WTF correlation with the peaks of BIG 3

[LawnTennisGod]

It seems like the Peaks of the BIG 3 ended quite some time ago. Because I have noticed a correlation of that with their WTF performances. They all stopped winning the tour finals a long time ago...


1) Novak Djokovic won his first WTF in 2008 and then four in a row from 2012 to 2015. But he hasn't won it since. Thats around when I believe his peak ended, though he was the runner up in 2016 as well as 2018. But not much since. So he has been on a clear downward trajectory.

2) Roger Federer won WTF 6 times between 2003 and 2011. But he hasn't won it since either. Thats around when his peak ended I believe.
Plus he was the finalist (runner up) in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Not much since... clear downward trajectory.

3) Rafael Nadal has never won a WTF title, though he was the Finalist in 2010 and 2013. Clearly thats when his peak ended.


All in all, is WTF something that you can only typically win when you are younger and near the heights of your ability because it is played indoors and older folks (past their peak folks) are more easily found wanting on the indoor surfaces at the end of the season?

It really seems to correlate with the peaks of the BIG 3.....

 

[clayqueen]

How peak do you have to be to win 2 slams in a row at the age of 36?

 

[Deleted member 792641]

How peak do you have to be to win 2 slams in a row at the age of 36?

clayqueen, you BETTER not argue that Nadal is at his peak right now. Don’t even try this.

 

[clayqueen]

clayqueen, you BETTER not argue that Nadal is at his peak right now. Don’t even try this.

Even better that he is dominating past his peak.

 

[Hitman]

It seems like the Peaks of the BIG 3 ended quite some time ago. Because I have noticed a correlation of that with their WTF performances. They all stopped winning the tour finals a long time ago...


1) Novak Djokovic won his first WTF in 2008 and then four in a row from 2012 to 2015. But he hasn't won it since. Thats around when I believe his peak ended, though he was the runner up in 2016 as well as 2018. But not much since. So he has been on a clear downward trajectory.

2) Roger Federer won WTF 6 times between 2003 and 2011. But he hasn't won it since either. Thats around when his peak ended I believe.
Plus he was the finalist (runner up) in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Not much since... clear downward trajectory.

3) Rafael Nadal has never won a WTF title, though he was the Finalist in 2010 and 2013. Clearly thats when his peak ended.


All in all, is WTF something that you can only typically win when you are younger and near the heights of your ability because it is played indoors and older folks (past their peak folks) are more easily found wanting on the indoor surfaces at the end of the season?

It really seems to correlate with the peaks of the BIG 3.....

You're facing MULTIPLE top 10 players to win this title, so yeah, you better be at your peak or very close to it, if you want to win. There are no easy draws.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

You're facing MULTIPLE top 10 players to win this title, so yeah, you better be at your peak or very close to it, if you want to win. There are no easy draws.

wanna bet this year’s draw will be cake and either Nadal or Djokovic win it?

 

[Hitman]

wanna bet this year’s draw will be cake and either Nadal or Djokovic win it?

What are we betting?

 

[Russeljones]

No. Favourable conditions fudge with any sort of correlation when you talk about great players in a weak ara.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

What are we betting?

ah - just an expression, I don’t actually wanna bet anything lol

but you don’t think it’ll be easy this year and 1 of the 2 will win it?

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

It seems like the Peaks of the BIG 3 ended quite some time ago. Because I have noticed a correlation of that with their WTF performances. They all stopped winning the tour finals a long time ago...


1) Novak Djokovic won his first WTF in 2008 and then four in a row from 2012 to 2015. But he hasn't won it since. Thats around when I believe his peak ended, though he was the runner up in 2016 as well as 2018. But not much since. So he has been on a clear downward trajectory.

2) Roger Federer won WTF 6 times between 2003 and 2011. But he hasn't won it since either. Thats around when his peak ended I believe.
Plus he was the finalist (runner up) in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Not much since... clear downward trajectory.

3) Rafael Nadal has never won a WTF title, though he was the Finalist in 2010 and 2013. Clearly thats when his peak ended.


All in all, is WTF something that you can only typically win when you are younger and near the heights of your ability because it is played indoors and older folks (past their peak folks) are more easily found wanting on the indoor surfaces at the end of the season?

It really seems to correlate with the peaks of the BIG 3.....

Similar with pete

 

[Hitman]

ah - just an expression, I don’t actually wanna bet anything lol

but you don’t think it’ll be easy this year and 1 of the 2 will win it?

I'd think it would be the same as in the other years, in that they have a chance to win, but they are not overwhelming favs.

Take a look at Nadal in 2019, 2020, he was one of the favs for sure, played well but still lost. Last two years the same can be said for Djokovic, played some great tennis, but couldn't get the job done.

 

[JaxTeller]

That's why Peak of Fedole is twice that of Nadal's peak

 

[Deleted member 792641]

I'd think it would be the same as in the other years, in that they have a chance to win, but they are not overwhelming favs.

Take a look at Nadal in 2019, 2020, he was one of the favs for sure, played well but still lost. Last two years the same can be said for Djokovic, played some great tennis, but couldn't get the job done.

But the big blocks in their way - Thiem and Zverev, are pretty much nonfactors now. The only players in the top 8 in the race that can challenge Nadal and Djokovic are Alcaraz and Medvedev (Tsitsipas is decent at WTF but is in bad form). I’d say combined Nadal and Djokovic have at least a 75% shot of winning it

 

[Hitman]

But the big blocks in their way - Thiem and Zverev, are pretty much nonfactors now. The only players in the top 8 in the race that can challenge Nadal and Djokovic are Alcaraz and Medvedev (Tsitsipas is decent at WTF but is in bad form). I’d say combined Nadal and Djokovic have at least a 75% shot of winning it

You maybe right, but I think we would get a better idea after USO, as the event will be on hard court, and we will see which players potentially are finding late season form. But yeah, they are contenders for sure.

 

[mike danny]

Even better that he is dominating past his peak.

Interesting, so his wins don't lessen the older he gets

 

[mike danny]

You're facing MULTIPLE top 10 players to win this title, so yeah, you better be at your peak or very close to it, if you want to win. There are no easy draws.

Laughs in Dimitrov.

 

[Hitman]

Laughs in Dimitrov.

His draw got easier because Federer faltered against Goffin and Nadal hurt his foot.

But take a look at Goffin himself, beat Fedal there and still couldn't win the title.

 

[mike danny]

His draw got easier because Federer faltered against Goffin and Nadal hurt his foot.

But take a look at Goffin himself, beat Fedal there and still couldn't win the title.

I know, but Dimitrov somehow proved that you can win the WTF with a weak draw: Goffin x2, PCB, green Thiem and Sock.

 

[Hitman]

I know, but Dimitrov somehow proved that you can win the WTF with a weak draw: Goffin x2, PCB, green Thiem and Sock.

Well, if players pull out, what can you do? And we are saying Goffin x2, but wasn't Goffin 2-0 against Fedal in that very same event?

 

[mike danny]

Well, if players pull out, what can you do? And we are saying Goffin x2, but wasn't Goffin 2-0 against Fedal in that very same event?

Yes, he was, which is why Goffin would have been a more worthy winner. Dimitrov avoided the guys he could not beat whatsoever in 2017.

 

[Hitman]

Yes, he was, which is why Goffin would have been a more worthy winner. Dimitrov avoided the guys he could not beat whatsoever in 2017.

Goffin would have been a worthy winner, yes, no questions, but Dimitrov himself had his best ever year on the tour, with that epic run at AO 2017, and winning Cincinnati.

 

[mike danny]

Goffin would have been a worthy winner, yes, no questions, but Dimitrov himself had his best ever year on the tour, with that epic run at AO 2017, and winning Cincinnati.

True, although Cincy and WTF were very easy draws that the Nishikori and Raonic of 2016 could've won too.

Sometimes I just find some winners worthier than others. Thiem too was worthier of the title in 2019 than Tsitsipas.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

This is specious reasoning. I’d speculate that older players have less in the tank and tend to focus on the bigger events. This is probably more evident at the end of the season when they aren’t as fresh.

 

[Hitman]

True, although Cincy and WTF were very easy draws that the Nishikori and Raonic of 2016 could've won too.

Sometimes I just find some winners worthier than others. Thiem too was worthier of the title in 2019 than Tsitsipas.

There can be worthier winners for sure, but you still need to be coming in with solid form if you want to take the title. You cannot win it with subpar level. Dimitrov's level, while not at the level of a Djokovic or Federer, was still pretty good for that event.