Rafa4LifeEver
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You read the title.
Both have similar height at 198 cm.
Vote and discuss.
Both have similar height at 198 cm.
Vote and discuss.
Would Zverev with Delpo's FH be a better player than Delpo with Zverev's BH
The Blond Blur
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What’s this an original thread that isn’t a GOAT debate or an attempt at trolling? I’m not sure that’s allowed.
Anyway I’d go with Delpossum even if he just had his original BH. Zedrot is still going to be a mental midget with no Wilanders and a WTA 2nd serve.
Anyway I’d go with Delpossum even if he just had his original BH. Zedrot is still going to be a mental midget with no Wilanders and a WTA 2nd serve.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I'd go with (a healthy) Delpo with Z's backhand.
dking68
Legend
Tandil with Z’s backhand
Rafa4LifeEver
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Where is your copyright image?
Rafa4LifeEver
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Don't you think Zverev who has a better court coverage, BH, 1st serve etc would benefit more from a nuclear forehand over his current mediocre one?
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BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Del Potro would go from a hampered shot forced to slice a lot to a top shot on that side, so I'm going with him.
RaulRamirez
Legend
That's why your question is a good one: Z is more BH dominant and Delpo more FH dominant.
I can only answer for myself, but I think that many went with Delpo, as he has the better mentality, is more popular (and injuries deprived him of more success) and his FH is much more of a weapon - and "sexier" - than any single component of Z's game.
Also, the sense is that Z, with so much skill, has underachieved while Delpo hasn't achieved his potential due to injuries.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Who has better movement between Zverev and Del Potro?
Who has better first serve?
Who has better stamina?
Who is better at the net?
Who is better returner of the ball?
Who has better first serve?
Who has better stamina?
Who is better at the net?
Who is better returner of the ball?
dking68
Legend
dking68
Legend
But all of this doesn’t matter even if it favors Zverev. Del po won a slam at 21. Zverev will never win one
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Djokovic can beat him. He has some flaws. Mostly stamina. Second serve.
Rafa4LifeEver
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Some nice takes by you here.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Not on natural surfaces, where mobility is even more important than on hard courts.
That is why I believe that even if he had not been seriously injured, Del Potro would not have won either Roland Garros or Wimbledon, where his competition would make him pay dearly for his size in those GS tournaments.
Rafa4LifeEver
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Do we really need to bring Djokovic in every discussion, pal?
Rafa4LifeEver
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je suis heureux de te voir ici, mon ami.Not on natural surfaces, where mobility is even more important than on hard courts.
That is why I believe that even if he had not been seriously injured, Del Potro would not have won either Roland Garros or Wimbledon, where his competition would make him pay dearly for his size in those GS tournaments.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Who will beat Zverev with Delpo forehand according to you? The comment said he would be unstoppable. We can't disrespect Djokovic.
Rafa4LifeEver
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Delpo was a beast for sure.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Merci beaucoup, pareil pour toi.
Comment s’est passé votre voyage en Asie, y avez-vous terminé votre travail?
dking68
Legend
And faced a peak Federer and crushed him in the fifth. Zverev had so many chances in 20’ USO and still couldn’t get over the line and likely never will
Rafa4LifeEver
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Praising X isn't a disrespect to Y.
Additionally, Djokovic/Rafa/Federer would be tough matchup for any combination whatsoever. But that's not the point of this thread.
Why is the Djokovic fanbase (except for a few sane ones) so usecure and snowflake-ish that they need to bring him up everywhere and feel attacked even when he isn't the topic??
RaulRamirez
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Thank you.
Rafa4LifeEver
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Fed should've won that one in straights but his ego clouded his mind. Thankfully Rafa never suffered from such tactical arrogance anytime.
dking68
Legend
He really shouldve
Rafa4LifeEver
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You're welcome, pal.
Rafa4LifeEver
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And Alcaraz should've beaten Sinner in straight sets at Miami earlier this year & also at Umag last year & USO too
dking68
Legend
Not sure about these two lol. Sinner had chances to win 6-2 in the first set in Miami. Umag. Sinner choked the tiebreak. Anyways no sense speculating the results will not change
Rafa4LifeEver
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That was just a light-hearted friendly provoke attempt anyways xD
dking68
Legend
I figured
Rafa4LifeEver
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I figured
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
That's how myths are born. Like Safin Nalbandian supremecy. I say anytime you see a hyperbole, always check once.
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
My assumption is that Delpo is still hampered by injuries and his backhand ends up degrading anyway due to the wrist issues.
At least Z would have a chance to play more tennis and actually use the Delpo FH.
At least Z would have a chance to play more tennis and actually use the Delpo FH.
daggerman
Hall of Fame
I view stamina as a strength of Zverev's, not a flaw. But even if you think it's a flaw (which is slightly confusing to me, frankly), it would be mitigated by a vastly improved forehand capable of ending points much quicker. His second serve problems are mostly behind him. He still occasionally hits some shockingly bad seconds, but I'm not sure it would matter all that much.
But more to the point, I also view Zverev's forehand as average-at-best (among the top 50 or so). He hits a fairly heavy neutral ball and can attack short balls with decent success when his footwork is in order, but on the whole it's a shot that he can't -- or at least doesn't -- really do a lot with. He hardly ever even controls rallies with his forehand. Substituting his FH for Delpo's would be completely transformative in a way that I'm not sure we're properly appreciating in this thread.
A simple way of putting the difference would be: take Zverev, who is usually inacapable of blowing anybody off the court with his forehand, but give him the ability to blow everybody off the court with his forehand.
del Potro with his original backhand won the U.S. Open at age 20 in 2009 (beating Nadal/Federer in SF/F) and then made the WTF final (beating Federer along the way). Then, he injured his wrist in early 2010, and his backhand was never the same again.
If you replace del Potro's original backhand with Zverev's better backhand, he's possibly the best player in history if/when he's healthy.
If you replace del Potro's original backhand with Zverev's better backhand, he's possibly the best player in history if/when he's healthy.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Zverev has stamina issues and he was a quitter until recently. Only this year during Sinner match did we see Zverev unleashing his full potential.
He lost the USOpen final because he couldn't hang on. He said so himself.
Why do you think he does not have stamina issues?
daggerman
Hall of Fame
I think his stamina has been a strength since 2021.
I don't really know what counts as a good answer to your question, though. He plays many long rallies and never gets tired. He often outlasts Djokovic and Medvedev in protracted exchanges and has beaten each of them several times by playing attritional tennis. He was completely fine physically in the 5th set of the 2021 USO SF, and he was going toe-to-toe with Nadal at Roland Garros 3.5 hours into a match in which the second set hadn't yet concluded. To me that's pretty compelling evidence.
Tough to see how the rest of del Potro's game is being overrated. With a good backhand, he won the U.S. Open at 20 (beating Nadal/Federer in the SF/F) and then made the WTF finals. If you replace his good backhand with a great backhand, it's tough not to see him being hugely successful going forward.
NeutralFan
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Z has better movement than Delpo and with Delpo's FH he will be devastating.
NeutralFan
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Lol
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Fair. I still think he has stamina issues but he is such a loser that he was never beaten solely due to stamina problems. He has always been a loser vs top 10. But now it's changing a bit.
I don't know about that. Zverev hadn't tired out yet in the 2022 French Open SF with Nadal, but they were still in the second set. We have no idea how he would have looked for the remainder of the match. As for the 2022 U.S. Open SF, every match he played before the SF was a straight set win except for the win over Sock, where Jack retired at 2-1 in the fourth set. So, Zverev had minimal wear and tear going into that SF.
OTOH, we have:
2021 French SF: Tsitsipas looked fresher in the fifth set.
2021 Wimbledon 4R: FAA looked fresher in the fifth set.
2023 Australian Open 2R: Zverev was taken to five sets by Varillas in the first round and looked tired in his second round loss to Mmoh.
2023 U.S. Open QF: Zverev won a tough five setter against Sinner in the 4R and looked out of gas in his QF loss against Alcaraz.
Overall, I still see Zverev as susceptible to running out of gas in five set matches, and I question his ability to win a five set match and then turn around and be able to win a tough match in the next round.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
Don't bother with him, he's just a clueless Mury lover. Anyone who isn't from the UK and roots for that draw filler has some serious issues.
On topic: Zvrv with his healthier body and DP's FH and mental toughness would be an effing beast.
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