WTF shoukd be bo5 sets from semis

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Fully agree on this.

Also slightly off topic but did we ever find out why their speeches were cut short? I mean imagine if it was B05, would broadcasters have asked that they cut away halfway through a 4th set?!
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Fully agree on this.

Also slightly off topic but did we ever find out why their speeches were cut short? I mean imagine if it was B05, would broadcasters have asked that they cut away halfway through a 4th set?!
It was very disrespectful. I felt for Thiem and Medvedev who were shocked and looking at each other. The woman who did the interviews was shocking all week and totally out of her depth. Her questions were awful most of the time and she did not seem to be listening to the answers.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
They're already tired enough by the end of the year as it is. MAYBE the final, but I think it's fine how it is. The game is as physical as ever.
Eh how is that any different from the slams? I'm sure everyone is tired after RG and then going to Wimbledon 2 weeks later but that's the calendar. To be the best you have to be the fittest. If you can't win then it's not for you, that's what the ATP have shown for years with their B05 format?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Eh how is that any different from the slams? I'm sure everyone is tired after RG and then going to Wimbledon 2 weeks later but that's the calendar. To be the best you have to be the fittest. If you can't win then it's not for you, that's what the ATP have shown for years with their B05 format?
It's just not necessary imo man, they play enough as it is and get like 6 weeks off all year for the off season. If tennis players were robots I'd be all for it. Thiem, Djokovic, Medvedev and Nadal were all quite gassed enough as it is.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Eh how is that any different from the slams? I'm sure everyone is tired after RG and then going to Wimbledon 2 weeks later but that's the calendar. To be the best you have to be the fittest. If you can't win then it's not for you, that's what the ATP have shown for years with their B05 format?
How? Playing 5 matches in 7 days against the Top8? Lol?
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
It's just not necessary imo man, they play enough as it is and get like 6 weeks off all year for the off season. If tennis players were robots I'd be all for it.
Isn't that what they have seemed to be for the last 15 years? I mean think about it, Nadal playing and winning a grueling slam final for over 4 hours. AFTER playing 6 matches in the lead up to it? Including a record breaking 5 hours and 14 minute SF against Verdasco at the 2009 AO, then plays 4 hours and 23 minutes in the final?

Over 9 hours in a matter of 3 days or so? Robotic.

And that is not the only example of strangely long matches and longevity.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
How? Playing 5 matches in 7 days against the Top8? Lol?
In B03 yeah. Dispatch those low ranked players early on who managed to scrape their way to the ATP Finals like Schwartzman or in years gone past Jack Sock and Carreno Busta? Then just play 2 good matches in the SF and Final and win? Not bad. Look at Dimitrov in 2017, didn't even have to face any big tough guys.

Beats then #10 Carreno Busta, #4 Thiem and #8 Goffin in the RR and then #9 Sock and #8 Goffin to win the title. Hardly anything extraordinary right?
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
In B03 yeah. Dispatch those low ranked players early on who managed to scrape their way to the ATP Finals like Schwartzman or in years gone past Jack Sock and Carreno Busta? Then just play 2 good matches in the SF and Final and win? Not bad. Look at Dimitrov in 2017, didn't even have to face any big tough guys.

Beats then #10 Carreno Busta, #4 Thiem and #8 Goffin in the RR and then #9 Sock and #8 Goffin to win the title. Hardly anything extraordinary right?
How is that different from a couple of slams? They are people that won a couple of GS titles without facing anyone from the Top10.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Given how close the semis and final were this year it feels not satisfying the matches were bo3. Like the matches finished half way through.
It is likely all 3 would have been 5 set thrillers.
Top 4 in an end of season championship really should be best of 5.
This year where players are well rested it could have worked well, but often a bunch of players arrive to WTF running on fumes

For the record, the format you're proposing (best of 3 round robin, best of 5 semis+final) was used in 1972 and 1974-1976
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
B05 v B03 as so many have told me over the years.
Look how gassed out both Nadal and Djokovic were at the WTF, despite not playing for 6 months.

BO3 can me more taxing to the body than BO5 if you play only against high ranked players. BO5 is usually a training week followed by 3 harder matches in the 2nd week.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Nah. Maybe final, if SF and F are not on consecutive days.
Why not. Make it a 10 day tournament with the Friday start in the week before. ATP is planning to expand the current 9 Masters to two weeks joint ATP/WTA events anyway, so why not make the most of the ATP Finals which is the biggest tournament on the ATP tour, their jewel in the ATP calendar!? It's doable. ;)
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Look how gassed out both Nadal and Djokovic were at the WTF, despite not playing for 6 months.

BO3 can me more taxing to the body than BO5 if you play only against high ranked players. BO5 is usually a training week followed by 3 harder matches in the 2nd week.
Gassed? Or not prepared? Or were willing to lose as opposed to fighting at a slam? Let's not pretend the WTF is the same as a slam now.

Is the solution to make this a 2 week tournament, then they'd be ok?
 

Thetouch

Professional
At least the final should be Bo5 like it used to be. That's why I haven't watched any final for like 15 years.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Gassed? Or not prepared? Or were willing to lose as opposed to fighting at a slam? Let's not pretend the WTF is the same as a slam now.

Is the solution to make this a 2 week tournament, then they'd be ok?
Make the final BO5.

WTF is the 5th most important tournament in tennis. Having 4-6 of those is a big achievement.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Why not. Make it a 10 day tournament with the Friday start in the week before. ATP is planning to expand the current 9 Masters to two weeks joint ATP/WTA events anyway, so why not make the most of the ATP Finals which is the biggest tournament on the ATP tour, their jewel in the ATP calendar!? It's doable. ;)
Possibly. Albeit, it's the end of the season and players are tired. SF and F being BO5 is enough imo, if both are given full day rest between each. In this current setup, group that plays first is at advantage , when it comes to rest.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
IMO the final of ALL the big events should be in Bo5 format. Until 2007, this was the case. After that it was only Slams, Davis Cup and the Olympic final. As of now, it is only Slams and there are well attested moves from certain quarters to reduce even Slams to Bo3 which would be a sacrilege but I fear this is where the trend will end up. :(
 

TimHenmanATG

Professional
The tournament doesn't need to do anything.

It's still just an exo tournament where the "last man standing after 11 months of the ATP tour" triumphs.

It probably was a decent tournament, a couple of decades ago, before people realised that tennis is not based on a "gladiatorial" concept.
 

blablavla

Legend
Why not. Make it a 10 day tournament with the Friday start in the week before. ATP is planning to expand the current 9 Masters to two weeks joint ATP/WTA events anyway, so why not make the most of the ATP Finals which is the biggest tournament on the ATP tour, their jewel in the ATP calendar!? It's doable. ;)
can they expand as well the calendar year from 12 to 13 or even ideally 14 months?
or say from 52 weeks to 56-60 calendar weeks?
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Given how close the semis and final were this year it feels not satisfying the matches were bo3. Like the matches finished half way through.
It is likely all 3 would have been 5 set thrillers.
Top 4 in an end of season championship really should be best of 5.
You really think Thiem/Medvedev in the final would've been a 5 set thriller the very next day after the both of them have played 5 set thrillers in the semis? Both of them would've been completely dead for the final. :-D
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
The tournament doesn't need to do anything.

It's still just an exo tournament where the "last man standing after 11 months of the ATP tour" triumphs.

It probably was a decent tournament, a couple of decades ago, before people realised that tennis is not based on a "gladiatorial" concept.
That's still SOME exho though. Can't think of any other tournament where only the 8 best players of the season take part! :cool:
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
You really think Thiem/Medvedev in the final would've been a 5 set thriller the very next day after the both of them have played 5 set thrillers in the semis? Both of them would've been completely dead for the final. :-D
No as i think in bo5 Nadal and Djokovic would have won their semis. There is a reason the next gen keep flattering to deceive. Bo5 is a different game really. Mindset is different and so far next gen seem unable to deal eith bo5
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
No as i think in bo5 Nadal and Djokovic would have won their semis. There is a reason the next gen keep flattering to deceive. Bo5 is a different game really. Mindset is different and so far next gen seem unable to deal eith bo5
Oh ok. I guess Thiem beating Nadal at the Australian Open this year in 4 sets never happened? Nor did Thiem beating Djokovic at the French Open twice?
Or Medvedev pushing Nadal to 5 sets at the USO last year and having MPs in their match at last year's WTF round robin? Let's be more respectful to the Fearsome Four.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Oh ok. I guess Thiem beating Nadal at the Australian Open this year in 4 sets never happened? Nor did Thiem beating Djokovic at the French Open twice?
Or Medvedev pushing Nadal to 5 sets at the USO last year and having MPs in their match at last year's WTF round robin? Let's be more respectful to the Fearsome Four.
Medvedev has never won a 5 set match. Thiem is 27 so hardly next Gen and australia was a QF. Less pressure. SF and F Nadal wins that match.
Beating Djokovic at FO is not the achievement it once was. Nadal will always beat him easily at FO nowadays, but Thiem will beat Djokovic at FO every time and even Wawrinka if on form would.
I have no issue with the young players. All are lovely guys. I want them to succeed. But i do feel they are a bit soft mentally. Like much of their generation. So while i think they are wonderful players i still think in a SF or F v Nadal Djokovic or even 40 yr old Federer they would find a way to lose through nerves.
I am not being disrespectful as i like them. My point is a general mentality one that can be levelled at that entire generation on the planet.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
Best of 5 semi finals and finals makes sense and for me would make the event even more prestigious. But making the RR matches best of 5 would not work. They'd be too tired to perform to the best of their abilities in the following rounds.
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
I think they should make the final Best of 5 like the old Masters tournaments. It is the last match of the season and will make it more of an event.

I also think they should rotate it between indoor hard in Europe, outdoor clay in South America (where it will be Spring) and outdoor hard in South Asia (where it is still hot - Singapore, South China etc.) or California/Florida.
 

brc444

Rookie
Any possible switch to best of 5 finals needs to consider appropriate time before it and tournament scheduling after it. I think having WTF on indoor hard makes the most sense because it’s the culmination of fall indoor hard court season.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
This is a ludicrous suggestion in terms of turn-around recovery time for players. Four marathons a year are more than enough.
 
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