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Polvorin

Professional
So Zverev the guy who's been struggling to get past the first couple rounds for the past 3 months is tough?

Or Sock? LMAO that guy is nowhere near top 10 material only there because half the tour is on life support.

Then there's Cilic who will not be a threat to either Fed or Nadal anyway.

Those guys are not hard opponents at all.
Yes, all three of them have won M1000's on hardcourt. Cilic has a hardcourt slam. Any of them when playing well is at least some kind of threat.

Compare that to... a guy who barely seems to be able to win a match off of clay (Thiem), and Goffin who is a solid player but has no real weapons and hasn't shown himself capable of beating any of the big names.

Dimitrov is some kind of threat to Nadal on this surface (not Federer at all) but he's still 1-10 career h2h.
 
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True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Exactly, I just don't feel like he's up for it right now, and after securing #1, he shouldn't [/QUOTE/] I think he's fine to play but afraid to actually risk it. Nasal isn't done yet. Neither is Fed......watch
damn I messed up but its cool.. Roger can't win them all
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
To put Ferrer in the same breath with Thiem is laughable. When has Ferrer ever challenged Nadal and Djokovic on clay in the manner Thiem did in 2017? It's really not even close. Ferrer has never amassed a clay season as good as Thiem's 2017.:rolleyes:
2013?
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Yes, all three of them have won M1000's on hardcourt. Cilic has a hardcourt slam. Any of them when playing well is at least some kind of threat.

Compare that to... a guy who barely seems to be able to win a match off of clay (Thiem), and Goffin who is a solid player but has no real weapons and hasn't shown himself capable of beating any of the big names. Dimitrov is some kind of threat to Nadal on this surface (not Federer at all) but he's still 1-10 career h2h.
Really. Sock winning a Masters on HC makes him a tough opponent. Come on.

The key words you used there was "when playing well". Zverev maybe but he's been in such s*** form lately that he isn't going to be a worry. Cilic couldn't even get a set against Nadal in Shanghai. So yeah, you say when playing well, reality says they're not playing well. Oh and Sock isn't a threat to either Fed or Nadal even when playing his absolute best.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
So how on earth did Sock get into a breaker in their last match?
10/2017 SF Indian Wells Masters Hard Roger Federer Jack Sock 6-1 7-6(4) 1.30 - 3.50

Sockberger's game is much, much better than it was at IW. And he just won Paris Masters in what should be almost identical conditions to London. Dangerous, dangerous player in London with a new game coming together thanks to Jay Berger.o_O
Meles my buddy, you can stop needlessly hyping up Jack Sock. He's not even a young gun anymore. He's 25 years old. In fact, we should make that a rule on this forum, or a commandment of some sort.

Meles shalt not hype anyone over 25 years of age.
 
Let's put it this way: the quality of the players in the Sampras group is such that Nadal cannot lose 2 matches in his group and that is what matters at first.

Moreover, depending on what happens in the other group he will probably get to decide whether to finish first or second, thus avoiding Federer before the final.

On the other hand Federer can potentially lose to any of his opponents, if any of them catches fire ( the only one in Nadal's group that can do that to Nadal is Dimitrov). All three of Fed's opponents have a game that translates well on the surface/in the conditions with big serves and generally a game that can be aggressive enough, if Federer is not at a high level. All of them are also capable of getting him involved into a TB situations.

It's polluting.
.... said the bot who posted totally unrelated to the thread topic news in the thread for the Murray - Federer exhibition, instead in the thread dedicated to the same news (the birth of Murray's second daughter).

Posting non tennis related news in a tennis related thread isn't polluting. Oh, no!

I really don't believe that you could type those words in reference to anybody other than yourself with a straight face.
Yep.

100% deliberately trolling, even when posting accurate info.

:cool:
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
So how on earth did Sock get into a breaker in their last match?
10/2017 SF Indian Wells Masters Hard Roger Federer Jack Sock 6-1 7-6(4) 1.30 - 3.50

Sockberger's game is much, much better than it was at IW. And he just won Paris Masters in what should be almost identical conditions to London. Dangerous, dangerous player in London with a new game coming together thanks to Jay Berger.o_O
Really? So getting Federer to a tiebreak is proof that Sock is a tough cookie? A lot of guys have pushed Federer to tiebreaks. Even Bautista-Agut.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Ferrer 2013 clay got him up the rankings with a pretty easy draw at RG. He gave Nadal some good matches, but in comparison Thiem destroyed Nadal in their QF in Rome. Zverev probably makes final at RG with this draw.:rolleyes::
F Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 6-3 6-2 6-3 H2H 1.17 - 6.30
SF Clay David Ferrer Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 6-1 7-6 6-2 H2H 1.80 - 2.18
QF Clay David Ferrer Tommy Robredo 6-2 6-1 6-1 H2H 1.08 - 11.00
R16 Clay David Ferrer Kevin Anderson 6-3 6-1 6-1 H2H 1.14 - 7.10
R32 Clay David Ferrer Feliciano Lopez 6-1 7-5 6-4 H2H 1.05 - 16.00
R64 Clay David Ferrer Albert Montanes 6-2 6-1 6-3 H2H 1.06 - 14.00
R128 Clay David Ferrer Marinko Matosevic 6-4 6-3 6-4 H2H 1.03 - 23.00
20 / 2013 Rome Masters
QF Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 6-4 4-6 6-2 H2H 1.15 - 6.70
R16 Clay David Ferrer Philipp Kohlschreiber WO H2H 1.33 - 3.70
R32 Clay David Ferrer Fernando Verdasco 5-7 7-5 6-3 H2H 1.20 - 5.10
18 / 2013 Madrid Masters
QF Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 4-6 7-6(3) 6-0 H2H 1.13 - 7.50
R16 Clay David Ferrer Tommy Haas 7-5 4-6 6-4 H2H 1.50 - 2.83
R32 Clay David Ferrer Denis Istomin 7-5 6-2 H2H 1.08 - 9.50
18 / 2013 Estoril - Oeiras
F Clay Stan Wawrinka David Ferrer 6-1 6-4 H2H 3.35 - 1.40
SF Clay David Ferrer Andreas Seppi 6-1 6-4 H2H 1.18 - 5.88
QF Clay David Ferrer Victor Hanescu 6-4 7-6(2) H2H 1.13 - 7.20
R16 Clay David Ferrer Edouard Roger-Vasselin 6-4 4-6 6-3 H2H 1.06 - 12.00
17 / 2013 Barcelona
R32 Clay Dmitry Tursunov David Ferrer 7-5 3-6 6-1 H2H 18.00 - 1.03
9 / 2013 Acapulco
F Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 6-0 6-2 H2H 1.50 - 2.85
SF Clay David Ferrer Fabio Fognini 6-3 6-7(5) 6-1 H2H 1.06 - 14.00
QF Clay David Ferrer Paolo Lorenzi 6-3 6-1 H2H 1.02 - 26.00
R16 Clay David Ferrer Wayne Odesnik 6-2 6-1 H2H 1.03 - 17.00
R32 Clay David Ferrer Antonio Veic 6-0 6-3 H2H
8 / 2013 Buenos Aires
F Clay David Ferrer Stan Wawrinka 6-4 3-6 6-1 H2H 1.30 - 4.05
SF Clay David Ferrer Tommy Robredo 6-3 6-2 H2H 1.09 - 9.95
QF Clay David Ferrer Fabio Fognini 6-2 6-1 H2H 1.11 - 8.20
R16 Clay David Ferrer David Nalbandian 2-6 6-4 6-0 H2H 1.22 - 4.70
R32 Clay David Ferrer Agustin Velotti 6-4 6-1 H2H 1.01 - 26.00
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Meles my buddy, you can stop needlessly hyping up Jack Sock. He's not even a young gun anymore. He's 25 years old. In fact, we should make that a rule on this forum, or a commandment of some sort.

Meles shalt not hype anyone over 25 years of age.
He was 24 just a month ago, same age as Thiem this year.:p Witness Diego Schwartzman even older breaking out this year. He's 25 years old.:rolleyes:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Ferrer 2013 clay got him up the rankings with a pretty easy draw at RG. He gave Nadal some good matches, but in comparison Thiem destroyed Nadal in their QF in Rome. Zverev probably makes final at RG with this draw.:rolleyes::
F Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 6-3 6-2 6-3 H2H 1.17 - 6.30
SF Clay David Ferrer Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 6-1 7-6 6-2 H2H 1.80 - 2.18
QF Clay David Ferrer Tommy Robredo 6-2 6-1 6-1 H2H 1.08 - 11.00
R16 Clay David Ferrer Kevin Anderson 6-3 6-1 6-1 H2H 1.14 - 7.10
R32 Clay David Ferrer Feliciano Lopez 6-1 7-5 6-4 H2H 1.05 - 16.00
R64 Clay David Ferrer Albert Montanes 6-2 6-1 6-3 H2H 1.06 - 14.00
R128 Clay David Ferrer Marinko Matosevic 6-4 6-3 6-4 H2H 1.03 - 23.00
20 / 2013 Rome Masters
QF Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 6-4 4-6 6-2 H2H 1.15 - 6.70
R16 Clay David Ferrer Philipp Kohlschreiber WO H2H 1.33 - 3.70
R32 Clay David Ferrer Fernando Verdasco 5-7 7-5 6-3 H2H 1.20 - 5.10
18 / 2013 Madrid Masters
QF Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 4-6 7-6(3) 6-0 H2H 1.13 - 7.50
R16 Clay David Ferrer Tommy Haas 7-5 4-6 6-4 H2H 1.50 - 2.83
R32 Clay David Ferrer Denis Istomin 7-5 6-2 H2H 1.08 - 9.50
18 / 2013 Estoril - Oeiras
F Clay Stan Wawrinka David Ferrer 6-1 6-4 H2H 3.35 - 1.40
SF Clay David Ferrer Andreas Seppi 6-1 6-4 H2H 1.18 - 5.88
QF Clay David Ferrer Victor Hanescu 6-4 7-6(2) H2H 1.13 - 7.20
R16 Clay David Ferrer Edouard Roger-Vasselin 6-4 4-6 6-3 H2H 1.06 - 12.00
17 / 2013 Barcelona
R32 Clay Dmitry Tursunov David Ferrer 7-5 3-6 6-1 H2H 18.00 - 1.03
9 / 2013 Acapulco
F Clay Rafael Nadal David Ferrer 6-0 6-2 H2H 1.50 - 2.85
SF Clay David Ferrer Fabio Fognini 6-3 6-7(5) 6-1 H2H 1.06 - 14.00
QF Clay David Ferrer Paolo Lorenzi 6-3 6-1 H2H 1.02 - 26.00
R16 Clay David Ferrer Wayne Odesnik 6-2 6-1 H2H 1.03 - 17.00
R32 Clay David Ferrer Antonio Veic 6-0 6-3 H2H
8 / 2013 Buenos Aires
F Clay David Ferrer Stan Wawrinka 6-4 3-6 6-1 H2H 1.30 - 4.05
SF Clay David Ferrer Tommy Robredo 6-3 6-2 H2H 1.09 - 9.95
QF Clay David Ferrer Fabio Fognini 6-2 6-1 H2H 1.11 - 8.20
R16 Clay David Ferrer David Nalbandian 2-6 6-4 6-0 H2H 1.22 - 4.70
R32 Clay David Ferrer Agustin Velotti 6-4 6-1 H2H 1.01 - 26.00
Zverev doesn't make a GS final with any draw. Sorry to tell you that, mate.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Really? So getting Federer to a tiebreak is proof that Sock is a tough cookie? A lot of guys have pushed Federer to tiebreaks. Even Bautista-Agut.
RBA = tough cookieo_O Sock with RBA's intensity would be no joke. Sock's playing much, much smarter and one would assume Jay Berger finally has him on track. Sock at 2016 Auckland was pretty amazing on serve. All of his massive kickers on first and second serve at their very best. The forehand absolutely cleaning up. He's much smarter under Berger with his game management. If it all comes together at WTF he could be the one to break down the Federer backhand. This is not the same old Sock we typically see. The Sick Sack of Sock Suck may be unleashed on WTF.:p
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Zverev doesn't make a GS final with any draw. Sorry to tell you that, mate.
That was a joke of a draw which was my point, even Zverev probably in final with that draw; start making a line. Thiem would have walked through that draw to the SF with Tsonga, but that match might have been rough as Claybots are Thiem's achilles heel.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Exactly, I just don't feel like he's up for it right now, and after securing #1, he shouldn't push it.
But that's why I feel like he must feel in good shape and be happy with his game. He probably figures Federer is his only real obstacle, but I doubt he'd take part if the knee was bothering him
 

Shank Volley

Hall of Fame
He was 24 just a month ago, same age as Thiem this year.:p Witness Diego Schwartzman even older breaking out this year. He's 25 years old.:rolleyes:
When was this break out by Diego Schwartzman? Did I miss it? Is breaking out these days really just having some consistent results?
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
He says he is. Some inconsistent info coming from Nadal camp regarding the knee - first the doctor said they’ll start testing it come Wednesday and see how it goes, now both Moya and Rafa say he’ll play as the knee is ok. What a difference a draw makes!

My guess is that Rafa saw the draw and figured he can win 2 or 3 matches even not at 100%, and just maybe someone does the dirty work for him and eliminates Roger. We’ll see how confident he is in winning the WTF right before the matches. If he is wearing knee support, he doesn’t think he’ll win it and is just there for some easy points. If not, he might even think he has a good chance. But I bet my bottom dollar if Rafa plays Roger that thing is going to be on the knee so he can remain ‘undefeated when healthy’.
there's a conspiracy around every block :)

ever think he, or any pro, always wants to play, especially the big events?...and the top players, in particularly the top two have some unique responsibilities to the event and the sport as a whole?...it's amazing how small some here can make the sport

in all that sleuthing you leave out the top, and really only line of thinking that's most likely in his head...is my knee healthy enough to compete effectively for 5 matches, and what are the chances I can make it much worse?
 
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Polvorin

Professional
Really. Sock winning a Masters on HC makes him a tough opponent. Come on.

The key words you used there was "when playing well". Zverev maybe but he's been in such s*** form lately that he isn't going to be a worry. Cilic couldn't even get a set against Nadal in Shanghai. So yeah, you say when playing well, reality says they're not playing well. Oh and Sock isn't a threat to either Fed or Nadal even when playing his absolute best.
Sock is in form and a more dangerous opponent on this court than anyone in Nadal's group with the possible exception of Dimitrov... who has proven to have the game to compete with the best but not the belief.

Acting as if a 5-7 6-7(3) Cilic Nadal semi wasn't competitive is just silly.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Sock is in form and a more dangerous opponent on this court than anyone in Nadal's group with the possible exception of Dimitrov... who has proven to have the game to compete with the best but not the belief.

Acting as if a 5-7 6-7(3) Cilic Nadal semi wasn't competitive is just silly.
Didn't say it wasn't competitive. Making assumptions is what is silly. It was definitely competitive but the fact remains Cilic couldn't win a set.

Sock isn't a danger to anyone. I'll be surprised if he wins a match.
 

timnz

Legend
All three players in Fed's group are more of a threat than any of the three in Nadal's.

Nadal on one leg might legitimately make it through that group.

Still expect the maestro to come through though... he's still the best in fast conditions, of course.
Is it fast? That is the question.
 
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