WTF title: One Glaring Big Hole in Nadal's career

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
You're not following this at all.

I'm saying Nadal's failures indoors matters when talking about being the greatest of all-time because all-time in tennis includes a lot of important very indoor events.
But indoors is not a surface.

it matters for Federer fans only.
 

fundrazer

Legend
Was waiting for you to bring up "Fed fans", you're so basic.

It matters for people that actual care about tennis history, evidently you don't...
For real. Some of the highest level tennis you'll ever see happens at the indoor events. Watching the pure ballstrikers playing indoors has always been a treat. Unfortunately now we don't really see the same level of clean hitting.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
You explained what the IOC does, and even then couldn't explain why they give two medals. You didn't explain why a player is deserving of as you put it "half a medal". The truth is that you don't even understand that OG is a nations competition, that is why in "counting" medals they award the achievement to the country, irrespective of who the athlete is/how many of them are. That is why they give medals for all who participate in the competition and won 1-3rd place, but count it as one.

:cool:
So why are 2, 3 or 4 team medals not counted as 2,3 or 4 for their country? :cool:
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
For real. Some of the highest level tennis you'll ever see happens at the indoor events. Watching the pure ballstrikers playing indoors has always been a treat. Unfortunately now we don't really see the same level of clean hitting.
Yeah. GOA will try and make it about Fed fans and Nadal fans because that's how her brain is wired but I've spent tons of time in the former pro section discussion pre-open tennis - my respect for past tennis is entirely separate from my like of Federer.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
So why are 2, 3 or 4 team medals not counted as 2,3 or 4 for their country? :cool:
The answer is in the post you quoted: the achievement is counted as one for the competition. It says absolutely nothing about the specific weight of the achievement, as it is impossible to quantify the role of the individual athletes. It is considered that each of them is irreplaceable, that is why their unique role is awarded with a separate medal. For the IOC, however, that is an achievement of the country and counts as one. IOC is not interested in distinguishing between any specific weight that the achievement might have outside of that national representation, which is why a Gold medal in 100 m. Sprint has absolutely the same significance as the Gold medal in football, regardless of the fact that there are about 5 tiers above the Gold medal in football within the World football as opposed none above the Gold medal for 100 m Sprint.

:cool:
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Well if you care so much about what the ATP think they certainly care about their tour finals, they award the winner up to 1500 pts...

Its honestly ridiculous to me that anyone would say who cares about pre open tennis, without those guys who knows where we'd be today. I figured you'd have a bit more respect but I guess you don't give an f about anything that doesn't favour Rafa :unsure:
You don't seem to understand how the free Scandinavian spirit works: you are allowed to twist and scramble making all sorts of asinine statements, and if someone makes a point about it being BS, you can refer to your freedom and how those that contradict your opinion are oppressing you (for convenience it can be a whole fanbase, but individuals are not spared too) or alternatively are too serious and all is a bit of fun and nothing really matters. Instrumental part of the "freedom" there seem to be make up things that suit you 100%, regardless of the realities. Superior human beings and all.

:cool:
 
There is no "indoors" surface. The surface is hardcourt. Nadal has already won 5 HC slams, he doesn't need to prove anything on a non-slam HC event. Does clay become a different surface if it is played indoors? Ridiculous.
Indoor and outdoor conditions play quite differently. It's perfectly reasonable, helpful even, to separate indoor and outdoor hardcourt, and the same could be done with clay and grass if there was a tradition of indoor clay/grass tournaments. However, there isn't; there's only what, one or two small indoor clay tournaments, and none on indoor grass, only playing indoor in case of rain (roof).
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Let's calm down for a second and consider the following: all the Majors are now with a covered main court or will be very soon, so all the indoor credentials will play an even bigger role.

8-B
 
Indeed, it's quite disheartening how the indoor season dwindled in this century, so much that Paris is now the leftover masters. Used to be epic until about 2004 (godbandian 2007 was legendary but didn't inspire a revival, sadly enough). Gotta say Fedr contributed to it by largely neglecting Paris in 2004-09.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
What? I don't know wbere you get that idea? Unless you are being "Ageist" which seems to be becoming more prevalent these days.

I'm simply pointing out that "I was there" and you weren't. Also pointing out that Statistics back up what I have witnessed first hand. You might be surprised to know that watching 50 year old videos on youtube don't always convey what was really happening back then.

Oh and another thing. I wish you a long and healthy life so in your elderly years you get to experience what it feels like to hear a 25yo tell you with certainty that he knows a lot more about the early 2000s than you do.

Cheers :)
You are the one kept bringing up your age, not me. I have no clue what the ages of most users are. You kept "boasting" that you were old enough to marry Court... Experience is a double-edged sword, it can lead to wisdom or over-confidence and lack of flexibility in adapting to changing conditions.

I never watch tennis on YT. Not whole matches. Highlights rarely interest me.

You "being there" is a hilarious argument. Millions of people "were there" 500 years ago when everyone thought the Earth was flat... Being there means little when delusion and ignorance are at play...
 
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TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
European nationalism is on the rise, as a result of EU Left drilling no

You are the one kept bringing up your age, not me. I have no clue what the ages of most users are. You kept "boasting" that you were old enough to marry Court... Experience is a double-edged sword, it can lead to wisdom or over-confidence and lack of flexibility in adapting to changing conditions.

I never watch tennis on YT. Not whole matches. Highlights rarely interest me.

You "being there" is a hilarious argument. Millions of people "were there" 500 years ago when everyone thought the Earth was flat... Being there means little when delusion and ignorance are at play...
Europeans are more nationalists than Americans before this new right wing trend. Lefties are nationalists too. Italy probably the most nationalist country I know of. They are without even really knowing they are. It’s just a part of culture. Same over here. We celebrate national day with no shame, 4th July is like a sneeze compared to the way we are doing it. But it’s not about everybody else is stupid kind of thing. Nationalism can be something good for a country. Got nothing to do with race.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Europeans are more nationalists than Americans before this new right wing trend. Lefties are nationalists too. Italy probably the most nationalist country I know of. They are without even really knowing they are. It’s just a part of culture. Same over here. We celebrate national day with no shame, 4th July is like a sneeze compared to the way we are doing it. But it’s not about everybody else is stupid kind of thing. Nationalism can be something good for a country. Got nothing to do with race.
You quoted an error post of mine, that wasn't a full reply and the rest was addressed to someone else... I have no idea how it was even posted.

I hate my computer...

I fixed it. (The post I mean...)
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Read up tennis history. It is educational.

I always hoped there would be TTWers twice my age.

It's a great feeling. I feel so young suddenly.

And even smarter...
You are clearly going down the nostalgia road.
OK, so you have just admitted that you consider yourself top expert of TTW on account of your advanced age...

That is foolish enough as it is.
Experience is a double-edged sword, it can lead to wisdom or over-confidence and lack of flexibility in adapting to changing conditions.

Being there means little when delusion and ignorance are at play...
I already told you that nostalgia isn't a guiding light, it is a subjective delusion that leads to bizarre conclusions. A 25 year-old kid could potentially out-argue you at anything, including tennis history. If age worked the way you believe it does then people wouldn't retire at 60-70 but would be making the most money at that age and would be in demand much more than 30somethings for example...
You kept "boasting" that you were old enough to marry Court...
Of course you aren't being "Ageist"! :unsure:
 
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