WTA week of 4/15; Stuttgart 500 & Rouen 250

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Yeah, see above and learn to read. No, really, go back and read my post (which isn't edited, BTW). There is a big caveat in there because, yeah, I really don't care enough about Raducanu's fluke run to remember all the details.
The hypocrisy here is that it was meaningful enough for you to cite that she beat no top 20 players in her USO win, but when you find out that she really did beat some top 20 players, then you suddenly dismiss that and say it's not meaningful. It's common when one is losing the argument to move the goal post you yourself initially set, which is exactly what you did here.

And yes, she obviously played pretty well (despite the super easy draw), as it was some fluke run of form. A bigger fluke than Ostapenko, because at least she didn't drop like a complete stone out of the top 200...
As @ScottleeSV noted, Raducanu dropped out of the 200 because of injury, not level of play. You know she was off the tour for 8 months while recovering from 3 different surgeries and that's the main reason why she is currently #303, not because she performed like #303. But your goal post-moving already showed you are being disingenuous and not making statements in good faith.

Yes, hype her up after a single game. And you wonder why people like me need to bring people like you back to reality.
Reality is exactly as I stated it. Raducanu seemingly made a poor decision to let Iga serve first as she went up 40-0, but then Emma rattled off 5 straight points, mostly winners. I stated no more and no less. If you take that as hype, then that's on you. I'm not making any great claims for Raducanu. I think if she can remain healthy, she can settle into being a player regularly in the top 30. I don't think she will ever be a stable top 5 player.

Ha, what? So it's all "solid" and positive for Emma, but ugly for everyone else? Please, Emma got steamrolled. If Iga had played just slightly less sloppy, it would have been even more one-sided.
So taking the best clay-courter currently playing into a tiebreak is getting steamrolled? Did you even watch the match? It was mostly a close affair with many games going to multiple deuces in both the first and second set. Only near the end did Iga raise her game to another level and take the win from there.
 
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Gizo

Hall of Fame
Rybakina has now won 10 consecutive completed 3 set matches now, with Osaka doing like-wise from 2019-2020.

In 8 of those 10 matches, she won the 1st set. I suppose you can look at that and say that she has often been dragged into 3 set battles by players that she should be beating anyway, or that she has solid and reliable in decisive 3rd sets.

The Kostyuk-Gauff QF wasn't high on quality at all, but it was at least lively in terms of drama and excitement.
 

spystud

Talk Tennis Guru
Pretty good lineup for two 250s.

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Iga v. Elena in 20.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
has Iga ever lost five games in a row on clay?...Elena doing to her what she's done off of clay...Iga really making a lot of errors though, on balls she's set up for too including an early forehand that would have solidified her early lead...a lot of errors vs. Emma yesterday too...I know this is different conditions than RG but still something to see...let's see if Iga can come from behind
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Went to the Oeiras 125 this morning and saw Mladenovic winning the first set only to lose the next two 6-0.
I feel it's over for her in singles...
Mind you, Lamens is a pretty solid player, almost like a WTA version of Kecmanovic. Very few errors.
 

D-Lite

Hall of Fame
Went to the Oeiras 125 this morning and saw Mladenovic winning the first set only to lose the next two 6-0.
I feel it's over for her in singles...
Mind you, Lamens is a pretty solid player, almost like a WTA version of Kecmanovic. Very few errors.
Had not realised she even played singles anymore. Mad that she had that bizarre hot run of form in what 2017 and has been a headcase since? Prior to that and in juniors I think she was also super erratic so just doesn't seem to have ever been able to add margin into her game.
 

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
ER has 10 TOTAL MATCHES on clay, at all levels. Iga has won 10 on this tournament alone.

She has a 10-7 record on clay, so not quite that few, but your main point still stands : she's very inexperienced on the surface. She really has no right beating the likes of Garcia or Noskova on it, let alone pushing Swiatek to a rare TB on her favourite surface.

I wouldn't mind seeing where she is with another couple of years of uninterrupted development.
 
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ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
Mladenovic got to that French Open quarter final and the talent was all there. Just seemed afraid to fully chase success after that. Like she was afraid to fail or something. It was back in those days she used to make all those snidey tweets about this and that. Mentally very fragile.
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
Weird how we have different thought processes in our heads about who we want to win and against whom. Yesterday I was dying to see Swiatek lose. Today I'm really pulling for her to win.
 

D-Lite

Hall of Fame
Stephens into the final to face Kalinina or Linette after taking out home favourite Garcia in straights. I suspect Kalinina will be the more dangerous foe in the final.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Had not realised she even played singles anymore. Mad that she had that bizarre hot run of form in what 2017 and has been a headcase since? Prior to that and in juniors I think she was also super erratic so just doesn't seem to have ever been able to add margin into her game.
She played a really good first set, sliced and diced and went to the net and was able to surprise Lamens with her flat strokes.
In the second set she started playing Lamens' game for some reason and never recovered from a disastrous beginning of the second set. And it just snowballed from there.
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
BREAKING NEWS:

Garbiñe Muguruza has officially retired from professional tennis at the age of 30.
Not shocked at this but still very sad to hear. She was a likable player and 29/30 seems unusually young in this day and age. Not many can say they've beaten both Williams sisters in major singles finals. Happy retirement to her.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
Rybakina is becoming Iga's Kryptonite. Iga is 2-4 against Rybakina excluding echo. Rybakina's power game really pressured Iga, preventing her from hitting her usual loopy FH that troubles many players.
 

D-Lite

Hall of Fame
Rybakina won Rome last year before withdrawing from RG through sickness, didn't she? How a year flies, but she was definitely a top 3 favourite then.
 

austintennis2005

Professional
Mladenovic got to that French Open quarter final and the talent was all there. Just seemed afraid to fully chase success after that. Like she was afraid to fail or something. It was back in those days she used to make all those snidey tweets about this and that. Mentally very fragile.
Was she the one that “spoke 20 languages” lol
 

HarveyPitnik

Professional
^ Interesting :rolleyes:

I really thought Marta would be well drained by now, but guess not then...

Still, quite nice line-up for a final (I'm among many that didn't want Iga there) and for some reason Kostyuk has even shaked hands with Ryba (at least earlier)...
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
That needs some context. The most notable drop E.R took was from about 16th to 80th after the 2022 US Open. This was after a bitsy injury-plagued sort of a season.

She finished the year 78th and then stayed roughly in that same sort of area in the rankings until April 2023 when she was about 70th-75th. At that point she dropped off the tour and went for surgeries....
Blah, blah... stop with the injuries. She also fired a million coaches in the year after winning the USO, and half or her retirements weren't for legit injuries, but just anxiety or good old being out of shape.

Yes, surgeries are a real thing, but if you don't have the body for professional sports, you don't have the body for professional sports. There are many such cases...
The hypocrisy here is that it was meaningful enough for you to cite that she beat no top 20 players in her USO win, but when you find out that she really did beat some top 20 players, then you suddenly dismiss that and say it's not meaningful. It's common when one is losing the argument to move the goal post you yourself initially set, which is exactly what you did here.


So taking the best clay-courter currently playing into a tiebreak is getting steamrolled? Did you even watch the match? It was mostly a close affair with many games going to multiple deuces in both the first and second set. Only near the end did Iga raise her game to another level and take the win from there.
Oh dear, you don't know what "hypocrisy" means, do you? Another trip to the dictionary is in order.

Ok, let's ignore what they were ranked at the time (because that really isn't the point), and simply call them by their names. Bencic and Sakkari. Those were the toughest two opponents she faced... which is to say, not very tough at all.

And "the best clay-courter" just got tossed from the tournament by a decent hard court and grass player. Iga was playing poorly, and simply stopped playing poorly at a certain point, but she was hardly anything special.

has Iga ever lost five games in a row on clay?...Elena doing to her what she's done off of clay...Iga really making a lot of errors though, on balls she's set up for too including an early forehand that would have solidified her early lead...a lot of errors vs. Emma yesterday too...I know this is different conditions than RG but still something to see...let's see if Iga can come from behind
Swiatek has been too error prone for a while now. Usually she can get away with it against weaker opponents (like Raducanu), but Rybakina kept her honest.

Rybakina is becoming Iga's Kryptonite. Iga is 2-4 against Rybakina excluding echo. Rybakina's power game really pressured Iga, preventing her from hitting her usual loopy FH that troubles many players.
Again, Swiatek is a weak #1, and even on her "best surface" her game is actually pretty limited. Where was her plan B? The world #1 doesn't even have a serviceable slice backhand she can use? Geez.

Elena made it look routine playing the #1 player on her best surface.
See above. Players like Hingis, Henin and Graf probably wouldn't drop a single set in the ENTIRE clay season if they were on tour now.

Maketa went out without much of a fight.
She never looks like she is fighting/trying. Even when she wins, it generally looks quite casual. That's just her way...
 

Bambooman

Legend
^ Interesting :rolleyes:

I really thought Marta would be well drained by now, but guess not then...

Still, quite nice line-up for a final (I'm among many that didn't want Iga there) and for some reason Kostyuk has even shaked hands with Ryba (at least earlier)...
Why wouldn't she shake her hand?
 

Bambooman

Legend
Blah, blah... stop with the injuries. She also fired a million coaches in the year after winning the USO, and half or her retirements weren't for legit injuries, but just anxiety or good old being out of shape.

Yes, surgeries are a real thing, but if you don't have the body for professional sports, you don't have the body for professional sports. There are many such cases...

Oh dear, you don't know what "hypocrisy" means, do you? Another trip to the dictionary is in order.

Ok, let's ignore what they were ranked at the time (because that really isn't the point), and simply call them by their names. Bencic and Sakkari. Those were the toughest two opponents she faced... which is to say, not very tough at all.

And "the best clay-courter" just got tossed from the tournament by a decent hard court and grass player. Iga was playing poorly, and simply stopped playing poorly at a certain point, but she was hardly anything special.


Swiatek has been too error prone for a while now. Usually she can get away with it against weaker opponents (like Raducanu), but Rybakina kept her honest.


Again, Swiatek is a weak #1, and even on her "best surface" her game is actually pretty limited. Where was her plan B? The world #1 doesn't even have a serviceable slice backhand she can use? Geez.


See above. Players like Hingis, Henin and Graf probably wouldn't drop a single set in the ENTIRE clay season if they were on tour now.


She never looks like she is fighting/trying. Even when she wins, it generally looks quite casual. That's just her way...
Too much effort put into an argument you already lost. Do better.
 

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
Looks like another defeat in a 500 final for Kostyuk, unless she can pull another rabbit out of the hat.

She's making good progress in 2024.
 

D-Lite

Hall of Fame
Sloane hates easy, of course playing a decider.
I feel she needs to find a way to handle these matches in straights. I know it can get more nervy as you get older if you want a title or a result a lot but she certainly will have SF hopes at RG with a good draw, and we all know anything can happen especially at RG.
 

D-Lite

Hall of Fame
Way to go Sloane Stephens! An 8th career WTA tour title, and a first on European clay courts (won Charleston on green clay in 2016; also won WTA 125K in St Malo on European clay last year). She's now up to #33 in the rankings.
 
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