Would it not make sense if Masters 1000....

kevaninho

kevaninho

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Tournaments were given a shake up?
Shouldn't there be one before the AO? before Wimbledon?
It seems also pointless to me having IW and Miami thrown in randomly before the clay season.

Ideally there should be 2 at the start of the season before AO, keep 3 before the FO.
I see why it would be difficult to add more than 1 grass masters event before Wimbledon the way its so close after RG, but call that another 1, which gives 6.
Obviously keep a couple before USO gives 8, and then keep Shanghai just for the sake of keeping the fans over there happy, plus its something before the WTF.

Thoughts?
I really do think it would be great starting the season with 2 Masters events building up to the first slam, rather than IW and Miami after AO.
 
kevaninho said:
Tournaments were given a shake up?
Shouldn't there be one before the AO? before Wimbledon?
It seems also pointless to me having IW and Miami thrown in randomly before the clay season.

Ideally there should be 2 at the start of the season before AO, keep 3 before the FO.
I see why it would be difficult to add more than 1 grass masters event before Wimbledon the way its so close after RG, but call that another 1, which gives 6.
Obviously keep a couple before USO gives 8, and then keep Shanghai just for the sake of keeping the fans over there happy, plus its something before the WTF.

Thoughts?
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It wouldn’t, make Queens a Masters
 
kevaninho said:
Tournaments were given a shake up?
Shouldn't there be one before the AO? before Wimbledon?
It seems also pointless to me having IW and Miami thrown in randomly before the clay season.

Ideally there should be 2 at the start of the season before AO, keep 3 before the FO.
I see why it would be difficult to add more than 1 grass masters event before Wimbledon the way its so close after RG, but call that another 1, which gives 6.
Obviously keep a couple before USO gives 8, and then keep Shanghai just for the sake of keeping the fans over there happy, plus its something before the WTF.

Thoughts?
I really do think it would be great starting the season with 2 Masters events building up to the first slam, rather than IW and Miami after AO.
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Masters series at the start of the season? I can't see any of the top guys playing that event. AO usually starts 2nd or 3rd Monday in January, so a Masters 1000 event like the week before the first slam of the year makes zero sense. Also, the logistics of where it would be played would be a nightmare as well.

In the interest of parity, there should be a grass court Masters event, but since the grass court season is so short, it makes it difficult for that. The only thing I could think of is to move Halle up to be played the week of Stuttgart and the same with Queens Club, and then have a grass Masters 1000 series right after that but before Wimbledon. I'd be in favor of the removal of Paris as a masters event, to be honest. Most players are eager to go into the offseason by the time Paris rolls around, and the ones who qualify for the WTFs usually don't play it anyway.
 
tennis_pro said:
Too much.

Just downgrade Monte Carlo to Futures level. There are so many players who skip this tournament you basically got a shot to enter if you're capable of holding a racquet. If you're a 4.0 player you have a chance to reach the semis and play Nadal there.
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Hmmm?

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tennis_pro said:
Too much.

Just downgrade Monte Carlo to Futures level. There are so many players who skip this tournament you basically got a shot to enter if you're capable of holding a racquet. If you're a 4.0 player you have a chance to reach the semis and play Nadal there.
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Federer has participated 13 times and Djokovic 11 times in Montecarlo.
 
Starting with AO is an excellent way to kickoff the season. Definitely would not put a masters, let alone 2, before it.
 
tennis_pro said:
Too much.

Just downgrade Monte Carlo to Futures level. There are so many players who skip this tournament you basically got a shot to enter if you're capable of holding a racquet. If you're a 4.0 player you have a chance to reach the semis and play Nadal there.
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I say downgrade Rome too, or put carpet on clay while goat is playing.
 
Make Paris a 500 (rafasmiling.gif) and put a masters 1000 in Brisbane or somewhere in Australia before the Australian Open. Then make Miami a 500 and put if before IW, keep clay as is, make Queens a 1000, keep pre-USO as is, then Shanghai, which gets either a permanent roof or a new stadium for an indoor masters.

So it would look like this:
AUSTRALIAN MASTERS (Hard, January, ideally a grand venue like Milan to make up for the lack of history)
BNP Paribas Open (Hard, March, after Miami 500)
Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters (Clay, April)
Mutua Madrid Open (Clay, May)
Internazionali BNL D'Italia (Clay, May)
AEGON Queens Masters (Grass, June)
Rogers Cup (Hard, August)
Western & Southern Open (Hard, August)
Shanghai Rolex Masters (Indoor, October)
(Paris 500)
 
King No1e said:
Make Paris a 500 (rafasmiling.gif) and put a masters 1000 in Brisbane or somewhere in Australia before the Australian Open. Then make Miami a 500 and put if before IW, keep clay as is, make Queens a 1000, keep pre-USO as is, then Shanghai, which gets either a permanent roof or a new stadium for an indoor masters.

So it would look like this:
AUSTRALIAN MASTERS (Hard, January, ideally a grand venue like Milan to make up for the lack of history)
BNP Paribas Open (Hard, March, after Miami 500)
Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters (Clay, April)
Mutua Madrid Open (Clay, May)
Internazionali BNL D'Italia (Clay, May)
AEGON Queens Masters (Grass, June)
Rogers Cup (Hard, August)
Western & Southern Open (Hard, August)
Shanghai Rolex Masters (Indoor, October)
(Paris 500)
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Brisbane is close to getting axed and Queens is Fever-Tree Championships now.
 
Im(moral) Winner said:
Brisbane is close to getting axed and Queens is Fever-Tree Championships now.
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Not Brisbane then. A completely new venue, maybe take that Mickey Mouse Sydney tournament, get a new grand venue to rival the Opera House, a breathtaking blue AOesque (or the dark grey Laver Cup style court), and start the year with a bang.
 
kevaninho said:
Tournaments were given a shake up?
Shouldn't there be one before the AO? before Wimbledon?
It seems also pointless to me having IW and Miami thrown in randomly before the clay season.

Ideally there should be 2 at the start of the season before AO, keep 3 before the FO.
I see why it would be difficult to add more than 1 grass masters event before Wimbledon the way its so close after RG, but call that another 1, which gives 6.
Obviously keep a couple before USO gives 8, and then keep Shanghai just for the sake of keeping the fans over there happy, plus its something before the WTF.

Thoughts?
I really do think it would be great starting the season with 2 Masters events building up to the first slam, rather than IW and Miami after AO.
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Ideally it would be good to have masters leading into the AO, though I do like having the year start off with a few minor events and then a slam, it's the only case where players go in cold and that makes it kind of exciting and hard to call. The Fed vs Nadal final and the emergence of Nole 2.0 wouldn't have been nearly as cool without this.

But I've often thought there should be 2 masters leading in. Thing is you'd have to move the AO and also doesn't really make sense having masters in the US and then the AO, so if this did happen, move Shanghai to the start of the year as a single warm up event. Add one grass masters. Before the USO have 3 masters, the current two plus either IW or Miami. this will push the US Open back til september/october. Paris could go but you need one indoors masters so not sure about that. Maybe make Shanghai indoors and remove paris
 
I agree the Masters 1000 events could use a shakeup. I would keep the number at 9 for the history, but rearrange the schedule and possibly change the events. Thoughts:
  • it does seem like there should be one on HC before the AO. It is odd to start the season with one of the top four events.
  • If there is a city that could support one, I'd like to see a masters 1000 event in Latin America (Miami doesn't count). Possibly raise existing tourney in Rio, Buenos Aires, Sao Paolo, etc.
  • There should be one grass masters 1000 event, ideally between FO and Wimbledon. In Europe for travel purposes. Maybe Halle? Queens is great, but London has Wimbledon and the finals.
  • There should be a longer offseason for the players to recover.
  • If at all possible, Masters 1000 events should be combined with WTA. I think this is good for the sport and both tours, and makes the tournaments feel bigger.
My $.02. Curious what others think.
 
tennis_pro said:
Too much.

Just downgrade Monte Carlo to Futures level. There are so many players who skip this tournament you basically got a shot to enter if you're capable of holding a racquet. If you're a 4.0 player you have a chance to reach the semis and play Nadal there.
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Your posts suck as much as your new avi.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Masters series at the start of the season? I can't see any of the top guys playing that event. AO usually starts 2nd or 3rd Monday in January, so a Masters 1000 event like the week before the first slam of the year makes zero sense. Also, the logistics of where it would be played would be a nightmare as well.

In the interest of parity, there should be a grass court Masters event, but since the grass court season is so short, it makes it difficult for that. The only thing I could think of is to move Halle up to be played the week of Stuttgart and the same with Queens Club, and then have a grass Masters 1000 series right after that but before Wimbledon. I'd be in favor of the removal of Paris as a masters event, to be honest. Most players are eager to go into the offseason by the time Paris rolls around, and the ones who qualify for the WTFs usually don't play it anyway.
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What difference does it make having a masters instead of a 500 the weeks before the AO?
I think it would give more impetus on players wanting to win it rather than Miami and IW, which have no real reason to be on the calendar unless they were BEFORE a HC slam.
Let players start the season off with a 500 if they like, but putting a Masters before each slam seems more reasonable to me.
There is no reason why North America needs 1 slam and half the Masters events.
 
You make Halle a Masters, not because of Federer but because of Germany who lost Hamburg.

You might consider upgrading Brisbane to a 500 event before the AO but that's it.

But the main thing with the Masters is making them Bo5 Final or even Semis and Final.

Miami isn't going to get downgraded because of the money involved but I'd downgrade Canada or Paris.
 
kevaninho said:
What difference does it make having a masters instead of a 500 the weeks before the AO?
I think it would give more impetus on players wanting to win it rather than Miami and IW, which have no real reason to be on the calendar unless they were BEFORE a HC slam.
Let players start the season off with a 500 if they like, but putting a Masters before each slam seems more reasonable to me.
There is no reason why North America needs 1 slam and half the Masters events.
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Technically 8/9 Masters events are mandatory for all players gaining direct entry. The exception being Monte Carlo.

This is provided that they don't have an injury verified by the ATP, and they haven't met the criteria of having played 600 or more tour-level matches, 12 years of service on the tour and are over the age of 30. If all three criteria are met, then a player has no commitment to play any Masters 1000 event.

As far as the disparity in terms of Masters 1000 locations - Well, there are 4 in Europe in close proximity to each other, and 2 Slams, and yet I don't hear you sounding off about that...

Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome, French Open, Wimbledon and Paris.... Yet you want to complain that North America has too many Masters?? You should do some research before you make another poast.
 
BGod said:
You make Halle a Masters, not because of Federer but because of Germany who lost Hamburg.

You might consider upgrading Brisbane to a 500 event before the AO but that's it.

But the main thing with the Masters is making them Bo5 Final or even Semis and Final.

Miami isn't going to get downgraded because of the money involved but I'd downgrade Canada or Paris.
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I hear that's close to getting axed though. Might be better to make the Sydney event a 500 instead.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Technically 8/9 Masters events are mandatory for all players gaining direct entry. The exception being Monte Carlo.

This is provided that they don't have an injury verified by the ATP, and they haven't met the criteria of having played 600 or more tour-level matches, 12 years of service on the tour and are over the age of 30. If all three criteria are met, then a player has no commitment to play any Masters 1000 event.

As far as the disparity in terms of Masters 1000 locations - Well, there are 4 in Europe in close proximity to each other, and 2 Slams, and yet I don't hear you sounding off about that...

Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome, French Open, Wimbledon and Paris.... Yet you want to complain that North America has too many Masters?? You should do some research before you make another poast.
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What are you talking about? Just because I stated that it would be more fair if AO had a Masters title before it ?
Oh lets not take anything away from your precious America eh :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Vanilla Slice said:
AO

Miami
Indian Wells

MC
Madrid
Rome
RG

Queens (masters)
Wimbledon

Montreal
Cincy
US open

Shanghai
WTF
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Thought move the US open later into september giving freedom for players to play in better weather and spread out the summer season so players have some rest. Another is to change the open to har tru which is our clay. That would help with fatigue incurred by the pounding taken on the hard courts
 
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