Would Nadal still win the French Open in a draw like this and how many sets would he drop?

Sunny014

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All the matches would be played with modern day equipment

1st Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Guillermo Vilas
2nd Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Matty Wilander
3rd Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Ivan Lendl
4th Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Roger Federer
Quarterfinal - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Novak Djokovic
Semi Final - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Gustavo Kuerten
Final - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Bjorn Borg

Winner = ?
 
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Sunny014 said:
All the matches would be played with modern day equipment
Winner = ?
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I would have put Muster in that mix.

I think Nadal there's actually a possibility Rafa would lose in this event because all of these guys would tire him out. Muster got everything back on clay and ran all day and night. Nadal would brush aside Vilas and Wilander with ease, but not so the other players you listed. I still think Nadal would win this 85% of the time, but it's not a gimme. Lendl and Guga would keep him out there 3-4 hours, by the time he reaches Borg, he might be running on fumes. Another point is that Lendl, Guga and Borg didn't choke on clay. They wouldn't have been intimidated or mowed over like mental midget Thiem.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
I would have put Muster in that mix.

I think Nadal there's actually a possibility Rafa would lose in this event because all of these guys would tire him out. Muster got everything back on clay and ran all day and night. Nadal would brush aside Vilas and Wilander with ease, but not so the other players you listed. I still think Nadal would win this 85% of the time, but it's not a gimme. Lendl and Guga would keep him out there 3-4 hours, by the time he reaches Borg, he might be running on fumes. Another point is that Lendl, Guga and Borg didn't choke on clay. They wouldn't have been intimidated or mowed over like mental midget Thiem.
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If 2008 Nadal is up against someone only half as good as him then I feel they cannot tire him out.

It is like Superman facing the Martian Manhunter in round 1, then Wonderwoman in round 2, Shazam in Round 3 and then Batman in round 4. These guys cannot tire him out, he would crush them all without breaking a sweat (in straight sets). :D

If you really wanna Tire Superman out then he has to face Brianiac in the Quarterfinals, then Doomsday in the Semi Finals and then Lord Darkseid should wait for him in the finals. :cool:

Only Superheavyweights can tire out Nadal, except Guga who is tall and can take on the high topspin nobody can tire out Nadal before he reaches Bjorg.

Even Djokovic he can bagel with ease :-D

Peak Nadal can play 5 hours back to back like he did vs Verdasco in the Semi Finals of Aus Open 2009 and then again did that vs Federer in the final....

I guess Guga/Bjorg might be able to take a set off Nadal, others seem incapable :sneaky:
 
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Sunny014 said:
All the matches would be played with modern day equipment

1st Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Guillermo Vilas
2nd Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Matty Wilander
3rd Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Ivan Lendl
4th Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Roger Federer
Quarterfinal - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Novak Djokovic
Semi Final - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Gustavo Kuerten
Final - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Bjorn Borg

Winner = ?
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hetthegreat, is that you???
 
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Sunny014 said:
All the matches would be played with modern day equipment

1st Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Guillermo Vilas
2nd Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Matty Wilander
3rd Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Ivan Lendl
4th Round - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Roger Federer
Quarterfinal - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Novak Djokovic
Semi Final - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Gustavo Kuerten
Final - Peak Rafael Nadal vs Peak Bjorn Borg

Winner = ?
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As Mike Sams suggested, just play Fed and Djoker back-to-back on the same day.
 
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Antonio Puente said:
As Mike Sams suggested, just play Fed and Djoker back-to-back on the same day.
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Nadal would win in 6 sets, which is the equivallent to a match of similar duration as the WB 2018 SF (the fifth set ended up with 10 games for Djokovic, meaning the match lasted almost 6 sets).
 
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If he is playing all of those players at their peak in a gauntlet, he'll lose due to being worn down along the way.
 
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Nadal never won RG playing an accomplished clay court player of potential ATG caliber. His biggest rivals on the surface are HC/grass specialists.

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He could very well lose to Borg, but gets through everyone else with loss of a set max to Guga
 
Sunny014

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Nadal is literally Superman on Clay.

As good as Lendl, Wilander and Djokovic are, they are no match for 2008 Nadal.

I dare say even Bjorg will find it very tough to take set off Nadal.

Check this video to see how Nadal used to move in 2005-08, he probably could take on 2 guys at the other end of the court in a handicap match if needed, he is that good :D

 
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BeatlesFan said:
I would have put Muster in that mix.

I think Nadal there's actually a possibility Rafa would lose in this event because all of these guys would tire him out. Muster got everything back on clay and ran all day and night. Nadal would brush aside Vilas and Wilander with ease, but not so the other players you listed. I still think Nadal would win this 85% of the time, but it's not a gimme. Lendl and Guga would keep him out there 3-4 hours, by the time he reaches Borg, he might be running on fumes. Another point is that Lendl, Guga and Borg didn't choke on clay. They wouldn't have been intimidated or mowed over like mental midget Thiem.
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If there is any logic to a thread like this it is that even an ATG can't survive winning match after match going to 4 and 5 hard sets, so if you assume Nadal faces 7 ridiculously talented and stubborn opponents in a row, it only makes sense in a field where everyone is equally talented - which of course would result in totally unexpected results.

And of course this does not even get into the idea of former greats all playing at their peak level with today's equipment and today's training. This is as much fantasy as anything I've seen in this forum.
 
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Vilas, Borg, Lendl, Wilander have an obsolete game.

I'd prefer to see him against

1st: Kuerten
2nd: Soderling
3d: Wawrinka
4th: Murray
QF: Thiem
SF: Federer
F: Djokovic
 
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He would win the tournament because if it’s a Slam with normal scheduling he still has his day off after every match, so fatigue won’t be a factor. And it’s still unsure to unlikely if he even has to play 5 sets in a match.
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
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Nadal never won RG playing an accomplished clay court player of potential ATG caliber. His biggest rivals on the surface are HC/grass specialists.
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Both Federer and Djokovic were of potential ATG caliber on clay. Nadal denied about 5 potential RG titles from both of them in semifinals and finals. In other words, there was strong competition, but Nadal's unequalled power and talent to dominate on clay prevailed.
 
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Sport said:
Both Federer and Djokovic were of potential ATG caliber on clay. Nadal denied about 5 potential RG titles from both of them in semifinals and finals. In other words, there was strong competition, but Nadal's unequalled power and talent to dominate on clay prevailed.
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No they were not. In their quests for clay court glory they were clearly beaten by other players whose strongest surface sometimes was't even clay court. Both of them.

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Sunny014

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Nadal would still have won 12-13 French Opens if he was from the 1990s.
He is just too fast and too strong on his forehand to be beaten by anyone and his stamina is also second to none.
 
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Gary Duane said:
If there is any logic to a thread like this it is that even an ATG can't survive winning match after match going to 4 and 5 hard sets, so if you assume Nadal faces 7 ridiculously talented and stubborn opponents in a row, it only makes sense in a field where everyone is equally talented - which of course would result in totally unexpected results.

And of course this does not even get into the idea of former greats all playing at their peak level with today's equipment and today's training. This is as much fantasy as anything I've seen in this forum.
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Sir,
He wouldn't go 4-5 sets, he would be beating most of them in straight sets because they would clearly struggle against his speed+power+stamina.
Plus he would be getting a day gap as well between matches, so fatigue wouldn't be a concern and he is well equipped to play back to back 5 setters as well if needed, he is built like a bull.
 
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Sunny014 said:
Nadal would still have won 12-13 French Opens if he was from the 1990s.
He is just too fast and too strong on his forehand to be beaten by anyone and his stamina is also second to none.
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Nadal was beaten by Sjoderling and Djokovic, so the idea that Nadal is some unbeatable force is fantasyland territory, and before you tell me that we are talking about "peak" Nadal here, "Peak" Kuerten was also never defeated in a RG final, and some would claim the same about Borg, although his defeat against Panatta (not in a final, though) wasn't exactly a massive surprise.

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Sunny014

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Tennis_Hands said:
Nadal was beaten by Sjoderling and Djokovic, so the idea that Nadal is some unbeatable force is fantasyland territory, and before you tell me that we are talking about "peak" Nadal here, "Peak" Kuerten was also never defeated in a RG final, and some would claim the same about Borg, although his defeat against Panatta (not in a final, though) wasn't exactly a massive surprise.

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Odd defeats will always come to every sportsman. ... It is called the law of averages. ...

Nature always sends someone to brake you to prevent a stretch of dominance but it doesn't mean the person putting the brakes is better than you.

Nadal braked Federer's wimbledon run of 5
Soderling braked Nadal's run of 4 in 09
Djokovic also braked Nadal's run of 5 in 2015
Even Bjorg's run was braked by someone. ...
Sampras's run was also braked by Federer nd then Sampras understood that his time is over nd his successor had arrived.

But what separates Nadal from these fellows is that even after the brake he started another big run, now he is in the 3rd run of another 4

Nadal is the only champion in history who has guarded his slam in 2 different generations, that is a BIG FEAT.

He guarded his French Open in the 00s against the reigning champion of that decade Federer
He guarded his French Open in the 10s against the reigning champion of that decade Djokovic
Now his aim is to guard his French Open in the 20s against the reigning champion of this 3rd generation among youngsters, he might succeed in that as well ...we never know.....

Why is he doing these feats nobody has ever done before ? Nobody has guarded their title even against the second generation.

Most all time greats operate at 5th gear and when pushed to the limit they have a 6th gear.
In Nadal's case in 2008 he was already operating at 6th or 7th gear which is beyond the maximum operating capacity of anyone, incase someone matches that he has the 8th, 9th gears and probably a 10th too ..... hehe
So even in old age he can afford to operate at 6th gear which is still higher than Thiem who is still at 4th and needs to find his 5th nd maybe o his best day find a 6th to even push Nadal into his 7th.......

So in short this is how things would look

Player .......... Normal Gear ..... Top Gear at his peak ..... Extreme Gear reserved to be used when pushed to the limit

Nadal ..................5th/6th............... 7th .................................... 8th/9th/10th (yet to use these gears)
Djokovic ................4th......................5th ................................... 6th
Federer ....................4th....................5th ..................................... 6th
Bjorg ........................4th.................... 5th .................................... 6th

Others also the same ....

So Djokovic at 5th/6th in 2015 final caught an unfit Nadal operating at maybe 4th or 5th, but in 2020 he met Nadal operating at 7th while he himself was only at 5th, hence the Bagel :-D:-D:-D
 
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Sunny014 said:
Odd defeats will always come to every sportsman. ... It is called the law of averages. ...

Nature always sends someone to brake you to prevent a stretch of dominance but it doesn't mean the person putting the brakes is better than you.

Nadal braked Federer's wimbledon run of 5
Soderling braked Nadal's run of 4 in 09
Djokovic also braked Nadal's run of 5 in 2015
Even Bjorg's run was braked by someone. ...
Sampras's run was also braked by Federer nd then Sampras understood that his time is over nd his successor had arrived.

But what separates Nadal from these fellows is that even after the brake he started another big run, now he is in the 3rd run of another 4

Nadal is the only champion in history who has guarded his slam in 2 different generations, that is a BIG FEAT.

He guarded his French Open in the 00s against the reigning champion of that decade Federer
He guarded his French Open in the 10s against the reigning champion of that decade Djokovic
Now his aim is to guard his French Open in the 20s against the reigning champion of this 3rd generation among youngsters, he might succeed in that as well ...we never know.....

Why is he doing these feats nobody has ever done before ? Nobody has guarded their title even against the second generation.

Most all time greats operate at 5th gear and when pushed to the limit they have a 6th gear.
In Nadal's case in 2008 he was already operating at 6th or 7th gear which is beyond the maximum operating capacity of anyone, incase someone matches that he has the 8th, 9th gears and probably a 10th too ..... hehe
So even in old age he can afford to operate at 6th gear which is still higher than Thiem who is still at 4th and needs to find his 5th nd maybe o his best day find a 6th to even push Nadal into his 7th.......

So in short this is how things would look

Player .......... Normal Gear ..... Top Gear at his peak ..... Extreme Gear reserved to be used when pushed to the limit

Nadal ..................5th/6th............... 7th .................................... 8th/9th/10th (yet to use these gears)
Djokovic ................4th......................5th ................................... 6th
Federer ....................4th....................5th ..................................... 6th
Bjorg ........................4th.................... 5th .................................... 6th

Others also the same ....

So Djokovic at 5th/6th in 2015 final caught an unfit Nadal operating at maybe 4th or 5th, but in 2020 he met Nadal operating at 7th while he himself was only at 5th, hence the Bagel :-D:-D:-D
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The same Law of averages says that he will lose sometime in any era, and what better circumstances than playing against proven RG champions?

Nadal is also the only serial RG champion in history that never had to deal with other accomplished great claycourter, and also from the only generation that never in their long career had to meet ANY younger ATG (proven himself on ANY surface), so those are two big firsts, also. Not so for other serial RG champions. But you are incorrect: he is guarding RG already in the third generation .... because it is a third consecutive generation where there is no proven younger ATG.

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Sunny014

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Tennis_Hands said:
The same Law of averages says that he will lose sometime in any era, and what better circumstances than playing against proven RG champions?

Nadal is also the only serial RG champion in history that never had to deal with other accomplished great claycourter, and also from the only generation that never in their long career had to meet ANY younger ATG (proven himself on ANY surface), so those are two big firsts, also. Not so for other serial RG champions. But you are incorrect: he is guarding RG already in the third generation .... because it is a third consecutive generation where there is no proven younger ATG.

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Federer, Djokovic are as much baseline ATGs as it gets, in other eras they too would a 3-4 times french open champs.
Maybe you seek someone like Brugera/Muster/Kuerten who were clay specialists but those same guys of those times are now all court specialists in this era. ....

In Nadal's case he was the young guy from the next generation who owned Federer's generation, then he owned his own generation in 2010s and yes like you said he has already begun dominating the 2020s guys too, his thumping wins over Sinner, Djokovic is all an indication of that as this decade has begun. .... So Nadal clearly is an abnormal freak.

Freak because not just French, he comes and every year he wins those Barcelonas and Monte Carlos too ..... there are no off days, everyday he is ahead of everyone.

This is only possible if your body is FAR AHEAD of everyone else, thats when it recovers quicker than everyone to not be rusty .....

Same with Federer in 00s, the guy was almost always at his best, one would wonder how but that is only be possible if his level was already really high .... whether technically he was perfect or not is another debate, but a high level of play almost always will produce such results

I strongly feel Federer's dominance in his prime and Nadal's was because they were freaks and not because of any weak field, they made the field weak.

Especially Nadal....
 
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Sunny014 said:
Federer, Djokovic are as much baseline ATGs as it gets, in other eras they too would a 3-4 times french open champs.
Maybe you seek someone like Brugera/Muster/Kuerten who were clay specialists but those same guys of those times are now all court specialists in this era. ....

In Nadal's case he was the young guy from the next generation who owned Federer's generation, then he owned his own generation in 2010s and yes like you said he has already begun dominating the 2020s guys too, his thumping wins over Sinner, Djokovic is all an indication of that as this decade has begun. .... So Nadal clearly is an abnormal freak.

Freak because not just French, he comes and every year he wins those Barcelonas and Monte Carlos too ..... there are no off days, everyday he is ahead of everyone.

This is only possible if your body is FAR AHEAD of everyone else, thats when it recovers quicker than everyone to not be rusty .....

Same with Federer in 00s, the guy was almost always at his best, one would wonder how but that is only be possible if his level was already really high .... whether technically he was perfect or not is another debate, but a high level of play almost always will produce such results

I strongly feel Federer's dominance in his prime and Nadal's was because they were freaks and not because of any weak field, they made the field weak.

Especially Nadal....
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Your post is basically one giant dream.

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BeatlesFan said:
I would have put Muster in that mix.

I think Nadal there's actually a possibility Rafa would lose in this event because all of these guys would tire him out. Muster got everything back on clay and ran all day and night. Nadal would brush aside Vilas and Wilander with ease, but not so the other players you listed. I still think Nadal would win this 85% of the time, but it's not a gimme. Lendl and Guga would keep him out there 3-4 hours, by the time he reaches Borg, he might be running on fumes. Another point is that Lendl, Guga and Borg didn't choke on clay. They wouldn't have been intimidated or mowed over like mental midget Thiem.
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If Thiem is a mental midget, then what can we say about Marin Cilic, Federer's rival in two GS finals, the same number of Nadal matches against the Austrian in that round?
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DSH said:
If Thiem is a mental midget, then what can we say about Marin Cilic, Federer's rival in two GS finals, the same number of Nadal matches against the Austrian in that round?
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as far as I remember, Cilic, when reached the final, wasn't trying to lose the match as hard as he could

Thiem on the other side, was afraid to win as soon as he got into the driving seat at AO final
and was afraid when he entered the USO final. But luckily for him Zverev was even more afraid, and copied Thiem strategy from the AO 2020 final
 
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blablavla said:
as far as I remember, Cilic, when reached the final, wasn't trying to lose the match as hard as he could

Thiem on the other side, was afraid to win as soon as he got into the driving seat at AO final
and was afraid when he entered the USO final. But luckily for him Zverev was even more afraid, and copied Thiem strategy from the AO 2020 final
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Look at the fifth set again of the final of the AO 2018 and tell me how a 29-year-old guy, in his prime, taking against the ropes to his rival of more than 36 years, and with the game in his favor, he can lose 6 to 1 without resisting?
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Sunny014

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ForehandCross said:
Umm this thread is copy and paste of the one in MTF.

If you aren't pirao give at least some credit
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No idea what MTF is.

I created this draw with what came to my mind, some months back I had created this same post on facebook in one of the groups, thats when it crossed my mind as to how Nadal would fare in the toughest of draws stacked against him.

Here obv I am new to the forum, so ..... 8-B
 
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Sunny014 said:
No idea what MTF is.

I created this draw with what came to my mind, some months back I had created this same post on facebook in one of the groups, thats when it crossed my mind as to how Nadal would fare in the toughest of draws stacked against him.

Here obv I am new to the forum, so ..... 8-B
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