Yamaha EOS TP (Thermo Plastics) 110

shugai

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Hi everybody,
anyone know/care to share a thing or two about thermoplastics used for rackets back in the day, was it any good?
I just got myself a yammy EOS TP 110, wondering what was this thing back in the day…
You can see pics here - https://ibb.co/album/DGLkyh
 
Looks like a very late model Yamaha, probably from the mid 1990’s, Malaysian made. I know nothing of the TP a they speak of, but the mold for this EOS is different than the other more common editions. Neat find!
 
Thanks for you reply gents.
I measured it at home: weight with base grip + strings + dampener = 288 grams. Guessing it's fairly light for mid 90's racket. My home-brew balance measuring device came up with 355 mm, meaning it's extremely head heavy. I got no way of measuring it's swing weight. Guessing it was designed to be a sorta tweener racquet.
Anyways I was able to hit with it a couple of times, with old strings. It is fairly maneuverable cuz of low weight, the ball flew effortlessly, its tends to spray a bit - maybe it's just me.
The main point is that that Thermoplastics material is still a thing of mystery to me.
 
There is nothing magical about thermoplastics.

Synthetic plastics can be broadly divided into two types, thermoset and thermoplastic. Thermoset resins, such as epoxy, have permanent crosslinks between their long chain polymers. Once these plastics are fully cured, they cannot be melted down again (unless dissolved using an appropriate solvent). In contrast, thermoplastics, such as nylon, lack these crosslinks; therefore they can be re-liquified through heat alone.

The only racquets made out of thermoplastics were those produced using the injection molding process, most famously the Dunlop Max 200G, because molten thermoplastics flow much better than thermoset resins. The trade-off is that these thermoplastic frames are by nature heat-labile; they will melt if given enough thermal encouragement!

As I understand it, these Yamaha TP racquets are conventional thermoset (epoxy) frames coated in a layer of thermoplastic, which acts as a vibration dampener. This is easy enough to do during manufacturing - you only need to wrap the epoxy fiber-reinforced prepreg in a sheet of nylon before laying the whole thing in the mold.

No idea how well the vibration-dampening works, as I've never handled one of these. I rather doubt it's anything earth-shattering.
 
Yes, as @Sanglier said, there are plenty of uses of themoplastics in rackets, like Nylon, Zytel or Noryl for bridges and grommet strips. If it is used in part of the layup like the Nylon jacket in Head's twin-tubes, or at strategic locations for dampening, I assume the racket will be baked at lower temperatures than the thermoplastic melt point, which is quite feasible as some epoxies are designed for lower temperature cures.

Just to be safe though, best not to leave your stick in a hot car or next to a fire.
 
Not earth shattering but resonant. There is certainly something pretty special in a Yamaha frame when tension, frequency etc all combine perfectly - a unique but also very different feeling to an imf frame.
 
I brought this racket to group training yesterday.
Ladies were impressed by easy access to power this stick gave them. One in particular had her main resting on the bench for most of the session.
 
There is nothing magical about thermoplastics.

Synthetic plastics can be broadly divided into two types, thermoset and thermoplastic. Thermoset resins, such as epoxy, have permanent crosslinks between their long chain polymers. Once these plastics are fully cured, they cannot be melted down again (unless dissolved using an appropriate solvent). In contrast, thermoplastics, such as nylon, lack these crosslinks; therefore they can be re-liquified through heat alone.

The only racquets made out of thermoplastics were those produced using the injection molding process, most famously the Dunlop Max 200G, because molten thermoplastics flow much better than thermoset resins. The trade-off is that these thermoplastic frames are by nature heat-labile; they will melt if given enough thermal encouragement!

As I understand it, these Yamaha TP racquets are conventional thermoset (epoxy) frames coated in a layer of thermoplastic, which acts as a vibration dampener. This is easy enough to do during manufacturing - you only need to wrap the epoxy fiber-reinforced prepreg in a sheet of nylon before laying the whole thing in the mold.

No idea how well the vibration-dampening works, as I've never handled one of these. I rather doubt it's anything earth-shattering.
@Sanglier, didn't the early 90s Prince Vortex series somehow manage to imbed the carbon fibers in a full-layup thermoplastic matrix without using injection molding? They were far stiffer than the Dunlops, and I picked up the notion somewhere that the reason for that was that Dunlop had to chop up the fibers to get them to go through the injection nozzle, and the Vortex frames had full-length carbon fibers.

If so, the shock and vibration damping, at least when used for the entire frame construction, might very well qualify as magical!
 
@Sanglier, didn't the early 90s Prince Vortex series somehow manage to imbed the carbon fibers in a full-layup thermoplastic matrix without using injection molding? They were far stiffer than the Dunlops, and I picked up the notion somewhere that the reason for that was that Dunlop had to chop up the fibers to get them to go through the injection nozzle, and the Vortex frames had full-length carbon fibers.

If so, the shock and vibration damping, at least when used for the entire frame construction, might very well qualify as magical!

You are right! I completely forgot about the Vortex. My categoric assertion that all thermoplastic frames were injection-molded was incorrect.

In their marketing literature, Prince used the term "viscoelastic" matrix to describe the mysterious material in these frames (going so far as to imply that this technology was derived from stealth aircraft construction), but the mystery matrix was indeed nylon. Vortex racquets produced using this patented method didn't have any epoxy in their layup (unlike the Yamaha).

As you pointed out, the Vortex combined the strength of compression-molded continuous fiber frames with the dynamic stiffness of IMF. However, just like IMF, these nylon racquets should not be left inside the car on a hot day, or near a working radiator.
 
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