WWW : Federer vs Djokovic in the Wimbledon 2011 semifinal ?
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RS
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Murray's wasn't himself in 2014. Maybe if he didn't have all the injury issues in 2013 good chance this would have been true.
Don’t give me this you people BS. Or playing the “joy” card. Do you even watch anyone but Djokovic? This is rich coming from the same guy who had an all time meltdown about the death of tennis and cursed unfairness of the world during Nadal’s slams last year.
Yes there are a bunch of joyless malcontents and sourpusses on here who mostly exist to complain and lament the death of tennis. (Including you as recently as 2022). There’s no doubt on that. But I am not one of them. I watch everything, even random 250s, bc I love the game. Why else would I be on here so much? Don’t lob an insult at me like that, it’s not accurate.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
imagine getting owned by strongrule
RS
Bionic Poster
Play the hypothetical game.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
That guy takes as many opportunities as is physically possible to trash Nadal for vulturing AO 2022 even a full year and a half since deportgate so I wouldn't really take his moral grandstanding seriously here.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Your posts don't really deviate from the norm, even if you'd like people to think otherwise. It's one thing to target one single instance of politicization of sports and another to spend most of your time here trying to make a solid proof out of fiction.
RS
Bionic Poster
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Tsonga hit the best OHBH that match you can't change my mind.
TheAssassin
G.O.A.T.
Them splitting two close matches and Djokovic comfortably winning every other that they had in 2011 really makes one lean towards Federer more.
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BauerAlmeida
Legend
RS
Bionic Poster
Nah that's was fine no issues I was just saying that's the score.
djokovic the conqueror
Professional
Djokovic in 4.
Federer didn't want to face the wrath of Djokovic so he decided to lose to Tsonga instead.
Federer didn't want to face the wrath of Djokovic so he decided to lose to Tsonga instead.
ghostofMecir
Legend
After what Federer did to him at Roland Garros a month before, Djokovic would not have been confident in that match. I think a four set close victory by Federer.
Better match than Roddick ever played at Wimbledon?
RS
Bionic Poster
Better than Roddick AO 03 QF is all that matters.
La_Para
Rookie
I think it's an interesting question for sure. On one hand we have a Djokovic who displayed some of the best form of his career, though wasn't as home on grass as in later points in his career. On the other hand we have a Federer who was still tremendous on the surface but not as invincible as in the past.
Looking at how their slam matches went that year (close straight setter at AO, tight win at RG, impossible comeback at US open), I don't think it'd be a blowout either way. Given how Federer had blunted his momentum and would've now faced him on his favorite surface (and at the time Djokovic's worst), I'd give the edge to Federer.
That he lost to Tsonga is a separate and not really relevant issue IMO. Sometimes you get (un)lucky with certain matches and players just goating. But the Tsonga-Djokovic matchup is very different from the Djokovic-Federer one. E.g. I'd also give Djokovic the edge over Nadal had he met him in the 2011 RG final (even though he got beat by Federer who lost to Nadal). Or that Alcaraz would've probably pushed Djokovic harder/would've had a bigger chance of winning than Medvedev (even though he lost to the latter).
Looking at how their slam matches went that year (close straight setter at AO, tight win at RG, impossible comeback at US open), I don't think it'd be a blowout either way. Given how Federer had blunted his momentum and would've now faced him on his favorite surface (and at the time Djokovic's worst), I'd give the edge to Federer.
That he lost to Tsonga is a separate and not really relevant issue IMO. Sometimes you get (un)lucky with certain matches and players just goating. But the Tsonga-Djokovic matchup is very different from the Djokovic-Federer one. E.g. I'd also give Djokovic the edge over Nadal had he met him in the 2011 RG final (even though he got beat by Federer who lost to Nadal). Or that Alcaraz would've probably pushed Djokovic harder/would've had a bigger chance of winning than Medvedev (even though he lost to the latter).
Except he didn’t. Murray would’ve been a wildcard and a very difficult opponent for 2014 djokovic on grass. Dimitrov was basically a walkover regardless of how well he played in stretches.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Murray was godawful in 2014 lol
He’s still Murray and would be more difficult than Dimitrov who done nothing at Wimbledon other than 1 run. Murray actually defeated djokovic in straights the year before and would pose a real threat.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
“2013 Federer is still Federer and he would be very difficult for Stakhovsky to beat! Remember he won the previous year!”
Stuff just happens when you go from season to season. Murray was battling with injury in 2014 and was nowhere near what he was in 2013.
2014 Federer lost 2nd round, Murray reached QF. Original point still stands, Murray is a bigger threat than a choking nextgen, with home crowd behind him and confidence of 2>0 grass h2h.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Question: did you actually watch Wimbledon 2014, specifically Murray’s and Dimitrov’s matches?
Question: do you know how match ups work? Dimitrov has maybe 0.0001% chance of beating peak djokovic at a slam, and that’s if he gets taken out by a sniper. Murray always has a shot over his grass pigeon.
Another example: 2011 Wimbledon. Tsonga has minimal chance vs djokovic but Federer would’ve gone in as very slight favourite.
duaneeo
Legend
A wasn't-himself-Murray is still a better competitor than Dimitrov...the poster boy of 90s-born mugs. And Murray had been struggling with bulging discs/sciatics for years...which had been getting worst with every passing season. Still, he not only won Wimbledon in his last truly competitive year of 2016, but he dominated Nole during the fall season and ended up #1.
RS
Bionic Poster
Tsonga and Murray always had good matches on grass Murray just won them all. They played competitively in AO 2008 actually Murray actually got bagel but lost in 4.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
The thing is, Federer was actually good in Wimbledon 2011.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Federer in 4, maybe 3, I'm thinking 4.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Nee. Gewoon nee.
RS
Bionic Poster
That's means 2004 beats this Fed then. Maybe 2003 too and forgot 2009 we have done that match enough.
Mivic
Hall of Fame
Would pick Djokovic in 4 in a vacuum just based on level of play but I think this one might go 5 given that it’s coming off the back of their match at RG a month or so earlier on top of the fact that this would stand to be their first meeting on the surface. If Djokovic can at least split the first two sets and doesn’t give himself a mountain to climb like he did at the French and at USO then I think he should take it though. He had more energy and was a bit fresher at Wim compared to USO which imo wasn’t really a true peak level run (although it’s likely the best he has) given that Novak was already struggling with many of the same niggles and physical issues which essentially ended his season just afterwards and you can’t really expect a repeat of that freak outcome on serve-return at RG or extrapolate much from that match as far as I’m concerned. Maybe if it was played indoors it would shift the match-up sufficiently in Fed’s favour so as to overcome the level discrepancy but otherwise I think Djokovic takes it.
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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40-15
President
Legend
Roddick was pretty devastating in 2009 against Murray, who was in great form and is obviously a very natural grass courter. That was a great win.
RS
Bionic Poster
Play my hypothetical game of 2011 Fed vs 2015 Djokovic 20 match series
BauerAlmeida
Legend
It would have been great if Murray beat Dimitrov so we wouldn't hear about this "Djokovic never won a set vs Murray" on grass nonsense based on an extremely small sample.
RS
Bionic Poster
2004 Roddick would have straight setted 2009 Murray or beat him in routine 4
duaneeo
Legend
With only one grass slam, and considering Nole avoided grass warmups like the plague, of course the sample will be small.
But Nole had chances in 2012 and 2013, and didn't win a single set both times.
BauerAlmeida
Legend
They played 5 sets which is very little for two players that were at the top of the game for over 10 years. And like three of those sets were 7-5. Good for Murray but we know Djokovic reached his grass peak under Becker. And yeah, it's obviously not Murray's fault if Djokovic doesn't play grass warmups, but we saw Murray lose before meeting Djokovic at Wimbledon a few times, and then Djokovic beating the guy who beat him. 2015 Federer, 2011 Nadal, 2014 Dimitrov and IDK if someone else too. I remember Shapovalov 2021 but Murray was a disaster by then and it happened several rounds before IIRC, so it's not like he lost the previous match or even two rounds earlier maybe, I'm not sure.
duaneeo
Legend
I agree two matches are very little for two top contemporaries...only one slam meeting. But the fault of only one slam meeting falls on both players. Murray lost before the final in 2011 (Nadal), 2014 (Dimitrov) and 2015 (Federer), and Djokovic in 2012 (Federer) and 2016 (Querrey).
But regardless of fault, I've often pointed out that Nole avoided his top contemporaries at Wimbledon. He faced a PastGen Federer more times between 2011-2016 than he faced Nadal/Murray/Wawrinka combined.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It's more like Dimitrov saved Murray from a spanking from Djokovic by spanking him himself.
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