Xpider 5-Tooth String Clamps

Dags

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This week I replaced the string clamps on my machine, a RAB Stringmaster 1000. I’ve always considered this a mid-range machine; RAB and Alpha appear to have some sort of relationship, and I think it’s the equivalent of the Axis Pro or maybe the Revo 4000. I installed a Wise 10 years ago, so this is the second upgrade.

First question was: would they fit my existing base clamps. I measured the pin of the RAB clamps with digital callipers, and they were bang on 12mm in diameter. The vendor had the Xpider as 11.97mm. I measure the Xpider as 11.80mm. This could be a number of things - incorrect information, incorrect reading from my callipers, or just user error on my part (I’m no engineer and rarely use the callipers). But in this instance, slightly smaller is obviously better than slightly bigger. The clamps fit albeit with a tiny bit more play than before.

And first impressions… it’s absolutely an upgrade. The clamps are sturdy at 391.4g, though slightly lighter than the RABs which came in at 408g. The movement to open and close is very smooth due to the inclusion of a cam roller. There’s some sort of coating on the teeth… I assume it’s diamond dusting, but may be mistaken. Whether it is or not, the clamps hold extremely well with very little pressure on the strings. Today I strung 1.25mm smooth poly, 1.27mm shaped poly and 1.30 natural gut, and didn’t have to alter the clamps for any of them. I was watching closely for any sign of slippage - and gut in particular it’s very obvious if it’s moving - but they stayed solid as a rock. One concern was that the slightly narrower pin may have led to greater drawback, but it was a non-issue. And if anything, they are less prone to minor twisting, which was a surprise.

These look like the same clamps @Arvin_C has with his Tourna 300-CS. I’m curious how they compare to the Babolat clamps you’ve worked with.

They were £50 each or £90 for the pair, plus £4 postage. Obligatory pictures below: for the ones comparing clamps, the Xpider is on the left and RAB on the right.

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@Dags - Nice looking machine! Our clamps are almost exactly alike except for some detailing on my levers:

Tourna Clamps_4 by Arvin Castro, on Flickr

Other than this, the cam mechanism and other details are similar:

Tourna Clamps_1 by Arvin Castro, on Flickr
Tourna Clamps_2 by Arvin Castro, on Flickr
Tourna Clamps_5 by Arvin Castro, on Flickr
Tourna Clamps_6 by Arvin Castro, on Flickr

With regards to how these clamps compare to the Babolat clamps I used to use, I actually think these clamps compare quite well! The one thing I always loved about the Babolat clamps was that they had this wonderful positive action to them...that as you were closing the lever, they had a silent detent where you felt that the clamp was fully engaged. I can't recall if the Babolats' had an actual cam mechanism on them, but the Xpider/Tourna clamps feel very similar because of their cam action. I also attribute this positive action to allowing the clamps to be very easy on strings...you don't over tighten them to get that secure "feel" that the string is being held tightly. The obvious visual differences from the Babolat clamps are that the Babolats' were Four and Three tooth designs, so they were narrower in width. Lastly, and most famously, the Babolat clamps featured diamond-dust coated teeth, whereas our clamps are just textured (see my last picture). The diamond-dust coating is another reason Babolat clamps are so secure while also being so string-friendly...they simply don't slip, even with such little "force" being applied to the string. However, one thing I will say is that I always found that cleaning the diamond-dust coating always involved a good brushing, where with textured clamps, a good wipe-down with a rag and alcohol was usually sufficient.

I always hold Babolat clamps as the best I've ever used because of that diamond dust coating as well as how gentle they are to the string, but IMHO, these Xpider/Tourna clamps are pretty darn close, especially in the way they feel operation-wise...and at much lower cost.

Arvin C
 
our clamps are just textured (see my last picture).
I'm not sure I've ever seen diamond dusting, so wasn't sure how it looks on the clamps. I'll assume it sparkles more. ;)

I always hold Babolat clamps as the best I've ever used because of that diamond dust coating as well as how gentle they are to the string, but IMHO, these Xpider/Tourna clamps are pretty darn close, especially in the way they feel operation-wise...and at much lower cost.
It's good to hear that you rate them so highly. For me, they're the best I've ever used, but I wasn't sure how much of a gap existed between these and the top end. I've experienced several really cheap clamps (fortunately not on my machine) and always knew that what I had was a step up from them, but the Xpider were a jump up again.

Still room for a couple of potential upgrades to my machine, but I'm pretty happy with it at the moment. This was £90 well spent. Base clamps are decent, but I would be tempted by the Xpider ones should they come at a reasonable price. I've never taken my clamps off the rails to give them a thorough cleaning though, so maybe that should be my next step.
 
I also have a R-A-B Stringmaster, purely for my own use it's 19 years old, still looks brand new and works fine. I decided to buy some diamond dusted clamps after reading your detailed review. Fantastic, really makes a difference - sincerely appreciated
 
Tourna is also advertising “down pressed base clamps” similar to Xpider.
 
IIRC, I thought "down pressed base clamp" is from Xpider originally?
Yes, I think so too. I mentioned that because Dags said earlier the string clamps this thread is about look like Tourna CS300 clamps. So if Tourna is advertising ‘down pressed clamp base’ then it’s another indication Tourna may be sourcing hardware from Xpider.
 
I noticed in the side view comparison photo above that these new clamps have a bit of offset: the string is not centered directly above the post/shaft. With my setup I’m unable to get my clamps close enough to do both center mains against the frame. The offset of these new clamps would help with that. Basically the clamp bases can be a little farther apart.

Also, it looks like the lever is slightly more compact (not sticking out as far.) Another challenge on my machine is clamping outer mains against the frame since the handles interfere with each other (if I turn them around, then the clamp adjustment mechanism interferes with frame.) Again, this new design looks like it could help with that.
 
They were £50 each or £90 for the pair, plus £4 postage.

Great looking clamps and machine. Congrats on the upgrade.
Do you mind sharing where (site) did you buy these clamps from?

The clamp seems dusted with sand or diamond rather than diamond strip inserts. Better to have dusted than inserts.

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Do you mind sharing where (site) did you buy these clamps from?

The clamp seems dusted with sand or diamond rather than diamond strip inserts. Better to have dusted than inserts.
Gefen Sports. They're not actually diamond dusted, they're textured as per Arvin_C's reply early in the thread.
So, do you think the XSpider clamps would fit an Alpha Axis base?
Quite likely, but I'd want to be measuring first. A lot of machines look very similar, but if they've changed the dimensions by a millimetre or two, you're looking at incompatibility.
 
So, do you think the XSpider clamps would fit an Alpha Axis base?

Am pretty sure should they would Steve ?? Effectively your machine looks exactly the same as per my R-A-B Stringmaster 1000. Effectively the machines must all be the same in principle. Definitely worth buying these kind of clamps, you will immediately notice to the difference. Assume in the unlikely event you could always return.
 
It's the post diameter I'd have to worry about. Each manufacturer seems to make a different diameter post. Should be an industry standard or something. That would eventually lead to manufacturers producing the best machines overall.
 
I have those clamps. ordered from Aliexpress.
Aef-Tennis Badmintion hybrid clamps. you can order 12 or 12.2 mm shafts. you can also order spare diamond dusted replacement inserts
 
I have those clamps. ordered from Aliexpress.
Aef-Tennis Badmintion hybrid clamps. you can order 12 or 12.2 mm shafts. you can also order spare diamond dusted replacement inserts

at those price why not just get it directly from gamma?
 
Anybody know what Tourna charges for these clamps? Looks like they are available in the US catalog as CLAMP-1. Tempted to swap them onto my Alpha but I wonder if they might be cheaper than bringing over from Gefen in the UK.
 
Anybody know what Tourna charges for these clamps? Looks like they are available in the US catalog as CLAMP-1. Tempted to swap them onto my Alpha but I wonder if they might be cheaper than bringing over from Gefen in the UK.
This thread was borne out of a discussion we were having around some base clamps:


Arvin_C obtained a price for the bases from Tourna in the US, but I doubt he also got a price for the string clamps as he already had them. You would hope it would be cheaper than shipping them over though. Certainly would be worth an email or phone call.
 
This thread was borne out of a discussion we were having around some base clamps:


Arvin_C obtained a price for the bases from Tourna in the US, but I doubt he also got a price for the string clamps as he already had them. You would hope it would be cheaper than shipping them over though. Certainly would be worth an email or phone call.

Saw that thread too! I already swapped to gravity release bases last year so I didn't dig too much. I asked my buddy who owns a tennis shop but figured I'd see if anyone here had a quick answer.
 
I have those clamps. ordered from Aliexpress.
Aef-Tennis Badmintion hybrid clamps. you can order 12 or 12.2 mm shafts. you can also order spare diamond dusted replacement inserts

More then double the price of the Gamma clamps? Gamma diamond dusted 5 prong clamp is $144/clamp. i got 2 clamps with extra diamond inserts for $116. at AliExpress


@mark999,
Can you post a few photos (from different angles) of the actual clamps you received?
I'd like to see if they are exact, or not.
Thanks in advance.
 
I have those clamps. ordered from Aliexpress.
Aef-Tennis Badmintion hybrid clamps. you can order 12 or 12.2 mm shafts. you can also order spare diamond dusted replacement inserts
Do you have other clamps and how do these compare against them?
I would like to know the quality of these AliExpress clamps.
Cheers.
 
i bought my Alpha machine used. it came with only one clamp. the AEF clamps are exactly the same as the one that came with my machine. i don't know where the original clamp came from. the shafts on these clamps are 12.2 mm. If you need the 12.2 size AliExpress and the Pros Pro website in Europe are the only places to get the 12.2 mm size clamps. There are other sites in Europe that have just the 12mm size.
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i bought my Alpha machine used. it came with only one clamp. the AEF clamps are exactly the same as the one that came with my machine. i don't know where the original clamp came from. the shafts on these clamps are 12.2 mm. If you need the 12.2 size AliExpress and the Pros Pro website in Europe are the only places to get the 12.2 mm size clamps. There are other sites in Europe that have just the 12mm size.
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This week I replaced the string clamps on my machine, a RAB Stringmaster 1000. I’ve always considered this a mid-range machine; RAB and Alpha appear to have some sort of relationship, and I think it’s the equivalent of the Axis Pro or maybe the Revo 4000. I installed a Wise 10 years ago, so this is the second upgrade.

First question was: would they fit my existing base clamps. I measured the pin of the RAB clamps with digital callipers, and they were bang on 12mm in diameter. The vendor had the Xpider as 11.97mm. I measure the Xpider as 11.80mm. This could be a number of things - incorrect information, incorrect reading from my callipers, or just user error on my part (I’m no engineer and rarely use the callipers). But in this instance, slightly smaller is obviously better than slightly bigger. The clamps fit albeit with a tiny bit more play than before.

And first impressions… it’s absolutely an upgrade. The clamps are sturdy at 391.4g, though slightly lighter than the RABs which came in at 408g. The movement to open and close is very smooth due to the inclusion of a cam roller. There’s some sort of coating on the teeth… I assume it’s diamond dusting, but may be mistaken. Whether it is or not, the clamps hold extremely well with very little pressure on the strings. Today I strung 1.25mm smooth poly, 1.27mm shaped poly and 1.30 natural gut, and didn’t have to alter the clamps for any of them. I was watching closely for any sign of slippage - and gut in particular it’s very obvious if it’s moving - but they stayed solid as a rock. One concern was that the slightly narrower pin may have led to greater drawback, but it was a non-issue. And if anything, they are less prone to minor twisting, which was a surprise.

These look like the same clamps @Arvin_C has with his Tourna 300-CS. I’m curious how they compare to the Babolat clamps you’ve worked with.

They were £50 each or £90 for the pair, plus £4 postage. Obligatory pictures below: for the ones comparing clamps, the Xpider is on the left and RAB on the right.

IMG-0074.jpg


IMG-0075.jpg


IMG-0076.jpg


IMG-0077.jpg


IMG-0079.jpg


IMG-0080.jpg


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Anybody know what Tourna charges for these clamps? Looks like they are available in the US catalog as CLAMP-1. Tempted to swap them onto my Alpha but I wonder if they might be cheaper than bringing over from Gefen in the UK.
But this are not Deluxe clamps, this are cheap pro´s pro clamps which pros sell for 36,- Euro. Modern clamps also don´t have diamond dust inlays which can fall out of the clamp and are not plain with the rest of the clamp base. Xpider, Tourna, Stringmaster have much better clamps
 
But this are not Deluxe clamps, this are cheap pro´s pro clamps which pros sell for 36,- Euro. Modern clamps also don´t have diamond dust inlays which can fall out of the clamp and are not plain with the rest of the clamp base. Xpider, Tourna, Stringmaster have much better clamps

No idea what you’re referring to 2+ years later. The clamps being referenced at the time came straight from Tourna and went on my Alpha. I’m well aware the clamp design has changed since then and my current StringMaster Deluxe has the same Xpider setup that Tourna uses now in several machines
 
just got mine from Tourna...another significant price increase. Why are my adjustment wheels so hard to turn ??? is there something i'm not understanding...they move in increments and are VERY difficult to turn . i'm feeling stupid !
 
Just started using my Stringmaster (=xpider) clamps as an an upgrade for the Pros Pro diamond dusted clamps.

They are awesome. No more adjusting during stringing and they clamp nice and 3ven across the length of the clamp.
@ralph h
Adjusting them is a bit tricky because of the locking pins. You need to manually push the clamp closed and then you can turn the wheel. Upside is that it won't move during the stringjob.
 
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