WTF 2010 Final: Rafael Nadal (1) vs Roger Federer (2)

Who wins?


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fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
Not surprised of this result. Nadal was tired, he is not really that good indoors(lost his last 3 finals indoors to Nalby, Murray and Fed), plus Fed is the best indoors player on tour. Pretty obvious the result.
of course... looks like your jinxing attempts have hit their expiry date :twisted: :):)
 

inthemisosoup

Semi-Pro
congrats federer! i'm so happy! :) had to work this afternoon and finally got to sit down and watch the match. i thought really he played amazingly well and rafa didn't play bad, either. the first set was probably the highest quality from both, but a really great match overall. looking forward to the AO for sure now!!!
 

namelessone

Legend
congrats federer! i'm so happy! :) had to work this afternoon and finally got to sit down and watch the match. i thought really he played amazingly well and rafa didn't play bad, either. the first set was probably the highest quality from both, but a really great match overall. looking forward to the AO for sure now!!!
LOLWUT,

Nadal had no winners until like 4-4 and was pretty bad on serve.

First set was federer all the way.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
Another interesting stat is that Nadal was bageled in 2 of his last 3 indoor finals. By Nalby and Murray. And breadsticked by Fed. Simply subpar indoors.
 

billnepill

Hall of Fame
Not surprised of this result. Nadal was tired, he is not really that good indoors(lost his last 3 finals indoors to Nalby, Murray and Fed), plus Fed is the best indoors player on tour. Pretty obvious the result.
Well, the "tired" premise.. I don't buy it.

Nadal skipped a relatively big tournament to chase this one. Don't you think this leaves enough time for him to rest?

If you meant the match with Murray - well, Nadal is famous for his stamina. I don't think this should be an issue. If it is, then you as a fan should be concerned, because he rellies on it to win matches.

Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your post. It's pretty surprising though that Fed can pull this off against a 2010 Nadal who was a BEAST the whole year.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
It doesn't matter if Nadal was tired. Tennis matches are all about who is better on the day/night, and Federer was better than Nadal tonight.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
It's pretty surprising though that Fed can pull this off against a 2010 Nadal who was a BEAST the whole year.

Not really. Nadal has eaten bakery products in his last 3 indoor finals. Also Nadal had never taken a set off Fed indoors before this year. Meanwhile Nadal was able to take a set off Fed at the 2006 Wimbledon final. This was Supreme Fed who had not lost a set before the Wimbledon final while Nadal was a complete novice on grass. At the 2007 Wimbledon final Nadal took 2 sets off Fed while at the YEC 2007 he still couldn't take a set off Fed. Fed will always beat Nadal indoors, unless Fed gets mono.
 

namelessone

Legend
Well, the "tired" premise.. I don't buy it.

Nadal skipped a relatively big tournament to chase this one. Don't you think this leaves enough time for him to rest?

If you meant the match with Murray - well, Nadal is famous for his stamina. I don't think this should be an issue. If it is, then you as a fan should be concerned, because he rellies on it to win matches.

Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your post. It's pretty surprising though that Fed can pull this off against a 2010 Nadal who was a BEAST the whole year.
Not indoors he wasn't. He nearly lost to Roddick and Murray, remember?

Also, Nadal doesn't give a crap about Paris Masters, neither does Fed. Did you know that Fed made his first SF there this year? The guy who has won 66 tourneys, numerous slams and masters didn't even make a SF there until this year? It's position in the calendar is messed up so some top players skip it or semi tank if you know what I mean.

It's true that Nadal wanted to erase the embarrasment of last year at WTF but I doubt he had WTF WIN as a goal.

Nadal said before the tourney started that this is one of the toughest for him to win, tougher than a slam, not only because he meets the best of the world but also that most of them are better than him on this particular surface.

Nadal has improved a lot on this surface, I didn't expect him to beat Murray nor take a set from Federer. But he still has a lot to learn.
 

billnepill

Hall of Fame
to both namelessone and cyan

Yes, I agree that given the previous history of Nadal at indoor tourneys and Federer's excellent record on such courts, it should be pretty straight forward to guess in favor of Federer. However, Nadal still looked impressive the previous matches. Both matches against Roddick and Murray were tough, but Nadal showed some great mentality and skills beating both of them. I actually felt this might well be a spillover of his great improvement on every single surface this year, he has some new skills and techniques under his belt which he relentlessly executes.
Look, Federer leads the H2H outside clay, but still noone can expect an easy win for Federer. The only exceptions are the two previous encounters at this tourney. But now that is prime Nadal we are talking about, who improved massively since then. And now that is Federer who played terribly for the big part of the year and his game is/was detiorating. Yes, he has been playing solidly the whole tournament, but that doesn't meen anything against Nadal considering their history.

So, yes, I'm surprised/glad Fed beat Nadal in that manner.
 

Speranza

Hall of Fame
I love seeing all the *******s pat each other on the back like they've accomplished something.
Holmes: That's jolly decent of you CF, at last you're maturing. Well done!

Watson: Er, Holmes... I think he was, er, being sar-

Holmes: Ah! Oh... Such a pity. Never mind. At least Arsenal didn't lose in Europe this week, that would have upset him even more.

Watson: Er, Holmes.....
 

aceX

Hall of Fame
I love seeing all the *******s pat each other on the back like they've accomplished something.
Any **** is a bad ****.

People just want to be fashionable and associate themselves with a winner.

I felt like the match was living up to the hype until Nadal was suddenly broken in the first set. The match was able to regain it's tension when Nadal leveled the score 1 set each. I thought Nadal had the momentum and would go on to win but he suddenly went off the boil and lost the deciding set 6-1.

As the commentator said I would have liked to have seen them play well at the same time. But Roger simply went for the lines and found his mark more often than not. Nadal didn't have an answer.
 
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meg0529

Guest
Well, the "tired" premise.. I don't buy it.

Nadal skipped a relatively big tournament to chase this one. Don't you think this leaves enough time for him to rest?

If you meant the match with Murray - well, Nadal is famous for his stamina. I don't think this should be an issue. If it is, then you as a fan should be concerned, because he rellies on it to win matches.

Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your post. It's pretty surprising though that Fed can pull this off against a 2010 Nadal who was a BEAST the whole year.
Rafa didn't mention it, but it was obvious. Yes he had 5 weeks off, but he looked like hell at the beginning of those 5 weeks. In the second set yesterday against Murray, he just sort of gave up. Today in the third set he was hardly running. If you see tweets or "as it happened" match reports a lot of people mention how Nadal looked incredibly sluggish in the 3rd set. Fed played well, but that Rafa was tired was quite obvious. Especially since he managed to recover from a terrible loss in the first set to beating fed in the same way in the second. he should have been charged up, but it was like he just ran out of gas.
 

Netspirit

Hall of Fame
It took Nadal too much energy to produce that outburst in the beginning of the second set.

After losing the first set looking like a whipping boy (zero break points, very few winners, no aces, etc.) he fired himself up and started to play extremely aggressively, out of his comfort zone, and managed to shake Fed's confidence and break his serve.

A third-setter may be short, but it is not a sprint. Federer weathered the storm, wisely spent his mental and physical energy and ***** the bull in the 3rd set with his goat breadstick.

His victory is legitimate and has no asterisks to it whatsoever. He had more tournaments in his legs (coming from a grueling and extremely disappointing (5 MPs) fight against Monfils at Bercy where Nadal did not even play). He played after Nadal, so he had less time to recover. And the fact that he managed to beat Djokovic in straights only adds to, not subtracts from, his overall sucess.
 
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Outbeyond

Legend
It doesn't matter if Nadal was tired. Tennis matches are all about who is better on the day/night, and Federer was better than Nadal tonight.
No, actually, tennis matches are all about who is better in the TOURNAMENT, and Federer had a better tournament than Nadal. Straight sets all but for the final...Fed was less tired in the final because he beat his opponents in the earlier rounds so much faster! Had Nadal done the same he would've been less tired!

That's why tiredness is no excuse, simply NO excuse, and that's why Nadal -smart and attuned -did not use it as one.

That said, don't think for one minute that Rafa isn't pondering this latest update in Fed's game. Rafa, too, as we all know, is learning as he goes and will be ready for 2011.

Vamos, dear Rafa!!!!!!!!!!! I know you'll blast them ALL out of the water next year! :)
 

aceX

Hall of Fame
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No, actually, tennis matches are all about who is better in the TOURNAMENT, and Federer had a better tournament than Nadal. Straight sets all but for the final...Fed was less tired in the final because he beat his opponents in the earlier rounds so much faster! Had Nadal done the same he would've been less tired!

That's why tiredness is no excuse, simply NO excuse, and that's why Nadal -smart and attuned -did not use it as one.

That said, don't think for one minute that Rafa isn't pondering this latest update in Fed's game. Rafa, too, as we all know, is learning as he goes and will be ready for 2011.

Vamos, dear Rafa!!!!!!!!!!! I know you'll blast them ALL out of the water next year! :)
People all too often look at matches without considering the context.
 
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meg0529

Guest
No, actually, tennis matches are all about who is better in the TOURNAMENT, and Federer had a better tournament than Nadal. Straight sets all but for the final...Fed was less tired in the final because he beat his opponents in the earlier rounds so much faster! Had Nadal done the same he would've been less tired!

That's why tiredness is no excuse, simply NO excuse, and that's why Nadal -smart and attuned -did not use it as one.

That said, don't think for one minute that Rafa isn't pondering this latest update in Fed's game. Rafa, too, as we all know, is learning as he goes and will be ready for 2011.

Vamos, dear Rafa!!!!!!!!!!! I know you'll blast them ALL out of the water next year! :)
Great post! That or I'm fickle, lol. But I'm seeing it your way now! :)
 

wilkinru

Professional
Some further analysis...

It was clear Fed wasn't going to make as many backhand mistakes as usual - he has been working on the backhand non-stop with his new coach. He made so few mistakes with it the last month or so. This was the key.

Fed also implemented going to Nadal's backhand (down the line) when Nadal went to Fed's backhand - again, being consistent on backhand was required to do this. Once on Nadal's backhand, Fed had a chance to control the point.

On return of serve - Fed was willing to go after the second, as he should (delpo showed us all this). He went for it and it paid off. Nadal tends to serve to the forehand on BIG points - like the first BP on the third set. Fed apparently realized this and didnt move over and predictably Nadal served to his forehand. Nearly a poker hand here - he will do this so I will do this so he will do this.

Fed went at the net at good times, being a bit stubborn about it, winning some easier points. Again very important.

I would say that Fed's strat was not THAT high risk - it was just having a solid backhand for the first time in 2 years (yes I'm serious).

Nadal can be proud of winning all of those matches and having a wonderful year. I don't think Fed will be able to handle some surfaces against Nadal, but it makes for an interesting 2011. I think Fed will have to continue to concern himself with being slower and the quick turnarounds in matches. It is unlikely Fed will win another USO(unless he can he get a roddick in the semi for once?) or RG, but the rest are up for grabs for sure.

The pecking order was pretty much established in this tourney - Djok cannot beat THIS fed, nor can murray.

2011's biggest question: How will Delpo do? He looked quite out of form coming back this year - his ranking is gone, it wont be easy to come back and get in form. May take him a whole year or more. Both are a major danger for Nadal and Fed, a wild card in fact.

Neither of them really solved him...but I dont think it will matter until the summer hardcourt season, where delpo may get in form.

I dont see anything new for 2011 - Nadal has to defend a ton and you never know what will happen with his health. Fed is still strong (what will happen when we see a real injury?).
 
Not indoors he wasn't. He nearly lost to Roddick and Murray, remember?

Also, Nadal doesn't give a crap about Paris Masters, neither does Fed. Did you know that Fed made his first SF there this year? The guy who has won 66 tourneys, numerous slams and masters didn't even make a SF there until this year? It's position in the calendar is messed up so some top players skip it or semi tank if you know what I mean.

It's true that Nadal wanted to erase the embarrasment of last year at WTF but I doubt he had WTF WIN as a goal.

Nadal said before the tourney started that this is one of the toughest for him to win, tougher than a slam, not only because he meets the best of the world but also that most of them are better than him on this particular surface.

Nadal has improved a lot on this surface, I didn't expect him to beat Murray nor take a set from Federer. But he still has a lot to learn.
Didn't Nadal win Madrid indoors in 2005? Indoors is not his best, but it's not like he sucks on it either.

And Nadal always plays the 'This will be a tough tournament, no?" card everywhere, even on clay sometimes.
 
Rafa didn't mention it, but it was obvious. Yes he had 5 weeks off, but he looked like hell at the beginning of those 5 weeks. In the second set yesterday against Murray, he just sort of gave up. Today in the third set he was hardly running. If you see tweets or "as it happened" match reports a lot of people mention how Nadal looked incredibly sluggish in the 3rd set. Fed played well, but that Rafa was tired was quite obvious. Especially since he managed to recover from a terrible loss in the first set to beating fed in the same way in the second. he should have been charged up, but it was like he just ran out of gas.
But Rafaito is the fittest guy in the world, no?

http://www.mensfitness.com/fitness/469
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Fed's backhand was also excellent in the AO final but that was against Murray of course.



Some further analysis...

It was clear Fed wasn't going to make as many backhand mistakes as usual - he has been working on the backhand non-stop with his new coach. He made so few mistakes with it the last month or so. This was the key.

Fed also implemented going to Nadal's backhand (down the line) when Nadal went to Fed's backhand - again, being consistent on backhand was required to do this. Once on Nadal's backhand, Fed had a chance to control the point.

On return of serve - Fed was willing to go after the second, as he should (delpo showed us all this). He went for it and it paid off. Nadal tends to serve to the forehand on BIG points - like the first BP on the third set. Fed apparently realized this and didnt move over and predictably Nadal served to his forehand. Nearly a poker hand here - he will do this so I will do this so he will do this.

Fed went at the net at good times, being a bit stubborn about it, winning some easier points. Again very important.

I would say that Fed's strat was not THAT high risk - it was just having a solid backhand for the first time in 2 years (yes I'm serious).

Nadal can be proud of winning all of those matches and having a wonderful year. I don't think Fed will be able to handle some surfaces against Nadal, but it makes for an interesting 2011. I think Fed will have to continue to concern himself with being slower and the quick turnarounds in matches. It is unlikely Fed will win another USO(unless he can he get a roddick in the semi for once?) or RG, but the rest are up for grabs for sure.

The pecking order was pretty much established in this tourney - Djok cannot beat THIS fed, nor can murray.

2011's biggest question: How will Delpo do? He looked quite out of form coming back this year - his ranking is gone, it wont be easy to come back and get in form. May take him a whole year or more. Both are a major danger for Nadal and Fed, a wild card in fact.

Neither of them really solved him...but I dont think it will matter until the summer hardcourt season, where delpo may get in form.

I dont see anything new for 2011 - Nadal has to defend a ton and you never know what will happen with his health. Fed is still strong (what will happen when we see a real injury?).
 

wilkinru

Professional
Fed's backhand was also excellent in the AO final but that was against Murray of course.


Okay, how about consistent.

Yes in the final of the AO he was on. I'm talking about a solid backhand he can really trust day after day.

I think he has done LOTS of top spin drills. I think they found a super heavy top spin forehand guy...and just went to Fed's backhand for weeks.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
3/3 on BPs sums the match up !!!!

man, how good was federer's ground game in the first set ???????? 17 Winners to nadal's 2

if only he'd returned better in the first 2 sets, match would've been over in straights. One sloppy service game cost him in the 2nd set

3rd set, he finally got his returns going and the result was a breadstick !

perfect execution on BPs, phenomenal FH and excellent BH
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
how much has fed's movement to the right deteriorated ? Earlier it was as good as anyone's , but he is appearing more and more vulnerable there. The slowness of the surface helped him cover it up this week, but he's gonna have to work on that !
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It will still be a problem hitting the backhand on higher bouncing clay, but the aggression on that side is a joy to see again.



Okay, how about consistent.

Yes in the final of the AO he was on. I'm talking about a solid backhand he can really trust day after day.

I think he has done LOTS of top spin drills. I think they found a super heavy top spin forehand guy...and just went to Fed's backhand for weeks.
 

namelessone

Legend
But Rafaito is the fittest guy in the world, no?

http://www.mensfitness.com/fitness/469
By the end of the year, Nadal is always looking more gassed regardless of his results in shaghai,paris or WTF. Sure, the guy took some time off but he couldn't execute his opponents like Fed so he grinded out more time on court, especially with roddick and murray.

You have to understand that this yearly wear and tear is gradual, as for all players, and moreso for Nadal with his gamestyle. We are at the end of November and I can't believe that Nadal isn't feeling the year of tennis in his body, even with a month of rest.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
There's a newsreel of it on the fox sports button of the Australian newspaper website. The shot is hit way within the baseline and has an extremely high trajectory but it drops right on the corner lines, but there's no hawkeye replay on that website.



Tanks !

Does anyone have a video of the last point. It looked out to me. They did not show a replay. Looked like Federer also stopped for a mo. Then when no call was made he exulted !!!
 

namelessone

Legend
Didn't Nadal win Madrid indoors in 2005? Indoors is not his best, but it's not like he sucks on it either.

And Nadal always plays the 'This will be a tough tournament, no?" card everywhere, even on clay sometimes.
Rafa has been a top player since 2005 and has made 3 indoors finals, madrid 2005, paris 2007 and wtf 2010. In the new format he would have lost madid 2005, which he won in five. In Paris and WTF he got served bakery products.

So it's pretty much the hardest surface for him to win on. Even harder when you play only top players. In a slam you usually play 2 top players, in sf and f.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Going CMM style hey?
I always post pics Gorecki.Been doing it since before CMM joined I think :(
And Roger look better than cats :cool:
Besides,eeeet eez fun annoying u b-cuz u iz a Serendipitouz ****.
wer is dipitouz?? I can haz da dezire 2 fight wid him.:evil:
 

Gorecki

G.O.A.T.
I always post pics Gorecki.Been doing it since before CMM joined I think :(
Besides,eeeet eez fun annoying u b-cuz u iz a Serendipitouz ****.
wer is dipitouz?? I can haz da dezire 2 fight wid him.:evil:
i know , i know... juz joukin!

you can has you fight with de dippyz... but he be gud at the lol catz fightz
 
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