WTA road map & the Williams Sisters, Venus and Serena.

yayanchaazaq

New User
The problem began with the WTA when they changed the ranking system. Up until that point it was fine. They changed the ranking system to hurt the Williams sisters in ranking and opportunities to break ranking records.

Right now, as a new player to the tour you will rise very quickly in the rankings as you get points for playing tournaments for the first time. That's why they constantly hype these new none talented blond "flopshells" that come on tour that later fizzle out; all to take attention away from and rain on the parade of the WSs. It's so bad and obvious what is going on, that you don't even get extra points for repeat performances like defending a title, even at a major; which is very hard!!! How lame is that, that is why Venus could win Wimbledon so many times in a row and still end up with such horrible rankings for years. As for the latter, even the seeding is horrible, for most of those years Venus has never gotten a #1 seeding at Wimbledon; in 2009 she was ranked #2 in the world and still did not get the #1 seed!!! Play in a tournament that you never played in before (or last year) and your ranking goes up. So what Venus and Serena should do is just play small tournaments that they never played before and and only play majors when it would improve their rankings and not from year to year. Sounds like the WTAs plan to demean the acheivemnets of the WSs is going to backfire on them. They need to do something about that loop whole quick, oh...they already did; "The Road Map," of ****ry!!!! Certain tournaments are manditory now and as I said before, winning them from year to year is not going to help your rankings at all, even the majors. Interesting observation though, the lower ranked (blond "flopshells") players donot have to play the same tournaments as the top ranked players do, "It's like the lower ranked players play in whole other tournament." Yeah the latter was a quote from an article on espn. Safina said this,

""They said the leading players would have to play in designated tournaments while lower-ranked players would be able to enter any event they like."

In other words the lower ranked players have much more control over their rankings than the top players do and that control does not come from their abilities as tennis players; just, oh..i didn't play in this tournament last year so if I play this year and do well my rankings go up. They don't have to do that well. I remember seeing Venus go farther than Bartoli who got knocked out in the first round of a tournament and she went up higher than Venus in the rankings; Venus won Wimbledon that year.

Look at the ATP, their ranking system has changed little and look at the result. You have clear number ones, in short it is the way the WTA used to be. If the WTA had the present ATP ranking system or if it would revert back to what it used to be, Venus & Serena would both be ranked hire more frequently but that's the apparent problem the WTA has isn't it?
 
The problem began with the WTA when they changed the ranking system. Up until that point it was fine. They changed the ranking system to hurt the Williams sisters in ranking and opportunities to break ranking records. ....


The most fundamental change of the WTA ranking system occured in 1997 when they abandoned the average points system.
The WTA wanted to hurt Steffi Graf who could play too often anymore due to injuries.

The result?
Hingis became #1 in March 1997 when Steffi still held the FO, Wimbledon, USO & YEC titles.
 
The problem isn’t the WTA, it Serena. You don’t play, you gain nothing! It’s crazy to have a player rank #1 for being inactive for half of year. Chijsters,Wozniacki and Vera deserve full credits for being ahead of her. I don’t care how much you are a fan of her, the only thing that matter is get your rear out there and compete.
 
No they changed the rankings because Tennis for most players is their job and they should be expected to do more than show up for 2 months out of the year playing their best. Before many of the top players had been skipping events outside of the slams and fans don't want to go see low ranked players get high seeds at top non slam events. If someone gave the kid of commitment to any other job that Serena does to tennis at times they would likely be fired no matter how good they are. If Serena only played the slams and the minimum requirements set by the new ranking system and brought her A game everywhere she would still be the number 1 player in the world, she just doesn't do that.
 
Last edited:
They re-changed the ranking in for last year or the year before, which capped countable tournaments on the wta to 16, so that in itself helped the Venus and Serena, who dont play that many tournaments.

The current system is currently fine and in theory is the best system to gauge the best players.

Venus' ranking has been accurate for the year she has had, so is Serena's.

Lets not forget they were both ranked 1 and 2 this year until post Wimby. They have been injured a lot and the ranking reflects that.

The mens system is similar and that works fine.
 
BS, BS and BS!!!!!!

Why would they want to hurt the Williams sisters rankings?

How about address my points...

The most fundamental change of the WTA ranking system occured in 1997 when they abandoned the average points system.
The WTA wanted to hurt Steffi Graf who could play too often anymore due to injuries.

The result?
Hingis became #1 in March 1997 when Steffi still held the FO, Wimbledon, USO & YEC titles.

BS!!!!

The problem isn’t the WTA, it Serena. You don’t play, you gain nothing! It’s crazy to have a player rank #1 for being inactive for half of year. Chijsters,Wozniacki and Vera deserve full credits for being ahead of her. I don’t care how much you are a fan of her, the only thing that matter is get your rear out there and compete.

How about address my points...if u did that you would make a fool of yourself. You said all that but not mention that the lower ranked players play "whole different tournament" than the higher ranked players and get points for tourneys they did not play in before...that fair right!!!!!

No they changed the rankings because Tennis for most players is their job and they should be expected to do more than show up for 2 months out of the year playing their best. Before many of the top players had been skipping events outside of the slams and fans don't want to go see low ranked players get high seeds at top non slam events. If someone gave the kid of commitment to any other job that Serena does to tennis at times they would likely be fired no matter how good they are. If Serena only played the slams and the minimum requirements set by the new ranking system and brought her A game everywhere she would still be the number 1 player in the world, she just doesn't do that.

Oh but Serena and her sister should not get more points for defending a title right!!!!! How about address my points!!!!!! now the WTA wants to dictate to the players eh? When graf was playing that was out of the question!!!!

They re-changed the ranking in for last year or the year before, which capped countable tournaments on the wta to 16, so that in itself helped the Venus and Serena, who dont play that many tournaments.

The current system is currently fine and in theory is the best system to gauge the best players.

Venus' ranking has been accurate for the year she has had, so is Serena's.

Lets not forget they were both ranked 1 and 2 this year until post Wimby. They have been injured a lot and the ranking reflects that.

The mens system is similar and that works fine.

BS!!!!! The men's system id completely different...completely!!!! How about address my points!!!!
 
^
Why would anyone want to address your nonsense about the WTA trying to hurt the WS?????

It’s one thing to be bias b/c of being her fan, but a blind fanatic can only reach this low.
 
Especially since he has apparently 0 understanding of how the ranking system works in the first place.
 
Hey, new poster! Calm down! It ain't a battle!
You are pretty experienced for a new poster I must say... an alternate identity perhaps?
 
BS!!!!! The men's system id completely different...completely!!!! How about address my points!!!!

Ahem. This was addressing your points. One of yours was to extol the virtues of the ATP system and how it is better. You say it's completely different, but that is simply dead wrong.

The main differences are:

** Event cap is 16 for WTA, 18 for ATP -- in other words, as already pointed out, if it were exactly like the ATP the WTA system would hurt the Williams sisters more than it already does.

** There is less of a dropoff in points for losing earlier in a tournament(i.e., more points for final, SF, QF loss in WTA than in ATP)

The two systems are fundamentally nearly identical though. One of your main points was to talk about how the big tournaments are mandatory for top players. That is exactly how the ATP does in. Slams, a minimum # of Masters events, and a minimum # of 500 events are required for top players.

It's so bad and obvious what is going on, that you don't even get extra points for repeat performances like defending a title, even at a major; which is very hard!!! How lame is that, that is why Venus could win Wimbledon so many times in a row and still end up with such horrible rankings for years.

No, Venus's problem was that she wasn't doing enough the other 40 or so weeks of the year when Wimbledon isn't being played.

You don't extra points for repeating a title in the ATP either. The whole point is that it measures what you've done over the past 52 weeks. How is it better, for example, to win Wimbledon twice in a row than to win FO one year and the USO the next? Why should the double Wimby winner be given a bonus?

So what Venus and Serena should do is just play small tournaments that they never played before and and only play majors when it would improve their rankings and not from year to year.

No, that would make their ranking go down even more. The only time playing a tournament you didn't play last year helps is if your result there is better than the one it replaces in your results. For example, if you win a tournament and got a QF in a different small tournament, or if you didn't have enough events to hit the level cap, then it improves your point total.

Not playing majors would be flatly idiotic when it comes to the rankings. Use the Wimby example. If Venus comes in as defending champion and wins again, her ranking points stay unchanged(because the previous year's result is dropped off, but you replaced it with a result that is just as good). On the other hand, if she doesn't play at all she loses 2000 points. Obviously it's far better to play than not play.

How about address my points...if u did that you would make a fool of yourself. You said all that but not mention that the lower ranked players play "whole different tournament" than the higher ranked players and get points for tourneys they did not play in before...that fair right!!!!!

Lower-ranked players play whole different tournaments all right -- tournaments where they cannot possibly win as many points as the Williams's could if they had consistent good results. That's the problem, they don't -- missing large sections of the year and not doing well outside of the majors for the most part. This is also another example of you either ignoring or not understanding the concept of the rolling 52-week ranking points system.
 
No players should not get more points simply for defending a title, that is ridiculous beyond extreme, they should not lose points unless they do worse or gain point unless they do better then before, if their performance is equal then the points should stay the same.

And as for there being no dictation to the players when Graf was playing, well it wasn't actually necessary back then because the top players who were winning slams were also actively competing elsewhere on the tour for most of the year and not missing large chunks of time for no real reason. Sorry that the tour is starting to enforce the need for the players to actually make a commitment if they are good enough to work their way up the rankings and to make them accountable to actually do what they say they love doing, playing tennis. How is it wrong to mandate that top players make a commitment to give time to the entire tour that is making them a ton of money for their talents? If a person at any other job sat around most of the time making little or no effort and only tried hard on big projects, they probably wouldn't last very long unless the company had a lot of money to lose, rules are needed when the people involved are not doing their part. In the past, this was not a problem
 
Last edited:
Back
Top