WTF World Tour Finals Draw

GasquetGOAT said:
Question is, can Verdasco win one match? Everyone seem to think Soderling has plenty of chance yet Verdasco is ranked higher.
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Imo Soderling is definetely a better all court player than Verdasco and he is also in a slightly easier group (for him) maybe not overall.
 
GasquetGOAT said:
Question is, can Verdasco win one match? Everyone seem to think Soderling has plenty of chance yet Verdasco is ranked higher.
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Depends on his form, Verdasco can give anyone problems when he's playing well. Same with Soderling.
This year the "fear factor" of playing against Nadal isn't that great, same goes with Federer.
 
After seeing the groups, it's hard for me to see Nadal being able to make it out of the group and make it to #1. I can definitely see Djokovic going through the group undefeated, if he keeps his recent form and isn't burned out from Paris.

The fact is, Rafa isn't a solid favorite against anyone in the group, at least based on recent form. Sure he had a good match vs Tsonga in Paris, but besides that he's been borderline terrible since the USO. Hard for me to see him whipping into shape at this time of the year. I think Rafa's just trying to preserve himself to defend his AO title next year, TBH.

I see Fed being able to get through the group. The only guy that has a shot at beating him is Murray. Verdasco's a choker - even if he gets close he'll lose somehow. JMDP would be a challenge, but in his injured form its questionable if he'll even be around to face Fed. So I definitely see Federer, if he brings his game, being able to make it through the group.

BTW, what's with the pics? Is TT finally turning into MTF...:(
 
B group has me really intrigued (and it looks stacked to me.) I don't really see Nadal etching a win over anyone in that group, but other than that, I think it is almost a complete toss up on which two survive RR, with Djokovic and Denko having a bit more chance that Soderling, but not enough label Soderling out yet.
 
aphex said:
i expect federer and murray to go through group A.

i expect djoko and soderling to go through group B with nadal accumulating 3 losses.
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Same here! Nadal squandering in 3 loses. Only thing is I don't think Murray is going to get to the Semi's for some reason.
 
Cesc Fabregas said:
I think Rafa will beat Davydenko and Soderling whilst losing to Djokovic, but going through.
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I'd take that if Federer wins all three of his rubbers. Would like the Federer-Nadal semifinal. It's been a while since they met on a hardcourt. Just once since TMC 2007 and AO is really a whole different surface than this one.
 
batz said:
Can't believe the number of people tipping Murray to win all 3. He was OK in Valencia and quite pants in Paris - I don't think he's got the form to win all 3.

Roger 3 wins
Murray 2 wins
JMDP 1 win
Verdasco nada

Novak 3 wins
Rafa 1 wins
Davy 1 win
RobSod 1 win
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Murray's playing on home turf, i do expect him to win all three.
 
Bad group for Rafa! He could have gotten out of this group with a tired DelPo and "bend over" Verdasco. But no way he's beating any of these piggy roasters.
 
MuseFan said:
Bad group for Rafa! He could have gotten out of this group with a tired DelPo and "bend over" Verdasco. But no way he's beating any of these piggy roasters.
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Djokovic might be feeling flat for a match or two so if Nadal can get him early in matches 1 or 2 of the RR stage Nadal might be really up for revenge and do it. Don't know what form Davydenko is in. How's his record against Nadal? Soderling has the right mentality and game for Nadal, question mark is whether he can bring his A game. If so he'll beat Nadal imo.
 
vanity said:
The WTF is being played on the same court as Shanghai. And look what happened when they last met there...
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Yeah, what happened- Nadal was very close to winning the first set, Davydenko was playing much better than he has since (1st round loss in Moscow? semi-final loss to Youzhny in Valencia? 3rd Round in Paris?) and Nadal is playing better (beating Tsonga, for example).

There's no guarantee that Davydenko can reproduce his results from Shanghai again in London.
 
Bud said:
If Rafa shows up playing the way he played against Tsonga in Paris, he'll definitely get out of his group.

If not, I don't see him with more than 1 win.
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Who do you expect him to beat?
 
Realistically, Nadal won't be able to get even 1 win. If he doesn manage a win, the person he could beat is Davydenko. No way will he beat Soderling on his favorite surface.
 
Blinkism said:
Yeah, what happened- Nadal was very close to winning the first set, Davydenko was playing much better than he has since (1st round loss in Moscow? semi-final loss to Youzhny in Valencia? 3rd Round in Paris?) and Nadal is playing better (beating Tsonga, for example).

There's no guarantee that Davydenko can reproduce his results from Shanghai again in London.
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Given the fact that Davy's been victorious the last 3 times they played on HC (Miami, Paris 08, Shanghai 09), Davy's definitely the favorite in their matchup.
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Breaking news: Nadal is far from the player today as he was 2006
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Yeah, you're right.

He's actually having a much better late HC season than he did in 2006.

Mind you, in 2006- after Wimbledon, Nadal was also getting beatdowns..

Berdych in Toronto, Ferrero in Cincannati, Youzhny at the USO, Johansson in Stockholm, Berdych again in Madrid, Blake again at the YEC.

Sounding similar to this year?

And he still made it past the group stage by beating Davydenko in 2006, despite actually playing worse.
 
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Blinkism said:
Yeah, you're right.

He's actually having a much better late HC season than he did in 2006.

Mind you, in 2006- after Wimbledon, Nadal was also getting beatdowns..

Berdych in Toronto, Ferrero in Cincannati, Youzhny at the USO, Johansson in Stockholm, Berdych again in Madrid, Blake again at the YEC.

Sounding similar to this year?

And he still made it past the group stage by beating Davydenko in 2006, despite actually playing worse.
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Well we can discuss this into eternity.
The thing is, if Nadal plays like he did at Bercy vs Almagro/Chokebredo he will not win a set this year at the YEC
 
vanity said:
Nothing more to add really.

Oh, and Tsonga was playing terrible. UE machine in that match.
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Agree, he sprayed his shots all over Paris that night.
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Lol! Not true. Look at the match stats :oops:

This is typical Tsonga... lots of winners lots of errors.

Rafa 28 winners, 8 UE's

Rafa +20 (winners - errors)
Tsonga +0 (winners - errors)

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Bud said:
Lol! Not true. Look at the match stats :oops:

This is typical Tsonga... lots of winners lots of errors.

Rafa 28 winners, 8 UE's

Rafa +20 (winners -errors)
Tsonga +0 (winners-errors)

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No. In his previous rounds he wasn't hitting forehands out of the tram lines.
 
vanity said:
No. In his previous rounds he was hitting forehands out of the tram lines.
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We're not talking his previous round.

In Nadal's previous rounds in one, his opponent served for the match and the other he saved 5 match points.
 
guess Nadal's group is a nightmare one for him .. he would have been very happy if he swapped places with Federer

wud definitely beat verdasco, murray , tired delpo

However if the "real" Nadal comes out fighting for no. 1 ranking at least with paris tsonga level of play ... i would still expect him to scrape through to SF
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Is that why he has done so horrible since winning USO?
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Delpo has been enjoying himself. they do that you know. After Nalby won the Masters final, he gained 30 lbs,,,and really enjoyed his win and good fortunes. but now Delpo is back with Vengence to take down Federer once again..............:)
 
Toughest possible group for Rafa. The only real chance of a win is in his match with davydenko,remember,he had SP while playing pusher against the russian so if he raises his level,who knows. But realistically,he isn't the favourite on this surface against soderling(hell,even 2008 Nadal isn't favourite on indoor against a good indoor player like the swede). I don't expect him to win against Djoker considering he only got 10 games in the last 2 matches with the serb and his recent form isn't giving us Nadal fans much hope.

He could probably grab one win but my guess is that,with his attitude of late(another week,another beating),he'll play it safe,gather 3 defeats and try to stay healthy and focused for DC final,the only real chance he has at a trophy this year. Something tells me that it is more important for Nadal right now to win something than to potentially get his nr.1 back. Since there is a much greater chance for him to win DC than WTF,I'm guessing he will focus on that.
 
Lotto said:
Anyone? ...know which group will start??? Praying that Roger's group will be playing Monday.
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My theory is that Roger will play the evening match on Sunday - because BBC are only covering 1 match live before the semis; this Sunday afternoon. I'm guessing that 1 live match during the 1st week might just be the British number 1.

That said, Blinkism has pointed out that the guys in the '2nd group' have started 1st these last 2 years.

The short answer is no. I'm just speculating.
 
batz said:
My theory is that Roger will play the evening match on Sunday - because BBC are only covering 1 match live before the semis; this Sunday afternoon. I'm guessing that 1 live match during the 1st week might just be the British number 1.

That said, Blinkism has pointed out that the guys in the '2nd group' have started 1st these last 2 years.

The short answer is no. I'm just speculating.
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I cant see BBC missing out on Murray :shock:
 
namelessone said:
Toughest possible group for Rafa. The only real chance of a win is in his match with davydenko,remember,he had SP while playing pusher against the russian so if he raises his level,who knows. But realistically,he isn't the favourite on this surface against soderling(hell,even 2008 Nadal isn't favourite on indoor against a good indoor player like the swede). I don't expect him to win against Djoker considering he only got 10 games in the last 2 matches with the serb and his recent form isn't giving us Nadal fans much hope.

He could probably grab one win but my guess is that,with his attitude of late(another week,another beating),he'll play it safe,gather 3 defeats and try to stay healthy and focused for DC final,the only real chance he has at a trophy this year. Something tells me that it is more important for Nadal right now to win something than to potentially get his nr.1 back. Since there is a much greater chance for him to win DC than WTF,I'm guessing he will focus on that.
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IMO Nadal's still the favourite over Soderling on any surface.He also has a shot against Kolja as their last match was relatively tight(as you said,he had a SP).The only match I'm pretty sure he'll lose is against Novak who really seems to be making quick work of Nadal in their last few HC meetings.
 
batz said:
My theory is that Roger will play the evening match on Sunday - because BBC are only covering 1 match live before the semis; this Sunday afternoon. I'm guessing that 1 live match during the 1st week might just be the British number 1.

That said, Blinkism has pointed out that the guys in the '2nd group' have started 1st these last 2 years.

The short answer is no. I'm just speculating.
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Last 3 years, actually (first match of 2006 YEC was Nadal v. Davydenko, actually).

But it could be a coincidence. I have no "leads" or "inside" info into what they're doing this year.

Any news from the BBC or ATP site, yet?
 
On paper, this is the toughest draw for Nadal. Djokovic, Davydenko and Soderling are all without injuries and in good form.

But he has a chance to come through, although it will depend more on his opponents than on him. Let's wait and see how Soderlingovicenko responds to the challenge of beating Rafa in an event that is more important than Masters.
 
Television Broadcasters In United Kingdom

Sunday, 22 November, 2009
Sky Sports Xtra 12:00 p.m. - 2:00 p.m. LIVE
BBC 2 2:00 p.m. - 5:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 3 2:00 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 1 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Monday, 23 November, 2009
Sky Sports 1 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 2 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Tuesday, 24 November, 2009
Sky Sports 1 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 3 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Wednesday, 25 November, 2009
Sky Sports 2 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 3 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Thursday, 26 November, 2009
Sky Sports 1 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 1 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Friday, 27 November, 2009
Sky Sports 2 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 2 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Saturday, 28 November, 2009
Sky Sports 2 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
BBC 2 2:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. LIVE
Sky Sports 2 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. LIVE

Sunday, 29 November, 2009
Sky Sports 3 12:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. LIVE
BBC 2 2:00 - 5:30 LIVE
 
batz said:
My theory is that Roger will play the evening match on Sunday - because BBC are only covering 1 match live before the semis; this Sunday afternoon. I'm guessing that 1 live match during the 1st week might just be the British number 1.

That said, Blinkism has pointed out that the guys in the '2nd group' have started 1st these last 2 years.

The short answer is no. I'm just speculating.
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Ah, ok.


When will the schedule be out does anybody know?
 
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