Nadal_Freak
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I consider Verdasco a tougher player for Nadal than Del Po but Djokovic is the obvious answer to not switching places. He reads Nadal's game so well.
Would Nadal trade places with Federer in RG 2009?
- Thread starter vtmike
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There should be a "it won't matter" option. I have a strong feeling Nadal is going to make it to the finals either way. That being said, if I had to choose, it would be a "no". Djokovic, in my opinion is more of a threat to Nadal than Federer, and right now he's(Nadal) safe from both of them.
P_Agony
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You're forgetting Monfils, last year's semi finalist, who also happens to have a straight sets win this year over Nadal (in Doha). It's a shame he's injured.
Nadal_Freak
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It is coming back. His injury held him back for awhile. He looked quite impressive in Madrid imo. Took Nadal 2 hours to finally dispatch him. Obviously if he has Nadal in his quarter every tournament on clay, he has no chance to prove that the Australian Open wasn't just a hot streak. Like I said, Nadal is just way above everyone else except for Djokovic. Verdasco is Nadal's 3rd toughest opponent on clay.
P_Agony
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Your post reeks of hatred for Federer. Federer was the one to beat Nadal on clay for 2 times. Djokovic did this zero times. How is Djokovic a bigger threat is beyond me.
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P_Agony
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Yup, it's funny. He first wrote 4th toughest and then edited it to 3rd.
Yes, Verdasco is a bigger threat to Nadal on clay than Federer is...whatever you say NF...
Nadal_Freak
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6-1 6-3 6-0 ring a bell? :lol: Fed's serve is not that effective against Nadal here. No altitude or funny bounces for Nadal to deal with compared with Madrid. Djokovic has a much better shot of winning points with Nadal in long rallys as his 2-handed backhand is perfectly suited for the high ball. Not the case with Fed.
Nadal_Freak
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Wait; who's taken sets and beaten Nadal on clay in the past 4 years or so?
OH WAIT. That would be Roger Federer.
P_Agony
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So according to Nadal's Freak:
1) Del Potro is Nadal's biggest threat on RG.
2) Del Potro is not the biggest threat to Nadal on RG.
3) Verdasco is the 4th toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
4) Verdasco is the 3rd toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
5) Djokovic is the world's 2nd best clay courter.
6) Federer who?
At least be decisive, NF...:neutral:
1) Del Potro is Nadal's biggest threat on RG.
2) Del Potro is not the biggest threat to Nadal on RG.
3) Verdasco is the 4th toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
4) Verdasco is the 3rd toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
5) Djokovic is the world's 2nd best clay courter.
6) Federer who?
At least be decisive, NF...:neutral:
P_Agony
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Better than the 3 games Verdasco won...
It's funny you only mention FO 2008, as if the 2006 and 2007 matches weren't competitive.
You do realize him being the 3rd biggest threat leaves room for Djokovic and Federer as the top two, right?
Nadal_Freak
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That would be prime Federer and skinnier Djokovic back in the day. Djokovic has definitely gotten stronger and Fed has definitely gotten slower. Djokovic beat Fed in Rome this year as well and Fed is usually a bad matchup for Djokovic. I really think you Fed fans don't give Djokovic enough respect.
P_Agony
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I do, it was just too funny how he wrote 4th and quickly changed it to 3rd.
P_Agony
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But didn't you say about a week ago Federer is still at his prime? how can he be at his prime if he's "definitely gotten slower"?
Again you cannot agree with yourself...
P_Agony
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Nah, it was a "How can I disrespect Federer a bit more?"
Nadal_Freak
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Yes I realized it pretty quickly. Amazing how quick you caught my post. It was up there for like 30 seconds. But yeah the Del Potro thread was a fail. Though he has done pretty well by beating Wawrinka twice as well as Murray.
P_Agony
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Alright!
Now we can talk...
I just think that if Delpo and Verdasco would have met at RG, it'd be Del Potro winning.
Nadal_Freak
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When did I say that?
P_Agony
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When Gamesampras opened a thread about Federer's era being weak, you said Federer is still in his prime, it's just the competition has gotten better.
vtmike
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Yeah I remember him saying that...LOL Nadal_Freak you are getting owned right now... :lol:
Nadal_Freak
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Oh yeah. :twisted:
P_Agony
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Then like I said, you cannot agree with yourself.
This thread has proved without a shadow of a doubt Nadal's Freak has two personalities, or a very short term memory...
T1000
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6-4 6-4 on CLAY in SPAIN LAST WEEKEND ring a bell
P_Agony
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An updated list.
According to Nadal's Freak:
1) Del Potro is Nadal's biggest threat on RG.
2) Del Potro is not the biggest threat to Nadal on RG.
3) Verdasco is the 4th toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
4) Verdasco is the 3rd toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
5) Djokovic is the world's 2nd best clay courter.
6) Federer has definitely gotten slower - thus he's past his prime
7) Federer is still in his prime, it's just the competition that's gotten better.
And I wonder, will Nadal's Freak ever agree with himself?
According to Nadal's Freak:
1) Del Potro is Nadal's biggest threat on RG.
2) Del Potro is not the biggest threat to Nadal on RG.
3) Verdasco is the 4th toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
4) Verdasco is the 3rd toughest oponnent to Nadal on RG.
5) Djokovic is the world's 2nd best clay courter.
6) Federer has definitely gotten slower - thus he's past his prime
7) Federer is still in his prime, it's just the competition that's gotten better.
And I wonder, will Nadal's Freak ever agree with himself?
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lambielspins
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In the case of people like Nadal_Freak no matter how many different clown suits he tries he will always be a clown.
Nadal_Freak
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I agree with 2, 4, 5, and 6. 1 was a wild prediction, 3 was up for 30 seconds before it got corrected, and 7 I had some fun with in that thread. lol
P_Agony
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That's the problem! You agree with all of them. And then you don't. And then you do. And then you're not sure. And then you just say something nasty about Federer just to change the subject.
Nadal_Freak
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I will make sure to be consistent with 2, 4, 5, and 6 for now on then.That's the problem! You agree with all of them. And then you don't. And then you do. And then you're not sure. And then you just say something nasty about Federer just to change the subject.
kraggy
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Without being disrespectful to the other players, really only 3 players matter for RG - Nadal , Fed , Djoker. So I have to say that Fed has the tougher draw because he has to beat 2 good players while Nadal only needs to beat one.
I think pre semis , players in Nadals half might be slightly better clay courters but that will probably not play any role because I dont expect even someone as good as Ferrer to take a set off Nadal.
I don't think tiredness will be an issue for either Nadal or Fed in the final - Fed because his game is not very demanding, Nadal because he is a beast and RG means way too much to him. So from that angle, Djoker in Nadals half would not have made a difference in Nadals preparedness for the final , but of course it would have meant that Nadal would not be assured of a finalist spot by default(like he is now)! Djoker is going to have it really tough though because even if he beats Fed , he will probably need more than 3 sets and will be tired for the finals.
I think pre semis , players in Nadals half might be slightly better clay courters but that will probably not play any role because I dont expect even someone as good as Ferrer to take a set off Nadal.
I don't think tiredness will be an issue for either Nadal or Fed in the final - Fed because his game is not very demanding, Nadal because he is a beast and RG means way too much to him. So from that angle, Djoker in Nadals half would not have made a difference in Nadals preparedness for the final , but of course it would have meant that Nadal would not be assured of a finalist spot by default(like he is now)! Djoker is going to have it really tough though because even if he beats Fed , he will probably need more than 3 sets and will be tired for the finals.
GameSampras
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Up until the semis.. Hell yes Nadal would. Blake? Roddick? Berdych? LOL.. Nadal should definitely be happy as a kitten though he doesnt have to deal with Djoker in the semis though. Though who knows. Nadal is a beast at RG. Hell Djoker couldnt even overcome Nadal on faster clay so he definitely cant handle a Nadal out for blood at RG on a slower clay surface
vtmike
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Alright so what is your answer to the poll? I notice you haven't voted...
Its very simple ...Yes or No?
GameSampras
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Alright so what is your answer to the poll? I notice you haven't voted...
Its very simple ...Yes or No?
Isnt there a "maybe" option?
Yes Nadal would trade places with Fed. No doubt. Djoker cant beat Nadal at RG.
vtmike
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So Nadal would much rather play Djokovic & DelPotro? Can you elaborate?
Stranger things have happened; although, it is unlikely.
IvanAndreevich
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I voted Yes because Nadal doesn't care. He could probably defeat every person in the draw in straights playing 2-3 matches per day.
vtmike
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I agree but there are so many who were arguing with me about how poor Nadal always ends up with a tougher draw and how Fed always gets a cakewalk of a draw...
LOL yeh that's what I said before. It's Nadal, he couldn't care less about the draw. He's out to dominate and nobody's gonna stop him.
Ripster
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Nadal's quarter is tougher obviously with Wawrinka, Davydenko, Verdasco and Ferrer. But that doesn't really matter because Nadal owns all these guys anyway. If he switched with Federer he'd most likely have to play Djokovic in the semi-finals who he probably fears more than all of those other guys combined.
grafselesfan
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Nadal's draw doesnt mean anything. He is a 110% lock to win the French coming and going, especialy among the current clay court field. Federer and Djokovic are good clay courters but not in Nadal's league, in a best 3 of 5 on true red clay at the French Nadal's 70% beats their 100%. The matches at Madrid mean nothing, that wasnt even a real clay court and Nadal was playing pretty awful there the whole event. He wont turn up in that kind of form for the French and this is real clay now, and best 3 of 5 vs the fittest and mentally toughest player on tour by far. The only way he would lose the French possibly is if you gave him this draw:
First round- prime Muster
Second round- prime Vilas
Third round- prime Wilander
Fourth round- prime Lendl
Quarters- prime Laver
Semis- prime Rosewall
Final- prime Borg
Even then he probably still guts it out somehow.
First round- prime Muster
Second round- prime Vilas
Third round- prime Wilander
Fourth round- prime Lendl
Quarters- prime Laver
Semis- prime Rosewall
Final- prime Borg
Even then he probably still guts it out somehow.
grafselesfan
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I like Djokovic but I doubt Nadal fears him. Djokovic playing his absolute best couldnt even finish off a very subpar Nadal on joke clay (blue clay, LOL!). What on earth is he going to do vs a charged up Nadal in best 3 of 5 sets on red French Open clay. That being said I agree those guys you mentioned will be nothing but batting practice for Nadal.
tennisplaya
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Nadal would swap to let Wawrinka destroy Federer again.
Pain: Roger Federer lost in just the third round in Monaco
okdude1992
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no unless djokovic is upset, then he will be a challenge in the semis for fed. so in terms of easiness of draw yea nadals early rounds may be a bit harder. But it doesn't matter as it would be SHOCKING if anyone other than djokovic or fed hurts nadal. and because they are on the same side of the draw this is a better draw overall for rafa.
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