technique. Yes, if skill and technique are equal, then the more naturally athletic player will win. U obviously dont understand the sport if u think Serena's dominant 100% because of her size and athleticism. To call her repulsive like an animal is also very demeaning. U should really watch ur words if u dont mean to offend anyone.

sharapova is huge? i meant purely by body mass, whcih is what serena uses to draw her power. i have major respect for venus williams, but for serena, she doesnt play with true tennis skill, she uses brute force.

as for not knowing about sizes, im 6'4" 185 and i know my size is an insane advantage. same holds true in all sports, except in football we dont say a 400 pound lineman has true football skill, he just makes a large detour. tennis and womens tennis recently is the only sport defining women who can just overpower their opponents with size and genetic athleticism as having skill.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

And Sharapova is so skilled, with her excellent volleys and technique. She should S&V more often, that skillful Sharapova.

 

[Bilbo]

sharapova is huge? i meant purely by body mass, whcih is what serena uses to draw her power. i have major respect for venus williams, but for serena, she doesnt play with true tennis skill, she uses brute force.

as for not knowing about sizes, im 6'4" 185 and i know my size is an insane advantage. same holds true in all sports, except in football we dont say a 400 pound lineman has true football skill, he just makes a large detour. tennis and womens tennis recently is the only sport defining women who can just overpower their opponents with size and genetic athleticism as having skill.

if height and power were all it took to win grand slams, mark phillopousis (excuse my spelling) would have more grand slams than everyone. Your argument is stupid anyway, there's absolutely no way u can prove or support ur claim about serena winning ALL of her matches due to her being a "repulsive, ugly, monster, who dominates all with her crushing man-power". She is a human, she's not She-Man for Christ Sake.

 

[thalivest]

if height and power were all it took to win grand slams, mark phillopousis (excuse my spelling) would have more grand slams than everyone.

That is mens tennis. You cant compare mens tennis to womens. Even less can you compare a strong period of mens tennis to the worst period of womens tennis in history. A female Philippoussis would win many slams today.

 

[deltox]

if height and power were all it took to win grand slams, mark phillopousis (excuse my spelling) would have more grand slams than everyone. Your argument is stupid anyway, there's absolutely no way u can prove or support ur claim about serena winning ALL of her matches due to her being a "repulsive, ugly, monster, who dominates all with her crushing man-power". She is a human, she's not She-Man for Christ Sake.

dont rage out, i just stated the obvious to anyone ive ever spoken to. yeah she merely overpowers her opponents in 99% of the occasions, slams included. there is only a select few in history who have that special gear that kicks in during slams. federer nadal, agassi, sampras etc. in the females game there is no "active" player today that has that special extra gear.

 

[deltox]

And Sharapova is so skilled, with her excellent volleys and technique. She should S&V more often, that skillful Sharapova.

she has a wicked forehand and tons of other skills, she sure doesnt overpower her opponents when playing someone else with confidence.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Do you even watch women tennis? I get you are not attracted to Serena Williams. To each his own. But if you think that just being strong is the only key to winning tennis, you have exposed yourself as someone who does not have a clue about the sport.

And that my friend is the cold hard truth.

Rational response. The "genetics" argument used by some is just another way of saying "she cannot possibly have the talent/mind combination over the others. That is impossible, so it MUST be a genetic advantage of strength. Nothing more."

Unfortunately, that kind of argument has been used decade after decade where certain athletes are concerned.

It is just too painful for some to admit that Serena's mind and talents are superior because that is just her--her individual gifts and hard work combined to give her more than an edge over many on tour--the driving force behind her career.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Sharapova is all power,are you kidding me. Oh wait, she's "so determined, so much heart", aka, she has no skill, tenniswise. At least not as much as Serena, an accomplished doubles player who has more skill as far as getting to the net than Sharapova could ever dream. Sharapova's a pure baseliner, at least Serena tries to come in every once in a while.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

she has a wicked forehand and tons of other skills, she sure doesnt overpower her opponents when playing someone else with confidence.

Name these alleged "tons of other skills."

 

[grafselesfan]

Sharapova is all power,are you kidding me. Oh wait, she's "so determined, so much heart", aka, she has no skill, tenniswise. At least not as much as Serena, an accomplished doubles player who has more skill as far as getting to the net than Sharapova could ever dream. Sharapova's a pure baseliner, at least Serena tries to come in every once in a while.

I agree with you on Maria. She benefits from being very tall and able to thump the ball even more than Serena benefits from being very muscular and able to thump the ball. Despite her complete aversion to fitness and training these days Serena atleast does have great all arond tennis to play tennis, not just bang although she does that better than pretty much anyone. Unfortunately it isnt maximized like it used to be letting herself be so badly otu of shape these days, and not training or playing as much as she needs to, but the overall talent is still apparent even in its now rougher and less fulfilled state. Maria is just a slugger, nothing else really. She works hard at her game but really has no other dimensions as much as she tries.

 

[scotus]

Justine was struggling in 08 for sure.

She lacked motivation and her nagging knee injury kept coming back.

That said, it still does not mean she was past her prime.

Slumps and injuries plague every athlete. But they do not necessarily spell the "end" for the athlete.

Remember how Justine stormed back on the tour and won pretty much every title after taking a year off due to her mono?

With enough rest and full recovery, she could still be winning titles left and right.

 

[deltox]

Name these alleged "tons of other skills."

her serve didnt suck til after the shoulder injury, here is one for you, she is "fit" unlike your idol. she has more stamina, as much agression, although she doesnt have a full all around game i fully admit, she is not weaponless.

 

[gj011]

No. I don't think Henin would have won any more slams. She was playing pretty bad for the whole 2008 before retirement and if she felt she still had it in her she would not have retired.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

No. I don't think Henin would have won any more slams. She was playing pretty bad for the whole 2008 before retirement and if she felt she still had it in her she would not have retired.

I agree dude. Good to see ya back. Hope it's no hard feelings or anything. If so, I'm sorry. But that's water under the bridge now.

 

[Ripster]

Yeah the OP affirmed my thoughts that Henin would lead the GS count over Serena. I always thought that she was the one to beat on all surfaces besides grass. During '08 she lost her drive and motivation so I'm not sure why people are harping on that. The woman's field in the second half of last year and this year as well has been pathetic. Even a burned out Henin could have won the French and possibly the US Open last year. Not to mention the Australian and French this year lol.

 

[imalil2gangsta4u]

Henin retired for a reason. Her motivation had gone and she was losing to people like Schiavone whom she normally owned. If she continued to play, her results probably would've got worse. Yes I agree that she would still be winning slams if she had got her motivation back and would likely have more than Serena now. But she didn't, so that's the way it is.

Good answer.