Yamaha Secret & Proto

retrowagen

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I noticed that we have several threads with miscellaneous information on various Yamaha frames, but I haven't seen one which concentrates on, and catalogues the Secret / Proto series of racquets.

From what I can remember, the first Secret (called Proto in Japan) models were introduced in 1989, as a quick response to the widebody craze launched by the introduction of the original Wilson Profile midsize and oversize models in 1988 (which were essentially rebranded Kuebler Resonanz frames, made under license by Wilson in their St. Vincent factories). The first (and most popular) midplus (+- 100 square inch) Secret mold was a compromise between the two Wilson sizes (95 & 110), and more conservative in design, being constant-beam, and far less wide than the massive cross-section of the Wilsons. Various layups were offered by Yamaha, with various flex patterns and prices proportional to their relative stiffness. The Secret 04 was the stiffest and most popular of the line, and featured a unique, very grainy matte grey paint finish that, along with its other low-key graphics, was somewhat evocative of military weapons equipment! I played college tennis in California at the time, and recall that the Secret 04 had a cult following among Bay Area college players and other hotshot tournament players. On the pro tours, Yannick Noah eventually wound up with the Secret 04 towards the end of his ATP career, and on the WTA side, Gabriella Sabatini used an oversized variant.

Other models that I can recall were the Secret 06, Secret 10, Secret 10-II, Secret 20, Secret 100, specimens of which I have had in my bag at one time or another. Can any of you remember other models? I recently found a Proto 03 at a second-hand store; I'm curious as to what its layup and stiffness level are relative to the Secret 04. It seems among the Secret models, the greater the number, the less stiff the layup is, though the midplus models all share the same mold and drill pattern. I notice the higher-numbered models are made in Taiwan, while the (more elite) lower-numbered models were made at the Yamaha tennis factory in Singapore. All variants give the impression of high quality.

Evidently, Yamaha tennis ran into a bit of a problem with its EOS models, which were essentially Secret mold racquets with different mass distribution in the frame (more head-heavy, like Wilson's Hammer series). Wilson too offence to what they felt was a patent infringement on the matter, and Yamaha pulled their tennis line from the US market - was it in 1994? However, the Secret 04 was sold as a Gosen frame, NATO grey graphics and all, for a short while after, then sales stopped.

I rediscovered these interesting frames recently. A frequent hitting partner was still playing with a pair of Secret 04's up to last year (from his high school days in the early 90's!), but struggling with his form and the classic complaint of over-hitting with this frame - it is widely considered a monster, because it is immensely stiff (even by modern standards), weighs 12 ounces or so, and has a thin enough beam and is manoeuverable enough to trick the operator into thinking he or she can take a full cut at the ball (as opposed to making more compact strokes, as would befit "widebody" use). One day, he lost patience, and smashed one frame. He was about to throw the other in the courtside trash can, but I intervened, took it home, cleaned it up, and restrung it. I tried to give the paint a gentle clean with rubbing alcohol, but to my horror, it started coming right off! I rubbed it down to see the carbon fiber beneath, trying to save the graphics, though. I find that the frame plays best / most manageably for my classic long, flat strokes with a very low-tech, "dead" string: Leoina 66 15L. This frame is great to serve with, but volleys require precise technique - if one gets under the net and ball too much, it's all too easy to hit the volley long. Groundstrokes need a bit of adjustment, too, to compensate for the way the racquet transmits kinetic energy to the ball. A shorter swing (or more topspin) is key. I don't play with the Yamahas as my regular racquets, but they are a fun experience, and an interesting interpretation of the Widebody power racquet brief.

If you have more info, photos, model names, or memories to add of the Secret or Proto racquets, please join in!
 
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v-verb

Hall of Fame
I've got a Secret 04 that I bought new way back. The "secret" is poly strung at 30 lbs. You can take big cuts at the ball and have tons of power and control.

I should break it out this weekend
 
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Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
I've seen a few threads on the Secrets around here, but, like chocolate, one more is always cause for happiness. I have a couple of memories/rumors/observations to kick in:
  • I remember sales reps during the widebody craze saying that Yamaha, a minor player in rackets, was scaring the hell out of Wilson, Prince, and Head with the Secret line.
  • The gossip I heard on the Eos and the Hammer patent (which many felt at the time was inappropriately generous to Wilson), was less "infringing on an product that was already on the market" and more "Wilson and Yamaha were racing to get through the patent process, and Wilson was faster". The settlement was win-win: Yamaha needed the legal fees a lot more than they needed the tiny tennis market, and Wilson pretty much owned the 90s market share with no one challenging the Hammers.
  • I have an old Secret 04 and some new 06's whose string beds I have measured at 325.5 mm long and 237 mm wide. Applying the area of ellipse formula to what is a pretty regular oval, that's right at 94 sq in. (Surprise!) They may have marketed it at 100 to reach the club players, trusting the greater precision vs Thunderstick and Profile OS – and the bad-*ss cosmetics – to catch the eye of the tournament players.
  • It's an irony that cosmetics so bad-*ss were also so fragile, but they really were. I keep daydreaming that I'm going to toss some sand and paint into a spray gun and redo my 04, maybe even in some color other than gunmetal, but I doubt I'll ever get around to it.
 

retrowagen

Hall of Fame
Here are some of my current Yamahas:



The denuded Secret 04 has taken the military look in another direction. Once the old grey paint dissolved, the carbon fiber and Kevlar fabric can be seen:




 

retrowagen

Hall of Fame
Don't know yet. I just got the 03 this week, and want to regrip and string it identically to the 04. I'll be glad to compare them then; I am very curious, too.
 
The Secret EX was one of the most flexible models of the line, with mostly white cosmetics and red/green Italian flag-inspired colors. The paint was very high quality, and it was a superb racquet. I played with a pair of those in 1990-91. The 04 was indeed a real tank of a racquet. Noah did make a grand slam semifinal run at the 89? Aussie Open, using the 04. Wasn't the flex around 80? I still have 3 that I got from our buddy Sandro a few years ago (in a trade for some Rossignol Vectris). Great for serving and slicing. Surprisingly, the shock to the arm is not that bad, despite the high stiffness, probably because they were so well engineered. Ronald Agenor also used them on the pro tour.
 

WINZOWAR

Rookie
Anybody know the flex ratings of the various Secrets? What a change 80 is from the ceramic series. The Bronze 90s and 100 I have must be low 50s or high 40s.
 

hadoken

Professional
I recall the Secret 10/10-II being one the highest rated frames in tennis magazine back in the day. I recall demo'ing it years ago when I as 16 and thought it was fantastic. Always wanted to get one off auction to goof with but never bothered. Anyone else still using one? Up until 3 years ago I was still using Prince CTS so a well designed frame certainly has staying power
 

Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
Anybody know the flex ratings of the various Secrets? What a change 80 is from the ceramic series. The Bronze 90s and 100 I have must be low 50s or high 40s.
This won't be a completely satisfying answer, but it's all I have... Yamaha had a 10-point scale that they used to describe stiffness during at least part of the run of the Secrets:
  • Secret 04: "#10 Extremely Stiff" I have in my notes that 'Tennis' (the magazine? the web site? I don't remember) listed it as RA 81.
  • Secret 05: "#8.5 Very Stiff" (I never saw one of these in person.)
  • Secret 06: I have in my notes RA 78, from someone on TT. (It seems hilarious now, but lots of people assumed at the time the 04 was for men and the 06 for women. Imagine that: a 360g 'chick stick'... because 78 is too soft for Real Men.)
  • Secret 07: "#7 Stiff"
  • Secret 20: "Medium Stiff" No number in my notes.
  • Secret EX: "#7 Stiff" That's for both the 97 sq in version and that gorgeous OS that (the equally gorgeous) Sabatini used.
I found these, too... Eos (100 or 110): "#9 Very Stiff", Eos RZ (100 or 110): "#7 Stiff". And the Gosen Secret was listed at 80 – I think that comes from TW, who carried it in 2001, but I can't get the individual racket pages to come up on webarchive.org anymore.
 
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YOYOMAN

New User
Protocol Equivalent to Secret 04

I know the Protos were sold in Japan while the Secrets were sold in the U.S. Does anyone know what Proto model was equivalent to the Secret 04? I thought it was the Proto 07, but recent research has me questioning if this is correct. It is difficult to find reliable specs of the Proto models.
 

retrowagen

Hall of Fame
I know the Protos were sold in Japan while the Secrets were sold in the U.S. Does anyone know what Proto model was equivalent to the Secret 04? I thought it was the Proto 07, but recent research has me questioning if this is correct. It is difficult to find reliable specs of the Proto models.

Yes, specs on the Proto racquets are a - er- secret :). This last week, I did string up my Proto 03 as closely to my Secret 04, for a playtest comparison. The racquets played virtually identically.

I weighed both, and although my particular Secret 04 is marked 4-1/2 L, it has been denuded of almost all of its paint. It weighed in at 12.6 ounces, strung. The Proto 03, originally a 4-1/4 XSL, though now with its grip built up with heat shrink to 4-3/8, weiged in at 12.4 ozs., strung. I don't have access to an RDC machine, but to my arm, they play equally stiff, and both appear to be Graphite-Kevlar composites.

I'm tempted to conclude that the Proto 03 was a slightly lighter twin of the Secret 04, specifically for Asian markets.
 

Colpo

Professional
The Secret EX was one of the most flexible models of the line, with mostly white cosmetics and red/green Italian flag-inspired colors. The paint was very high quality, and it was a superb racquet. I played with a pair of those in 1990-91. The 04 was indeed a real tank of a racquet. Noah did make a grand slam semifinal run at the 89? Aussie Open, using the 04. Wasn't the flex around 80? I still have 3 that I got from our buddy Sandro a few years ago (in a trade for some Rossignol Vectris). Great for serving and slicing. Surprisingly, the shock to the arm is not that bad, despite the high stiffness, probably because they were so well engineered. Ronald Agenor also used them on the pro tour.

Haha, that was a ballsy, "just for men" type deal there! The Vectris played beautifully with off the charts room temp softened butter factor but even they have moved on to their next home. Good memories, great thread.
 

v-verb

Hall of Fame
Yes, specs on the Proto racquets are a - er- secret :). This last week, I did string up my Proto 03 as closely to my Secret 04, for a playtest comparison. The racquets played virtually identically.

I weighed both, and although my particular Secret 04 is marked 4-1/2 L, it has been denuded of almost all of its paint. It weighed in at 12.6 ounces, strung. The Proto 03, originally a 4-1/4 XSL, though now with its grip built up with heat shrink to 4-3/8, weiged in at 12.4 ozs., strung. I don't have access to an RDC machine, but to my arm, they play equally stiff, and both appear to be Graphite-Kevlar composites.

I'm tempted to conclude that the Proto 03 was a slightly lighter twin of the Secret 04, specifically for Asian markets.

Snagged a Proto 3 on the bay last night. Should have it next week. Pretty happy to have a backup to my Secret 04. Which for now is my main stick. Of course that will change some time soon I bet
 

BorgCash

Legend
Once i got me used Secret-10 in some kind of green colour. I was surprised how good is it! Very powerfull and control too. The strings on it quite old and cheap (i think it comes as manufacture's strins). I even found and got another one Secret-10 in charcoal colour (from auction site). I plan to put same strings on both and make the identical grips. Do not decide about strings and tension yet.
 

Tennis Dunce

Semi-Pro
Yamaha tennis for life!
I'll never forget the two Secret 04's I found at a PIAS in Boulder, CO for 10 bucks apiece. There was, and I'd imagine there still isn't, anything quite comparable to those sticks. I also remember waking up one morning after practice serving about a couple hundred balls or so the day before with a bruise the size of a baseball on my upper arm...but what a weapon. I remember sticking some nice volleys with it.

I believe Yamaha had the most gorgeous wood racquets as well.
 

GeekG

New User
What do you guys think of Yamaha XAM series? I cannot find anything about them. Looks like a more classic mold. Not as widebody? Still good? I could get one cheap but dont know it is ok to buy.. i read nothing about XAM series so far. Thanks..
Thanks for the rating.. so the numbers are just stiffness? I saw a xam 02 and a xam 06. So the 02 is the stiffest...
 

Andy1

New User
Back in the 90’s, I was the Distributor for Yamaha in Spain. The Secret line was a huge success, and Wilson feared the competition. A few extremely nice thin beams followed the Secret EX (white with Red and Green cosmetics). One of them, a black EX S, had a rectangular cross section and was extremely similar to the Pro Staff 95 from Wilson, but in more beautiful. The quality of the manufacturing was exquisite. All details were better than in modern frames. The way the grips were moulded (no but caps with staples as it is common nowadays), the Grommets strips were sophisticated and very long lasting. The holes where the stringing knots had to be tied off, were shaped to avoid slippage, etc... It is a real shame they did not stay in the business.
 

NLBwell

Legend
My wife at the time got a Secret 04 when they first came out. She played very well with it, but got tennis elbow and had to switch to a ProKennex racket with the grains inside (which did cure her elbow problems).
I got a Secret 06 and wasted close to a year hitting all my groundstrokes into the back fence before I switched back to my PS85.
The 06 was a lot of fun to hit with if you didn't care if it went in the court.

Last I saw, the 04 was still in my ex-wife's garage (though one of my sons had his eye on it) and I gave away my 06 to a friend who was using Secret 06's.
 

michael valek

Hall of Fame
Thread revival. Picked up a couple of these 04 models and can’t wait to hit with them. Missed out back in the 80s but saw how dangerous they can be. Poly at 22kg ought to be sufficient, right?
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
I still have 1 proto 04 that I couldn't find a pair. If I had I'm pretty sure they would be my main stick. Does anyone has a proto 04 spare anywhere?
 
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Grafil Injection

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Pretty sure I hit one ball with an O4 when I was about 16, and ran away quickly finding it to have ridiculous power like a Profile, and being about as comfortable as a breeze block.
 

michael valek

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hi if anyone put there can help, I am looking for some yamaha sx/EOS RZ/cx 110 versions, from japan - any japanese posters could help me out? thanks
 
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