WTA PREMIER MANDATORY: BEIJING

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  • Muguruza

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Halep

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Svitolina

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Ka. Pliskova

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Wozniacki

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Ostapenko

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Radwanska

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kvitova

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Others

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Total voters
    11
Of course the first thing detractors will immediately say is "slamless #1". But you know what?
It's an achievement that no one can take away from her anymore. She will always be known as a #1 and also as the first Romanian to do so.
Which is already more than what Radwanska or Ruzici managed to do.
 
Well, she is a slamless number one. That's a fact. And the second one this year. Don't see anything special or deserving about this record. Of course it's my opinion which I'm entitled to. No different from all the VERY NEGATIVE opinions about Serena or Federer. So hypocrites can move along now.:rolleyes:
 
It seems like wearing the Latvian colours somehow broke the spell for Simona.

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It's also interesting to note that Ostapenko was wearing the Romanian colours.
 
Pagoo said:
Well, she is a slamless number one. That's a fact. And the second one this year. Don't see anything special or deserving about this record. Of course it's my opinion which I'm entitled to. No different from all the VERY NEGATIVE opinions about Serena or Federer. So hypocrites can move along now.:rolleyes:
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And many Slam winners were never number 1.
So what?
They're different achievements.
 
ScentOfDefeat said:
Of course the first thing detractors will immediately say is "slamless #1". But you know what?
It's an achievement that no one can take away from her anymore. She will always be known as a #1 and also as the first Romanian to do so.
Which is already more than what Radwanska or Ruzici managed to do.
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That's correct but it's a hollow achievement being number 1 without being able to win a slam. It is what it is. If she can somehow keep up this level of play and repeat what's she's doing in this tournament in a slam to win the title(where it really matters), it will be a different story.
 
cc0509 said:
That's correct but it's a hollow achievement being number 1 without being able to win a slam. It is what it is. If she can somehow keep up this level of play and repeat what's she's doing in this tournament in a slam to win the title(where it really matters), it will be a different story.
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Sure, but no matter how you put it, its just an interpretation. No one thinks Thomas Johansson's or Marion Bartoli's career was hollow because they didn't get even close to number 1.
Sometimes - whether you want it or not - it's as seemingly "random" an event to win a Slam as it is to get to number 1.
This interpretation that winning Slams and being number are two things that need to be combined is only due to the fact that we've had very dominant players in this game during the Open era. But things change, and now we can see quite clearly how different the two achievements can be.
 
ScentOfDefeat said:
Sure, but no matter how you put it, its just an interpretation. No one thinks Thomas Johansson's or Marion Bartoli's career was hollow because they didn't get even close to number 1.
Sometimes - whether you want it or not - it's as seemingly "random" an event to win a Slam as it is to get to number 1.
This interpretation that winning Slams and being number are two things that need to be combined is only due to the fact that we've had very dominant players in this game during the Open era. But things change, and now we can see quite clearly how different the two achievements can be.
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The bottom line is it may be a great achievement to reach number 1 but until she can beat the players she needs to beat and win a slam in the process, who cares? Marion Bartoli won Wimbledon. That's a much greater landmark than achieving number 1 without a slam win.

I find the WTA top ten very weak at the moment. You may have five of those players who can achieve number 1 without winning slams temporarily with this weak field, i.e. Pliskova, Halep, etc.
 
cc0509 said:
The bottom line is it may be a great achievement to reach number 1 but until she can beat the players she needs to beat and win a slam in the process, who cares? Marion Bartoli won Wimbledon. That's a much greater landmark than achieving number 1 without a slam win.

I find the WTA top ten very weak at the moment. You may have five of those players who can achieve number 1 without winning slams temporarily with this weak field, i.e. Pliskova, Halep, etc.
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I think you're too focused on a specific notion of what tennis should be ideally (in your head) to be legitimate.
Tennis is like children, you can never control what they're going to become.
I for one am very happy about this career-defining step in Halep's development.
It means a great deal to her and certainly to all Romanians even if it doesn't impress the most demanding tennis fans (who will always be a minority, let's not forget).
 
ScentOfDefeat said:
I think you're too focused on a specific notion of what tennis should be ideally (in your head) to be legitimate.
Tennis is like children, you can never control what they're going to become.
I for one am very happy about this career-defining step in Halep's development.
It means a great deal to her and certainly to all Romanians even if it doesn't impress the most demanding tennis fans (who will always be a minority, let's not forget).
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We'll have to agree to disagree and I explained why above--weak field with probably multiple players who will achieve number 1 without winning a slam.

As for tennis fans, the majority of tennis fans (real fans) think a slamless number 1 is weak. Don't let your national pride get in the way of reason. ;)
 
cc0509 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree and I explained why above--weak field with probably multiple players who will achieve number 1 without winning a slam.

As for tennis fans, the majority of tennis fans (real fans) think a slamless number 1 is weak. Don't let your national pride get in the way of reason. ;)
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I never told you my nationality. You're assuming too much.
And I've already agreed to disagree. :)
 
ScentOfDefeat said:
Of course the first thing detractors will immediately say is "slamless #1". But you know what?
It's an achievement that no one can take away from her anymore. She will always be known as a #1 and also as the first Romanian to do so.
Which is already more than what Radwanska or Ruzici managed to do.
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Radwanska is not Romanian.
 
cc0509 said:
The bottom line is it may be a great achievement to reach number 1 but until she can beat the players she needs to beat and win a slam in the process, who cares? Marion Bartoli won Wimbledon. That's a much greater landmark than achieving number 1 without a slam win.
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Not true. Reaching number 1 is far more harder than winning a Slam. There are 25 players who have been number 1 and 45 players which have won a Slam. Bartoli is a terible example because she didnt beat anyone of notice and retired a month later.

Tennis is so much more than titles and Slams, its aslo about the effort and resilience. People like Nadal not just because of the titles but the way he wins them, IMO Halep has the same mentality but offcource less potential than Rafa and yet she reached the pinnacle.
 
Whoah Garcia just keep going on. Petra's serve let her down today and Garcia serving well especially compare to yesterday's match.

So the Wuhan title she got is not a fluke!
 
Caro's on a roll. Back to back finals. Petra was double faulting like it was going out of fashion, particularly at the end. Big hitting from both.
 
Bukmeikara said:
Not true. Reaching number 1 is far more harder than winning a Slam. There are 25 players who have been number 1 and 45 players which have won a Slam. Bartoli is a terible example because she didnt beat anyone of notice and retired a month later.

Tennis is so much more than titles and Slams, its aslo about the effort and resilience. People like Nadal not just because of the titles but the way he wins them, IMO Halep has the same mentality but offcource less potential than Rafa and yet she reached the pinnacle.
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Halep has the same mentality as Nadal? Come on dude! I think Halep is a choker.

Reaching number 1 is a great achievement but it's a bit hollow if you can't beat the best players to win a slam. She often wins premier tournaments but somehow can't close the deal when she's on the biggest stages. Let's see how long she can remain number 1 or if she can continue to beat power players at slams and win them.
 
cc0509 said:
Halep has the same mentality as Nadal? Come on dude! I think Halep is a choker.

Reaching number 1 is a great achievement but it's a bit hollow if you can't beat the best players to win a slam. She often wins premier tournaments but somehow can't close the deal when she's on the biggest stages. Let's see how long she can remain number 1 or if she can continue to beat power players at slams and win them.
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Halep doesnt have Nadal's weaponry. Mental strength is not only about winning but also about being beaten multiple times and still being able to come back. Simona did just that, hopefully her biggest titles are still yet to come.
 
Bukmeikara said:
Halep doesnt have Nadal's weaponry. Mental strength is not only about winning but also about being beaten multiple times and still being able to come back. Simona did just that, hopefully her biggest titles are still yet to come.
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But she chokes vs big hitting players in slams. How is she mentally tough? I don't see it at all.

In any case, let's see if she can win a slam moving forward. She choked her best chance at the FO 2017. She should have never lost that final vs Ostapenko after being up a set and a break. Epic choke.
 
cc0509 said:
But she chokes vs big hitting players in slams. How is she mentally tough? I don't see it at all.

In any case, let's see if she can win a slam moving forward. She choked her best chance at the FO 2017. She should have never lost that final vs Ostapenko after being up a set and a break. Epic choke.
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Her comeback vs Svitolina was far more difficult than her "choke" in the final. Even if she choked that match, Osta played great, its just one game
 
Simona's most improved shots in this tournament were her forehand and serve. Those were the two things she mentioned she needed to improve during an interview in Wuhan - stronger forehand & stronger serves.

These noticeable improvements are most likely due to Pavel's coaching. During the interview, when asked about what has Pavel added to the team, she said that she called him for his experience, and because "he is little younger and he knows this tennis a little bit more". " I like how he hits, he hits very strong."

Also noticed that her defense against Ostapenko's corner shots was really remarkable - not quite Nadal-like (Nadal hits winners off those defensive shots), but it was quite improved.
 
Bukmeikara said:
Her comeback vs Svitolina was far more difficult than her "choke" in the final. Even if she choked that match, Osta played great, its just one game
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Bottom line is she choked another final in another slam when she had the perfect draw(FO 2017) and until she reverses that trend, I don't have a lot of faith in her.
 
mike danny said:
Radwanska is not Romanian.
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I didn't say she was though.
Halep has achieved something important in two fronts: 1) in relation to Radwanska, who has a very similar career to hers, she has achieved something the Pole couldn't; 2) in relation to her countrywoman and Slam champion, Virginia Ruzici, Halep has also achieved something that had eluded the best Romanian players until now.
 
Well done to Halep finally reaching the top spot.

I guess in a way its good for Muguruza going into the WTA Finals, slightly less pressure on her going in as the top seed.
 
Congratulations Halep.

Is she the fifth no.1 of the year? I think so: Kerber, Williams, Pliskova, Muguruza, Halep

If so, has this ever happened before on either Tour? I seriously doubt it.
 
ScentOfDefeat said:
Of course the first thing detractors will immediately say is "slamless #1". But you know what?
It's an achievement that no one can take away from her anymore. She will always be known as a #1 and also as the first Romanian to do so.
Which is already more than what Radwanska or Ruzici managed to do.
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I admit that I always thought that being no.1 with out a major was rather hollow. However, when Kerber was no.1 I changed my view: As reigning no.1 her results were tragic, far inferior to both Wozniacki and Safina during their tenure at the top. As it stands Kerber will be judged to have had the better career but probably the worst serving no.1. EVER.
 
PDJ said:
Congratulations Halep.

Is she the fifth no.1 of the year? I think so: Kerber, Williams, Pliskova, Muguruza, Halep

If so, has this ever happened before on either Tour? I seriously doubt it.
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Answered here:

Aussie Darcy said:
You could easily argue the reason we've now had five different number #1's this year is Serena's pregnancy.

The last time the WTA had five different number #1's in the one year? 2008.
They were: Henin, Sharapova, Ivanovic, Jankovic and Serena.

What notable event happened that year to cause it? Henin stunned everyone by retiring whilst occupying the top position.
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Somebody wrote a list of WTA number ones since 1975.

Out of 25 women who have ever held it, 17 of them were in Serena's 2 decade era, not including herself.

Remarkable. Very noteworthy.
 
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Somebody wrote a list of WTA number ones since 1975.

Out of 25 women who have ever held it, 17 of them were in Serena's 2 decade era, not including herself.

Remarkable. Very noteworthy.
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For 20 years there were only 6 players to be ranked no.1 and 3 of them all time greats (Evert - the first computer no.1, Goolagong-Cawley - retrospectively- Navratilova, Austin, Graf & Seles).
Austin is the least accomplished in terms of majors won and her reign was brief (21 weeks), although not as brief as Goolagong-Cawley who had the two weeks at no.1 recognised long after she'd stopped playing. However, she has a pretty impressive CV!
In recent times it's been a revolving door at no.2 (such was Williams domination) now it's moved up to no.1.
Williams coming back could prove interesting.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
****, Azarenka is looking way too thin. Has a lot going on with the new child and the ex now trying to take custody but this is concerning.

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She always seems highly-strung so I imagine she's not coping well. And being this thin will not help her game and only add to her catalogue of injuries.
 
Unforced error and Garcia wins the first set 6-4!

Caroline Garcia winning the Premier 5 Wuhan Open and then the Premier Mandatory China Open would be amazing. Think it would be just the second time this year a player has won back to back titles at consecutive tournaments played. The other being Svitolina who won Taiwan and then Dubai three weeks later. But this would be in back to back weeks which is even more incredible!

Only other recent time I can think a player did something like this was when Azarenka won the Sunshine double (Indian Wells and Miami) but they're both 2 week tournaments.
 
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