WWW : Federer vs Djokovic in the Wimbledon 2011 semifinal ?

Who reaches the 2011 Wimbledon final if Tsonga didn't stop Federer in QF ?

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TsitsiBH

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Federer was playing very well in Wimbledon that year (Tsonga just went in total god mode to defeat him) and he recently defeated Djokovic in RG.

However Djokovic was still in the form of his life with just 1 loss in the past 8 months so I don't really know. And if Federer did beat Djokovic in semis, does he beat Nadal in the final ?
 
Nadal wins Wimbledon or Djokovic wins.

Because Fed is losing to Nadal if he gets past Djokovic.
 
TsitsiBH said:
Federer was playing very well in Wimbledon that year (Tsonga just went in total god mode to defeat him) and he recently defeated Djokovic in RG.

However Djokovic was still in the form of his life with just 1 loss in the past 8 months so I don't really know. And if Federer did beat Djokovic in semis, does he beat Nadal in the final ?
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If he couldn't manage to go past Tsonga, he couldn't go past Novak either...
Way too many hypothetical matches on this boards, especially unnecessary when it comes to 2011 Novak.
 
I think Djokovic in 5 because Fed is likely to not serve as well even if slightly as in the RG 11 SF and that's all it takes.

But it's grass so it not a confident bet. And it was right after RG
 
TsitsiBH said:
Federer was playing very well in Wimbledon that year (Tsonga just went in total god mode to defeat him) and he recently defeated Djokovic in RG.

However Djokovic was still in the form of his life with just 1 loss in the past 8 months so I don't really know. And if Federer did beat Djokovic in semis, does he beat Nadal in the final ?
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Federer played 3 crappy sets. Tsonga was great but not that great. He just had to keep a high percentage of 1st serve, target Fed's backhand and the swiss self-destructed, much like against Anderson in 2018.
Obviously Fedovic matches in Wimbledon have always been close so I doubt this one would've been different. But Djokovic wins in 4 or 5, no chance Federer wins this one.
 
Don’t underestimate the aura of playing Federer for the first time on grass. By relative level I felt Djokovic was better in Wim 11 but Fed actually did a great job of elevating his game especially in the early stages vs Novak in the 2011-12 period.

You saw how much Nole struggled to keep up with Federer’s blocked back returns and devilish slice slice slice on the low bouncing grass in 2012. He simply had no frame of reference for playing a talent like that with a classical grass game.

Obviously impossible to say but I lean Roger. Definitely a toss up match, no chance you can say one of them wins “easily”
 
Kralingen said:
Don’t underestimate the aura of playing Federer for the first time on grass. By relative level I felt Djokovic was better in Wim 11 but Fed actually did a great job of elevating his game especially in the early stages vs Novak in the 2011-12 period.

You saw how much Nole struggled to keep up with Federer’s blocked back returns and devilish slice slice slice on the low bouncing grass in 2012. He simply had no frame of reference for playing a talent like that with a classical grass game.

Obviously impossible to say but I lean Roger. Definitely a toss up match, no chance you can say one of them wins “easily”
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Djokovic's aggressive style that year sort of played into Fed's hands. Because Fed is better at attacking tennis
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
Federer played 3 crappy sets. Tsonga was great but not that great. He just had to keep a high percentage of 1st serve, target Fed's backhand and the swiss self-destructed, much like against Anderson in 2018.
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I am not convinced you watched this match if you’re seriously comparing it to Anderson in 2018. In terms of scoreline yes, in terms of level of play, no.
Lauren_Girl' said:
Obviously Fedovic matches in Wimbledon have always been close so I doubt this one would've been different. But Djokovic wins in 4 or 5, no chance Federer wins this one.
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So if there’s no chance Federer wins, can you please explain how Federer beat Djokovic handily in 2012 then? Remember that Novak had just beaten Federer in straights at RG 2012 and had all the momentum coming in, so you can’t use the form excuse.
 
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TsitsiBH said:
Federer was playing very well in Wimbledon that year (Tsonga just went in total god mode to defeat him) and he recently defeated Djokovic in RG.

However Djokovic was still in the form of his life with just 1 loss in the past 8 months so I don't really know. And if Federer did beat Djokovic in semis, does he beat Nadal in the final ?
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Nadal in 3
 
Biotic said:
You mean the guy who Djokovic defeated in 4 sets? I mean yeah, but why do these guys beat Fedal and then easily roll over for Djoko? Why, oh why?
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First Serve % was a lot lower in the SF sadly - plus Novak was godly at points in that SF.

I also said that Djokovic was playing at a higher relative level in 2011 btw so I'm not disagreeing with you.

Just that there are a lot of matchup advantages Federer has over Djokovic on grass. Surely you can admit that -- otherwise, how would 33 and 38 year old Fed take a much younger Djokovic to 5 sets there?
 
and has MPs at the USO...

H2H between them was 4:1 in 2011, no brainer about Novak's form. Beside that, I was feeling kind of down today, nice of you to remind me about 40:15, I'll watch it again in your name, thanks bro...
 
TsitsiBH said:
Federer was playing very well in Wimbledon that year (Tsonga just went in total god mode to defeat him) and he recently defeated Djokovic in RG.

However Djokovic was still in the form of his life with just 1 loss in the past 8 months so I don't really know. And if Federer did beat Djokovic in semis, does he beat Nadal in the final ?
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Roger in 4.
 
jl809 said:
Fed beat Djoker at RG and has MPs at the USO, so this one is pretty easy. Djoker fans will just say it’s hypothetical BS… but they know really
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The guy who lost to Jo Willy who Djokovic beat in 4 was easily beating Djokovic in the SF?

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Federer fans put so much stock on that sole RG SF win. It was still 4-1 djoko that year.

Fed had a freak day on serve in that SF with perfect fast tennis balabot balls for him.

It wasn’t the usual trend. The slow grass by 2nd week of Wimbledon suited Djokovic better too. Djokovic would have learned from that loss had they met again and think his form at Wimbledon in 2011 would beat Rogers.

2011 Djokovic Wimbledon was better than 2012 Djokovic Wimbledon in my view. It may go 5 but I’d take Djokovic here.
 
jl809 said:
It’s almost as if different matchups exist in tennis :unsure: bit like how Djoker would probably have beaten Nadal at RG 11 but lost to Fed who was never going to do it in a million years
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Fed wins one match in 2011 against Novak and he’s unstoppable and can’t be stopped by 2011 Novak! Lol

You do realise the long winning streak and going for no1 with a win probably put more pressure on Djokovic at French against Fed.

As for Wimbledon, Novak reset and had less pressure again. Djoko level at Wimbledon was better than Feds. I’m not taking Fed over him in 2011. 2012 Djokovic on grass was worse than 2011 in my view.
 
Fed in 4. It was still Federer > Nadal > Djokovic > Federer back then, it was 2011 USO where everything changed. Peakovic barely scraped through a servebotting Fed with no ground game in 2014, the H2H is blatantly misleading. 2003-2012 Fed doesn't really lose to any version of Djoker at Wimby, other than 2015 tbh.
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
Federer played 3 crappy sets. Tsonga was great but not that great. He just had to keep a high percentage of 1st serve, target Fed's backhand and the swiss self-destructed, much like against Anderson in 2018.
Obviously Fedovic matches in Wimbledon have always been close so I doubt this one would've been different. But Djokovic wins in 4 or 5, no chance Federer wins this one.
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25 points where Fed got to 30 or Deuce in return games after the break in the first…Tsonga hit a winner or forced an error in 20 of them.

He also got 21 out of 25 (84%) first serves in for those selected points (14/15 first serves in from a position where losing the next point brings up BP)…
 
Federer in 2011 was definitely better than in any year when Djokovic beat him in Wimbledon. On the other hand there is always a possibility of a choke like in USO.
 
No way would Djokovic beat Federer on grass in 2011.

Tsonga was peak/prime Nole's first save at Wimbledon. Dimitrov saved Nole from meeting and losing to Murray in 2014; Gasquet saved Nole from meeting his slam nemesis Wawrinka in 2015.
 
This pointed out another anomaly: Federer and Djokovic sharing the same half. For many years before and after '11, that was the case.

Nadal could only benefit from that. Not too much effect, he could win his 2nd AO in '22, due to Djokovic absence; and couldn't win his 3rd WB,
 
RS said:
2011 Federer vs 2015 Djokovic 20 matches at each slam?
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Unfair comparison. Djokovic' best season against one of Federer's worst seasons since 2003 (only 2013 and 2016 were clearly worse due to injuries). And yet Federer may win at RG (where he was very good in 2011).

Seriously, remember Federer only won Doha in 2011 and then played a great indoor season. In between not a single title from January to October.
 
ChrisRF said:
Unfair comparison. Djokovic' best season against one of Federer's worst seasons since 2003 (only 2013 and 2016 were clearly worse due to injuries). And yet Federer may win at RG (where he was very good in 2011).

Seriously, remember Federer only won Doha in 2011 and then played a great indoor season. In between not a single title from January to October.
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I generally think people would argue for Fed at RG and USO regardless.

You can still play anyway even if you think it's a mismatch.
 
It's really impossible to know. Djokovic was having the best season of his life and that Wimbledon was his best run until 2014/2015.

Federer was a much better grass player back then but he lost to Berdych in 2010 and Tsonga in 2011 so it's not like he was the same from that 60+ grass winning streak.

Also, their 2012 match was close until deep in the 3rd and Djokovic was not the same from 2011.

So it's 50-50 really.
 
Federer in 4. Didn’t we see this match in 2012?
Tsonga gave djokovic the assist there by GOATing and taking out the toughest possible opponent for 2011 djokovic.
 
Biotic said:
You mean the guy who Djokovic defeated in 4 sets? I mean yeah, but why do these guys beat Fedal and then easily roll over for Djoko? Why, oh why?
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Or maybe Tsonga didn't play as well as against Fed. You can't expect him to peak for 2 straight matches against Big 3 players.
 
Kralingen said:
First Serve % was a lot lower in the SF sadly - plus Novak was godly at points in that SF.

I also said that Djokovic was playing at a higher relative level in 2011 btw so I'm not disagreeing with you.

Just that there are a lot of matchup advantages Federer has over Djokovic on grass. Surely you can admit that -- otherwise, how would 33 and 38 year old Fed take a much younger Djokovic to 5 sets there?
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I think Fraud is a better grasscourter and that should be enough. Insisting on countless hypothetical threads like this one is silly, but sadly the only joy you people can get out of tennis these days.
 
Biotic said:
You mean the guy who Djokovic defeated in 4 sets? I mean yeah, but why do these guys beat Fedal and then easily roll over for Djoko? Why, oh why?
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Tsonga has beaten Novak 6 times and Nadal 4 times. Nadal has won 71% of his matches against Tsonga and Novak 74%. So their respective matchups are pretty even.

It logically follows that your assertion "Why do these guys beat Fedal and then easily roll over for Djoko? Why, oh why?" is incompatible with objectivity.


What will be your excuse? That tennis started in 2011, right? Predictable.
 
Sport said:
Tsonga has beaten Novak 6 times and Nadal 4 times. Nadal has won 71% of his matches against Tsonga and Novak 74%. So their respective matchups are pretty even.

It logically follows that your assertion "Why do these guys beat Fedal and then easily roll over for Djoko? Why, oh why?" is incompatible with objectivity.


What will be your excuse? That tennis started in 2011, right? Predictable.
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Comprehension skills is where the insular dwarfism strucks nowdays, eh... :sneaky:
 
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