Would you give them the point?

luvn10is

New User
Sunday we played the last match of the ALTA season. It was good and close, 7-6, 7-5. We were all fighting. One point me and my partner were in net with one of our opponents. The lady at the baseline ran down one of my deep volleys and dinked a lob just out of my reach. My partner retreated and managed to get a racquet on it in the air just behind the service line but her return was a wounded duck. In her follow through she yelled 'OUT!'. We've been partners for going on a year now so I knew she was telling me to get out of Dodge and I started backpedaling like a mug. The net lady could see a weak shot coming and was drooling while she waited. But instead of just punching the high volley through the middle she tried to tag me with the overhead and ended up hitting the fence on the fly. Before the ball could fall to the court she was calling hindrance claiming my partner distracted her. We got the impression she was more confused by my partner's terminology rather than the noise.

We did not give them the point. You do not get two bites at the apple. But had she immediately stopped play would you have given her hindrance?
 

gmatheis

Hall of Fame
Not only does your partner need to use different terminology but she needs to learn that once she hits the ball she needs to not say anything because anything she says after hitting the ball can be called as a hinderance by the other team.

34. Talking when ball is in play.
• Singles players should not talk during points.
• Talking between doubles partners when the ball is moving toward them is allowed.
Doubles players should not talk when the ball is moving toward their opponent’s court.
• When talking interferes with an opponent’s ability to play a ball, it is a hindrance.
For example, if a doubles player hits a weak lob and yells “get back” and the yell distracts an opponent who is about to hit the ball, then the opponent may claim the
point based on a deliberate hindrance. If the opponent chooses to play the lob and misses it, the opponent loses the point because the opponent did not make a timely
claim of hindrance.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Yes to this last question. Your partner really needs to get in the habit of saying something else when she wants to warn you of giving up a short ball.


Exactly. You can't say out unless you are telling your partner not to take a ball out of the air.
 

Bergboy123

Semi-Pro
Not only does your partner need to use different terminology but she needs to learn that once she hits the ball she needs to not say anything because anything she says after hitting the ball can be called as a hinderance by the other team.

34. Talking when ball is in play.
• Singles players should not talk during points.
• Talking between doubles partners when the ball is moving toward them is allowed.
Doubles players should not talk when the ball is moving toward their opponent’s court.
• When talking interferes with an opponent’s ability to play a ball, it is a hindrance.
For example, if a doubles player hits a weak lob and yells “get back” and the yell distracts an opponent who is about to hit the ball, then the opponent may claim the
point based on a deliberate hindrance. If the opponent chooses to play the lob and misses it, the opponent loses the point because the opponent did not make a timely
claim of hindrance.


Wow that's weird. Don't most if not all of the pros talk when the ball is traveling away from them? I certainly do, especially when I lob poorly and want my partner to go back. Or to say I'm coming in behind my shot.
 

blip

Rookie
Not only does your partner need to use different terminology but she needs to learn that once she hits the ball she needs to not say anything because anything she says after hitting the ball can be called as a hinderance by the other team.

34. Talking when ball is in play.
• Singles players should not talk during points.
• Talking between doubles partners when the ball is moving toward them is allowed.
Doubles players should not talk when the ball is moving toward their opponent’s court.
• When talking interferes with an opponent’s ability to play a ball, it is a hindrance.
For example, if a doubles player hits a weak lob and yells “get back” and the yell distracts an opponent who is about to hit the ball, then the opponent may claim the
point based on a deliberate hindrance. If the opponent chooses to play the lob and misses it, the opponent loses the point because the opponent did not make a timely
claim of hindrance.

Is this ALTA rules, USTA or other?

Thanks
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
Woodrow answered the question, yes it is a hindrance, but the opponent can not chuck a shot and then claim it. The opponent should have immediately called a hindrance and not try to claim because she missed a wounded duck.
 

luvn10is

New User
Yes. From your opponents' perspective, your partner called the ball out, and then you reversed your call. They get the point.

Actually, our opponent knew the ball wasn't out or even going out. My partner took it out of the air near the service line five feet inside the sideline. It was more that in the heat of the moment, my partner saying 'out' caused the opponent's brain to blink. I could see how she was hindered and I was thinking of giving her the point but then she made the mistake of saying she thought of stopping the point but made a conscious decision to go for the winner instead. That sealed the deal. My point. And after I explained why, she agreed.

The reason I posted is because after the match when we got to the sidelines people started asking us for details. Since lots of people saw it but didn't hear our discussion at the net, they had varying opinions. Nobody felt we should've given them the point because our opponent kept playing. However, several people felt it wasn't a hindrance anyway because my partner was still in the motion of her swing when she gave the warning (though it was her follow through) and the only reason it bothered the opponent was because we were all at the net and there was little time to think, only react. Others felt as I do. A hindrance is a hindrance and if you stop on any legitimate cause you should get the point or at least a let. I just wanted to hear y'alls take on it.
 

luvn10is

New User
Yes to this last question. Your partner really needs to get in the habit of saying something else when she wants to warn you of giving up a short ball.

Normally she does but she was conscious of the fact that she her warning had to be quick and that's what came out.
 

luvn10is

New User
Not only does your partner need to use different terminology but she needs to learn that once she hits the ball she needs to not say anything because anything she says after hitting the ball can be called as a hinderance by the other team.

34. Talking when ball is in play.
• Singles players should not talk during points.
• Talking between doubles partners when the ball is moving toward them is allowed.
Doubles players should not talk when the ball is moving toward their opponent’s court.
• When talking interferes with an opponent’s ability to play a ball, it is a hindrance.
For example, if a doubles player hits a weak lob and yells “get back” and the yell distracts an opponent who is about to hit the ball, then the opponent may claim the
point based on a deliberate hindrance. If the opponent chooses to play the lob and misses it, the opponent loses the point because the opponent did not make a timely
claim of hindrance.

Somebody pulled out a Friend at Court and this is what it said:

USTA Comment 26.1:What is the difference between a deliberate and an
unintentional act? Deliberate means a player did what the player intended to
do, even if the result was unintended. An example is a player who hits a short
lob in doubles and loudly shouts “back” just before an opponent hits the
overhead. (See The Code § 33.) Unintentional refers to an act over which a
player has no control, such as a hat blowing off or a scream after a wasp sting.

My partner yelled out during her follow through but because we were all close together at the net, the opponent was preparing to hit the ball. Hindrance was really close call but had she stopped I couldn't have argued with her.
 

spot

Hall of Fame
If your partner called "out" on a ball that was in then the point should go to the other team even if she said out by accident. It shouldn't even require them to call hindrance. That is the rule for a call made by mistake.

From the code:

Out calls reversed. A player who calls a ball out shall reverse the call if the
player becomes uncertain or realizes that the ball was good. The point goes to the
opponent and is not replayed.

You admit she called it out. Even if she did it by accident then its still the other team's point just as it would be as if you were returning and she called a ball out by accident.
 
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Tar Heel Tennis

Professional
A hindrance is a hindrance and if you stop on any legitimate cause you should get the point or at least a let. I just wanted to hear y'alls take on it.

If you're playing strictly by the rules, the hindrance must be called before your opponent attempts the shot, and you forfeit the point; or play continues and the point stands at its conclusion. NEVER play a let based on this situation.
 

olliess

Semi-Pro
If your partner called "out" on a ball that was in then the point should go to the other team even if she said out by accident. It shouldn't even require them to call hindrance. That is the rule for a call made by mistake.

It's a strange one, because from the description there was no question about the ball actually being "out" (it was struck in the air, from a position slightly behind the service line). Could it really be called a "mistaken out" call as opposed to a hindrance?
 

cknobman

Legend
Technically you hindered the opponent and therefore you should have lost the point.

BUT

Because your opponent chose to play the ball (intent was made clear when they tried to hit the overhead) they cannot call hindrance.

BUT (need clarification)
Was your partner still in the process of yelling "OUT" as the opponent was attempting their overhead??????? If so you really lost the point on the hindrance call.
 

spot

Hall of Fame
For me if I or my parther accidentally yelled "OUT" regardless of the situation then the other team would automatically get the point. To me out is so unambiguous that there just isn't any remedy to me. It wouldn't matter if a ball landed in the middle of the court- OUT ends the point.
 

tennis_ocd

Hall of Fame
imo, discussion over hindrance is off topic. Opponent should have simply agreed to abide by your OUT call.

"I know I called OUT but the serve was clearly in and you netted the return. Our point."
 

DE19702

Rookie
You can't call a ball out when its in the air. It should have been obvious to the other team that your partner was signalling for you to let it go because she thought it was going out. If it were a hindrance, then nobody could ever say out in this situation, they would have to say "bounce it" or "let it go" or something else. When your partner made a serious attempt to return it, the other team should have picked up on the fact that the ball was good and played it. If they honestly were distracted then they should get the point. Only they know if they were distracted. Sportsmanship would indicate to take them at their word.
 

kylebarendrick

Professional
"out" is not a protected word (I've seen this somewhere in the code or in an interpretation on the USTA site. I can't look it up at the moment.) Yelling "out" instead of something like "bounce" to warn your partner not to hit the ball is acceptable and is not considered a line call because you are yelling it well before the ball hits the ground.

With that in mind, I think the only issue in this case is when your partner yelled it rather than what they yelled. If it was after their stroke then it could be a hindrance as people have noted. If it was before or during the stroke than it wouldn't be a hindrance at all.
 

spot

Hall of Fame
http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Rules/Rulings/Calling_the_ball_out/

Q. I hit a high ball to the opponent. Just as the ball was landing, the opposing net player called, "OUT". Her partner hit the ball. The net player then said, "IN." My partner and I quit playing the point when the initial call was made of "OUT." The opponents argued the net player was simply advising her partner to bounce the ball as it might be going out. She (or one of them) then called, "IN" to indicate that the ball was good and she had returned it and to continue playing. I think the answer was that it was our point. With an "OUT followed by an "IN" call, there was a discrepency on the call and the point is our point.........I think. I think once the opponent calls the ball OUT, the play is dead. Regardless of whether the ball was truly out or in. (We replayed the point because 3 of us could agree there was some confusion and also because the net player, the disagreeable 4th, became so hostile.) Who got this point or what action should have been taken?

If the opponent calls a ball OUT before it bounces, and it lands IN, the ball is good and it is our point. Regardless of what happens next. Correct?

If the opponent calls the ball OUT before it bounces, it lands IN and she returns it for a "winner" but we had quit playing the point because of the OUT call, who gets the point?

If the opponent calls the ball OUT before it bounces, and it lands OUT. What is the call? In other words, is the opponent penalized for calling a ball before it actually lands? (I think a kind warning is in order (which is what I gave during the set changeover) but then what if those early calls continue? What is the final ruling? When I hear "OUT" called, I assume the point has ended and stop playing. (In this case, the person was not communicating with her partner and using OUT as a substitute for "Bounce It", she was celarly calling the ball OUT....just calling it before it landed. I also suggested to opponents during set changeover that it would be better to use the terms BOUNCE IT or WATCH IT rather than OUT in communicating with her partner in order to avoid any further misunderstandings.

If the opponent/receiver calls a serve IN and the partner disagrees, the receiver returns the ball, the server hits the ball rather than stopping play (perhaps by setting down her racket), what is the call?

Thank you for any light you can shed!

A. This is always an interesting case.

First, despite what some people think, there is no rule that says you cannot say 'out' or other words of communication to your partner, especially when you are at the net and the ball is coming in your direction or the ball has not come close to landing on the court. And because such communication would invariably occur long before the ball has bounced, the claim that this could be mistaken for a line call is not really valid if everyone is paying attention. (Communicating by screaming or yelling is not permitted at any time and could be deemed a hindrance no matter when it occurs.)

The only time confusion can occur is in the case when a player says 'out' or another form of communication to his/her partner standing at the baseline at the time when the ball bounces. One player is in the position to make a return of the ball and did so. In that case, saying "leave it" or "NO" would be preferable to saying 'out'. However, any word used when the ball lands on the ground or close to the ground when your partner hits the ball could be construed as a call.

If a player yells "out” at the moment or close to the moment their partner played the ball, I think it can hinder the opponents. If this is the case,

and the return was a weak return or the ball did not go into the opposing court, the returning team loses the point. If the return is strong and the best the opponents could have done was to keep the ball in play, then a let should be played. This is assuming that the players stopped play. If the players who may have been confused by the communication or call continue to play the point, they may not then claim the point due to hindrance after the entire point has been completed. If a player believes that they were truly hindered, they MUST stop.

You offer a number of scenarios and it does depend on when the communication came from the opponents. The best thing to do is keep playing the point if there is some question on whether there was a call or just communication. If the ball has not come very close to landing in or out and the players communicate, claiming hindrance is not really justified. Players should not be penalized for communicating when the ball still has a way to travel before landing on the court.

When partners disagree on a call the benefit of doubt must go to the opponents. If an out call was made (not communication) then play has stopped.

Again, if the return was a weak return or the ball did not go into the opposing court, the returning team loses the point. If the return is strong and the best the opponents could have done was to keep the ball in play, then a let should be played.
 

floridatennisdude

Hall of Fame
I think most here are trying to be lawyers instead of sportsmen/women. I would have offered the point if it appeared that our actions created an interference.

In my last USTA match, I hit a loopy topspin shank forehand that looked like it was going out. As I shanked it I sort of stopped running and yelled "arghh" at myself. The wind actually kept the ball in, my opponent then took a swing at it and missed his shot long. I asked him if I had interfered and offered up the hindrance. He stated that I didn't interfere, but he appreciated the offer. He didn't take the point. This was in a match that I ended up winning 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

That may or may not have been by the book, but it is what two good sports do in a unique situation.
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
sportsmen play according to the rules.

I think most here are trying to be lawyers instead of sportsmen/women. I would have offered the point if it appeared that our actions created an interference.

In my last USTA match, I hit a loopy topspin shank forehand that looked like it was going out. As I shanked it I sort of stopped running and yelled "arghh" at myself. The wind actually kept the ball in, my opponent then took a swing at it and missed his shot long. I asked him if I had interfered and offered up the hindrance. He stated that I didn't interfere, but he appreciated the offer. He didn't take the point. This was in a match that I ended up winning 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

That may or may not have been by the book, but it is what two good sports do in a unique situation.
 

gmatheis

Hall of Fame
I think most here are trying to be lawyers instead of sportsmen/women. I would have offered the point if it appeared that our actions created an interference.

In my last USTA match, I hit a loopy topspin shank forehand that looked like it was going out. As I shanked it I sort of stopped running and yelled "arghh" at myself. The wind actually kept the ball in, my opponent then took a swing at it and missed his shot long. I asked him if I had interfered and offered up the hindrance. He stated that I didn't interfere, but he appreciated the offer. He didn't take the point. This was in a match that I ended up winning 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

That may or may not have been by the book, but it is what two good sports do in a unique situation.

Actually what you did was not according to the rules (offering the point) ... but what your opponent did was. Your opponent made a choice to ignore your "arghh" and attempt to play the ball. By doing so he has lost his right to claim a hinderance.

BUT

I do applaud the spirit in which you offered the point ... if only everyone was more like this. :)
 

gmatheis

Hall of Fame
You can't call a ball out when its in the air. It should have been obvious to the other team that your partner was signalling for you to let it go because she thought it was going out. If it were a hindrance, then nobody could ever say out in this situation, they would have to say "bounce it" or "let it go" or something else. When your partner made a serious attempt to return it, the other team should have picked up on the fact that the ball was good and played it. If they honestly were distracted then they should get the point. Only they know if they were distracted. Sportsmanship would indicate to take them at their word.

I believe you misread the post .. the call of "out" was made AFTER the ball had already bounced and been hit ... NOT BEFORE
 

jc4.0

Professional
This could go either way in my book.

First - if the ball is on your side of the court and you say something, you're not officially hindering your opponent.

However if you partner called "out" loudly, then continued to play - that's not fair, because it may have caused your opponent to hesitate or stop playing.

In all fairness, regardless of any rule book, I think you should have replayed the point.
 

kylebarendrick

Professional
There is no cause to replay the point - and I always hate that as a solution. If you hindered your opponents, then it is their point. If there was no hindrance, then the point stands as played. People generally offer to play lets when the alternative is that they would lose the point.
 

gmatheis

Hall of Fame
This could go either way in my book.

First - if the ball is on your side of the court and you say something, you're not officially hindering your opponent.

However if you partner called "out" loudly, then continued to play - that's not fair, because it may have caused your opponent to hesitate or stop playing.

In all fairness, regardless of any rule book, I think you should have replayed the point.
WRONG I quoted the rule just a few posts back, it doesn't matter which side of the court it is on it matters in which direction it is traveling.

WRONG The rules are pretty simple. If there was a valid hinderance claimed in a timely fashion the opponent gets the point, otherwise the point stands as played. There is no LET as kylebarendrick stated
 

woodrow1029

Hall of Fame
This could go either way in my book.

First - if the ball is on your side of the court and you say something, you're not officially hindering your opponent.

However if you partner called "out" loudly, then continued to play - that's not fair, because it may have caused your opponent to hesitate or stop playing.

In all fairness, regardless of any rule book, I think you should have replayed the point.

WRONG I quoted the rule just a few posts back, it doesn't matter which side of the court it is on it matters in which direction it is traveling.

WRONG The rules are pretty simple. If there was a valid hinderance claimed in a timely fashion the opponent gets the point, otherwise the point stands as played. There is no LET as kylebarendrick stated

One thing that doesn't take too long to figure out is that the word WRONG is usually associated with what jc4.0 types when it comes to rules/situations.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
I had a similiar instance. The wife and I were playing a couple and for 2 1/2 sets I'd been yelling "get back!" whenever I through up a short lob and she would retreat. Well...we are kicking their @$$ in the third so the guy serves and vollies on the deuce side to me. He's about 6'9 but the girl couldn't jump for anything...so I'd lob the ball over her head and the guy couldn't get situated to hit the overhead because He was too far in. So now he wants to stop play and say he heard "back" and thought I called the serve back. He really did it because he couldn't go in reverse to get that lob.lol I wasn't having it as I'd been doing that for 2 1/2 sets and there was not issue with it. Now they are down 4-1 in the third so it's a problem....yea...whateva...I hi fived the wife and we rolled right on to a 6-1 third set win. lol You aren't going to play me like that after 2 + sets.


Sunday we played the last match of the ALTA season. It was good and close, 7-6, 7-5. We were all fighting. One point me and my partner were in net with one of our opponents. The lady at the baseline ran down one of my deep volleys and dinked a lob just out of my reach. My partner retreated and managed to get a racquet on it in the air just behind the service line but her return was a wounded duck. In her follow through she yelled 'OUT!'. We've been partners for going on a year now so I knew she was telling me to get out of Dodge and I started backpedaling like a mug. The net lady could see a weak shot coming and was drooling while she waited. But instead of just punching the high volley through the middle she tried to tag me with the overhead and ended up hitting the fence on the fly. Before the ball could fall to the court she was calling hindrance claiming my partner distracted her. We got the impression she was more confused by my partner's terminology rather than the noise.

We did not give them the point. You do not get two bites at the apple. But had she immediately stopped play would you have given her hindrance?
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
Yea....plus you can't crank the overhead and after you f'k it up...then call a hinderance. You do that before you hit the ball. That's horse poop.

WRONG I quoted the rule just a few posts back, it doesn't matter which side of the court it is on it matters in which direction it is traveling.

WRONG The rules are pretty simple. If there was a valid hinderance claimed in a timely fashion the opponent gets the point, otherwise the point stands as played. There is no LET as kylebarendrick stated
 

spot

Hall of Fame
I had a similiar instance. The wife and I were playing a couple and for 2 1/2 sets I'd been yelling "get back!" whenever I through up a short lob and she would retreat. Well...we are kicking their @$$ in the third so the guy serves and vollies on the deuce side to me. He's about 6'9 but the girl couldn't jump for anything...so I'd lob the ball over her head and the guy couldn't get situated to hit the overhead because He was too far in. So now he wants to stop play and say he heard "back" and thought I called the serve back. He really did it because he couldn't go in reverse to get that lob.lol I wasn't having it as I'd been doing that for 2 1/2 sets and there was not issue with it. Now they are down 4-1 in the third so it's a problem....yea...whateva...I hi fived the wife and we rolled right on to a 6-1 third set win. lol You aren't going to play me like that after 2 + sets.

The other team is 100% allowed to take that point. Anytime you shout the word "Back!" after hitting the ball then you are taking the risk of the other team claiming the point. The rules are that you cannot say anything that could possible distract the opponent when the ball is going towards them. To me I will still communicate with my partner knowing that at any time the opponent can claim that point, but I choose terms to make it as unambiguous as possible. Saying "Back" is not as bad as the OP's partner saying "OUT!" but to me its reasonable for an opponent to take hindrance in that situation.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
The real problem is when people scream.

I often hit an approach shot and then say to my partner, "I'm in." I do not shout. I speak in a normal tone of voice. I doubt my opponents can even hear me.

If you need to warn your opponent that you've just hit a bad lob, just say, "Short." No need to scream; use a calm speaking voice. She can hear you. It's the frantic screaming like you just spotted a hand grenade on the court that throws people off.
 

luvn10is

New User
If you're playing strictly by the rules, the hindrance must be called before your opponent attempts the shot, and you forfeit the point; or play continues and the point stands at its conclusion. NEVER play a let based on this situation.

No, I meant calling hindrance for something like a bat or bird dive bombing the court. That's a do-over.
 

luvn10is

New User
WRONG I quoted the rule just a few posts back, it doesn't matter which side of the court it is on it matters in which direction it is traveling.

WRONG The rules are pretty simple. If there was a valid hinderance claimed in a timely fashion the opponent gets the point, otherwise the point stands as played. There is no LET as kylebarendrick stated

Thanks for the link. As I said, one of the players had a copy of the 2011 Friend at Court and it does not spell it out as plainly as the 2012. The 2011 copy insinuates you can talk right up until the opponent is 'about' to hit the ball, which is ambiguous and the main reason we had varying opinions on the sideline. In our point, the opponent was not 'about' to hit the ball when my partner said out because the ball had barely left my partner's racquet at that point. The 2012 version makes it clear you can call hindrance after the ball is struck. That's what I needed to hear.
 

luvn10is

New User
If you're playing strictly by the rules, the hindrance must be called before your opponent attempts the shot, and you forfeit the point; or play continues and the point stands at its conclusion. NEVER play a let based on this situation.

I meant calling hindrance for something like a bat dive bombing the court. That would be a do-over. But in this situation I don't even think anyone thought of playing a let. It was just a matter of who would claim it.
 

kylebarendrick

Professional
Thanks for the link. As I said, one of the players had a copy of the 2011 Friend at Court and it does not spell it out as plainly as the 2012. The 2011 copy insinuates you can talk right up until the opponent is 'about' to hit the ball, which is ambiguous and the main reason we had varying opinions on the sideline. In our point, the opponent was not 'about' to hit the ball when my partner said out because the ball had barely left my partner's racquet at that point. The 2012 version makes it clear you can call hindrance after the ball is struck. That's what I needed to hear.

The 2011 FAC says:

"32. Talking during point. A player shall not talk while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court. If a player’s talking interferes with an opponent’s ability to play a ball, the player loses the point. For example, if a doubles player hits a weak lob and loudly yells at the player’s partner to get back and if the shout is loud enough to distract an opponent, then the opponent may claim the point based on a deliberate hindrance. If the opponent chooses to hit the lob and misses it, the opponent loses the point because the opponent did not make a timely claim of hindrance"​

That still seems pretty clear to me...
 

spot

Hall of Fame
The 2011 copy insinuates you can talk right up until the opponent is 'about' to hit the ball, which is ambiguous and the main reason we had varying opinions on the sideline.

Where did you get this from? I think you must have read it wrong since that has never been the rule.
 

Orange

Rookie
I recently played a match during which our opponents often loudly called "in" near the time that their ball bounced onto our court. Technically, the ball was not moving toward our court; it had already hit our court (and we were about to hit it back).

I realize that the other team is not allowed to call whether the ball is in or out on our side of the court; in each case, the ball was indeed in. My question is whether it would have been appropriate to stop play and call a hindrance when this happened.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
That's bull$hit. "Get back" and back are two different things. If it were a problem, he would have done it the 5 or 6 times I did it in the first set or in the second. Something that's not a distraction to you in the first set can't all of a sudden become one in the 3rd set. That's been a poor sportsman. The words "get back" have never been used to call a ball out. I've heard tons of people over the last 10 years or so yell "get back" on a bad lob. What's the alternative? Stay quiet and let your partner get nailed between the eyes? I don't think so. The other thing is he turned to go after it and after taking one step decided this was a problem. Nah...You won't get a hindrance call on me in that situation. If you tell me that the first time I do it, I might buy into that, but not in the third set.


The other team is 100% allowed to take that point. Anytime you shout the word "Back!" after hitting the ball then you are taking the risk of the other team claiming the point. The rules are that you cannot say anything that could possible distract the opponent when the ball is going towards them. To me I will still communicate with my partner knowing that at any time the opponent can claim that point, but I choose terms to make it as unambiguous as possible. Saying "Back" is not as bad as the OP's partner saying "OUT!" but to me its reasonable for an opponent to take hindrance in that situation.
 
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jc4.0

Professional
I had a similar situation last year. I tracked down a deep lob, which bounced about a foot inside the baseline (so was clearly in); but it was a difficult "get" so as I hit it I screamed "aaaaaaaahhhhh!".

No hinderance, as the ball was on our side of the court - and I didn't say "out", I just screamed (as I am prone to do); plus I smacked the ball back down the line for a clean winner, there was no way these guys could have made a play on it, in any case. My opponents' lame insistence that I had made an "out" call fell on deaf ears.

But don't actually yell "out" before the ball hits the court, that's not cool. Screaming is allowed.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I recently played a match during which our opponents often loudly called "in" near the time that their ball bounced onto our court. Technically, the ball was not moving toward our court; it had already hit our court (and we were about to hit it back).

I realize that the other team is not allowed to call whether the ball is in or out on our side of the court; in each case, the ball was indeed in. My question is whether it would have been appropriate to stop play and call a hindrance when this happened.

If you hadn't yet hit the ball, the ball is still headed toward your court. Your opponents shouldn't be talking. If you were genuinely hindered, you could stop and claim the point.
 

cknobman

Legend
I thought that by the rules after you hit a ball and it crosses the net into the opponents court anything you say could be considered a hindrance until they have hit the ball.
 

spot

Hall of Fame
I thought that by the rules after you hit a ball and it crosses the net into the opponents court anything you say could be considered a hindrance until they have hit the ball.

Anything you say after hitting the ball (including "aaaaaaaahhhhh!") could be considered hindrance by the opponent. It doesn't matter whether it has crossed the net- as long as the ball is moving towards the opponent then they are entitled to call hindrance.
 

jc4.0

Professional
Anything you say after hitting the ball (including "aaaaaaaahhhhh!") could be considered hindrance by the opponent. It doesn't matter whether it has crossed the net- as long as the ball is moving towards the opponent then they are entitled to call hindrance.

Not to split hairs, but I made the sound as I was hitting the ball. Let's call Azarenka and get her opinion...
 

spot

Hall of Fame
Not to split hairs, but I made the sound as I was hitting the ball. Let's call Azarenka and get her opinion...

There is no doubt that what azarenka does could be called hindrance in a USTA league match.
 
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