Would Nadal have beaten Wawrinka at RG15 final?

Would Nadal have won RG15 if he beat Djokovic?

  • Yes; beats Stan to win

    Votes: 29 48.3%
  • No; Wawrinka beats him

    Votes: 13 21.7%
  • Would lose to Murray SF, not Wawrinka

    Votes: 18 30.0%

  • Total voters


Swiss Lion > > > > Finnish kapybara

Hahahaha, the animal which resembles Rafa has now been banned from TT, had to misspell it :laughing:


Hall of Fame
I'm struggling to figure out why this even matters and to a lesser extent, what my answer would mean in the greater scheme of tennis (and cosmology as we know it). It seems additionally trivial when Nadal played in that same tournament.

Almost everyone would agree that beating Rafa at RG is the greatest challenge in tennis. Now, the 2015 Rafa may have been his worst single-year version, but does that matter. Novak is still one of only two players to ever beat him there.

Stan and Novak have each entered RG 15 times, and won it once. Stan's overall record is a very good 42-14, and he's made the quarters or higher five times. Novak's overall record at RG is an outstanding 68-14, and he's made the QFs or higher 12 times. Most would say that Novak has been the (much?) better player at RG over the course of their careers. It didn't matter in the finals, and Stan earned it. Period. And it was no shame to lose to that version of Stan.


Talk Tennis Guru
Would he have even defeated Murray in the SF?

Untestable question, thus no answer will be valid anyway.

In a seminal paper in the Annals of Generalized Assessments of Goatology (A-GAG), a research team led by professors Ernest Fälschung and Ina Unecht (2017) tested this pressing question using the latest, most advanced form of quantum-based statistical forecasting models.

Goatology Forecasting Method Using Artificial Neural Network Based on Quantum-behaved Particle Swarm Optimization
Abstract: Statistical Predictions of Retrospective Tennis (SPORT) is of great significance for the optimal operation and power predication of Greatness-Ontology Assessments in Tennis (GOAT) debates. However, SPORT is very complex to handle due to the random and nonlinear characteristics of hypothetical tennis matches under changeable weather conditions and the stochastic nature of tennis players' form and health status. Artificial Neural Tennis Integrative Calculation (ANTIC) is suitable for SPORT modeling and many research works on this topic are presented. After discussing the relation between weather variations and Nadal injury status, the characteristics of the statistical feature parameters of Hypothetical Tennis under different weather conditions are figured out. A novel ANTIC model using statistical feature parameters (ANTIC-SFP) for SPORT is proposed in this paper. The input vector is reconstructed with several statistical feature parameters of Nadal injury status and ambient temperature. Thus sufficient information can be effectively extracted from relatively few inputs and the model complexity is reduced. The Levenberg-Marquardt Algorithm Output (LMAO) is used for the network training. Simulations are carried out to validate and compare the proposed model with the conventional ANTIC model using Historical Analysis of Hypothetical Assessment (HA-HA), and the results indicated that Andy Murray would definitively defeat Rafael Nadal at the 2015 French Open. We conclude that mury goat.
Figure 1.
= mury goat
No fandom bias here, because I'm pretty sure RG15 hurts for every fan. Nadal's 5-peat ends, Djokovic misses CGS, Federer gets rolled by his pigeon.

If Nadal had beaten Djokovic again in 2015, would he have been the champion? How likely would it have been that Stan's game works as well against RG Nadal as it did against Djokovic?
Wawrinka favs would be happy with the result, no?