Yet another shapo loss

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Again, just as with Felix Denis should have won this match. He served for the first set and couldn't close. Was good in second set and third up until the last game which he had no business losing. He's still losing matches he should win and at 21 this is unacceptable.
 

Rosstour

Hall of Fame
Again, just as with Felix Denis should have won this match. He served for the first set and couldn't close. Was good in second set and third up until the last game which he had no business losing. He's still losing matches he should win and at 21 this is unacceptable.
Yeah...I thought he was gonna be the next big thing. I think I have egg on my face now.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
The Sith Struff was too powerful.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the midichlorians to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
 
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Yugram

Legend
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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the midichlorians to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
Bookmarked
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the midichlorians to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
chef's kiss
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Again, just as with Felix Denis should have won this match. He served for the first set and couldn't close. Was good in second set and third up until the last game which he had no business losing. He's still losing matches he should win and at 21 this is unacceptable.
Well Struff was playing extremely well and has the power game to really put pressure on Shapo's backhand. It was really an excellent match and I was amazed by Shapo's resilience under such a heavy barrage. Still the Shapo mentality on display earlier this year after the ATP Cup surfaced just enough to cost him. Denis is in excellent form and really this is a blessing in disguise as he's got two good matches under his belt and can now rest for a US Open run which starts in less than five days.:eek: I'd give him a shot at winning US Open if he doesn't have to play Djokovic (just too much pressure.)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the midichlorians to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
My apologies for the uncredited plagarism in my signature, but I had to shave out over 270 characters and no room for the distinguished author.:cry:
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
There is one particular thing I love about tennis and one particular thing I hate.

I love: that after every match you are either a hero or a bum.

I hate: that after every match you are either a hero or a bum.

The timing of my love/hate varies according to if my guy won or lost.
 
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the trajectory of the tennis ball to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
Stunning.(y)
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the midichlorians to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
Foolish he is, great he may never be. Over-hyped he has been.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
No, he's not a bum. He's a highly talented athlete who is still mentally fragile for some reason. He still needs to be more resilient and tough under pressure. Some matches he has it, and some he doesn't. A work in progress, but at 21 he needs to be competing for serious hardware like Tsitsipas and Medvedev.
 

Ironwood

Professional
Shapo doesn't always construct winning rallies! He relies too much on shot making to get him out of trouble, and while he does have the weapons to pull out a winner from anywhere on the court, it seems to get him in trouble more often than not!
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
FAA has realized he has to be at the net for the good of his health, and is shortening the rallies that way.
Shapo still needs to use the net to a larger extent. It is there that Struff discombobulated him.
Neither of them masters enough the approach shots yet.
Neither is too solid either in critical moments.
 
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Musterrific

Semi-Pro
Shaps needs a hardass coach like Lendl to keep him off social media and making rap albums to focus solely on intense tennis training.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
No, he's not a bum. He's a highly talented athlete who is still mentally fragile for some reason. He still needs to be more resilient and tough under pressure. Some matches he has it, and some he doesn't. A work in progress, but at 21 he needs to be competing for serious hardware like Tsitsipas and Medvedev.
Well Struff took out Goffin today most impressively so Shapo still has a chance to go incredibly deep at the US Open. The Mad Lad is much ******* than your beloved Shapo and Tsits nearly 9 months older; patience.;)
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
The same complaints were being made of Fedberg at 21.
No they weren't. Everyone knew both Roger and Stefan would be absolutely world class players. Both had won the junior Wimbledon trophy and were touted as future #1 players. Shapo has markedly underachieved by now. He won the Wimbledon junior's title but never followed up on it, unlike Fedberg. He's never even made the second week of a major at the age of 21.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
No they weren't. Everyone knew both Roger and Stefan would be absolutely world class players. Both had won the junior Wimbledon trophy and were touted as future #1 players. Shapo has markedly underachieved by now. He won the Wimbledon junior's title but never followed up on it, unlike Fedberg. He's never even made the second week of a major at the age of 21.
You're comparing the apple era with the orange era. Everything is changed now. Nutrition, physical training, equipment technology, consistency in courts. It was an art then and now it's a science. Takes longer, everything has moved older.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Shaps needs a hardass coach like Lendl to keep him off social media and making rap albums to focus solely on intense tennis training.
He has a great coach. This keeps being said over and over. Denis needs a new coach. He's had 3 in the last 3 years. Denis needs to do some of the work himself. He has the talent but he's still mentally not there.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
No they weren't. Everyone knew both Roger and Stefan would be absolutely world class players. Both had won the junior Wimbledon trophy and were touted as future #1 players. Shapo has markedly underachieved by now. He won the Wimbledon junior's title but never followed up on it, unlike Fedberg. He's never even made the second week of a major at the age of 21.
Yes, I hate to say it but I agree. He has one title to his name which is a 250. That's a real under-achievement for someone with his obvious talent. I don't know what it is about Denis. But, somehow, he just doesn't produce results. I remember having this same discussion with other fans about 2 years ago. They told me that Denis was just young and would grow into his talent. So far that hasn't happened. But, either he starts producing because younger, talented players like Skinner and FAA are already on the rise. With Tsitsipas, Medvedev and Berretini already producing great results he could find himself being left behind. That would be a shame.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Shapo doesn't always construct winning rallies! He relies too much on shot making to get him out of trouble, and while he does have the weapons to pull out a winner from anywhere on the court, it seems to get him in trouble more often than not!
Yup!
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Yes, I hate to say it but I agree. He has one title to his name which is a 250. That's a real under-achievement for someone with his obvious talent. I don't know what it is about Denis. But, somehow, he just doesn't produce results. I remember having this same discussion with other fans about 2 years ago. They told me that Denis was just young and would grow into his talent. So far that hasn't happened. But, either he starts producing because younger, talented players like Skinner and FAA are already on the rise. With Tsitsipas, Medvedev and Berretini already producing great results he could find himself being left behind. That would be a shame.
Unfortunately, FAA seems to be going down the same under-achieving route.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
No they weren't. Everyone knew both Roger and Stefan would be absolutely world class players. Both had won the junior Wimbledon trophy and were touted as future #1 players. Shapo has markedly underachieved by now. He won the Wimbledon junior's title but never followed up on it, unlike Fedberg. He's never even made the second week of a major at the age of 21.
Not that winning junior Slams is a reliable indication of future worth. In 2004 Monfils won no less than 3 of the 4 junior Slams but made just 2 semis on the main tour.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
As I said, Shapo is not going in the right direction right now. He seemed to be late last year. Maybe the break affected him? Don't know, but this up and down thing has to change soon.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
It's all gloom and doom, Felix and Shapo are washed up and permanently done after one loss after a 5 month hiatus. So is Thiem, Zverev, Coric and many others. They're done, finished, the huge sample size of 1 match loss is proof.
 

tennisbuck

Professional
Shaps needs a hardass coach like Lendl to keep him off social media and making rap albums to focus solely on intense tennis training.
Yeah, there's no problem at face value with making a rap album, but the sheer amount of time you would have to devote to something like that tells me he isn't training as hard as other guys
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Yeah, there's no problem at face value with making a rap album, but the sheer amount of time you would have to devote to something like that tells me he isn't training as hard as other guys
He's one of the hardest workers on tour. His coaches have all said he never has to be motivated. Shapo may have problems, I don't know, but one of them isn't work ethic to tennis.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Luke Shapovalov The Foolish? I thought not. It's not a story Hitman would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Luke Shapovalov was a Ballbasher of the ATP, so powerful yet so foolish he could use his groundstrokes to influence the midichlorians to create unforced errors… He had such a knowledge of unforced errors that he could even keep the shots he cared about from landing in. The knowledge of unforced errors is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing a match, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his opponent all his weaknesses, then his opponent defeated him in the third set. Ironic. He could save others from losing matches, but not himself.
ttw gold
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Denis is only 21 and he has improved consistently. It’s way too early to count him out. By playing doubles, he has vastly improved his net game and I’m seeing good things from his relationship with his new coach. He has the game. He has the weapons. He gets distracted easily and doesn’t seem to be able to blow off things like a bad call. That can change with maturity. He’s not always smart in shot selection but man he can hit that ball sweetly. I enjoy watching him.
 

Musterrific

Semi-Pro
Denis is only 21 and he has improved consistently. It’s way too early to count him out. By playing doubles, he has vastly improved his net game and I’m seeing good things from his relationship with his new coach. He has the game. He has the weapons. He gets distracted easily and doesn’t seem to be able to blow off things like a bad call. That can change with maturity. He’s not always smart in shot selection but man he can hit that ball sweetly. I enjoy watching him.
He has improved a lot this year, but he's still prone to sudden mental lapses. That game today in the second set where he was serving at 40-0 and then hit 4 double faults is completely unacceptable at his level. That's some challenger level ****, if even that. He needs to man up - his natural talent levels are beyond anyone else in his age group. He shouldn't be losing to baseline bashers like Rublev.

If Shaps gets it together mentally, he's one of the very few players who can save tennis from an otherwise dire future.
 

James P

Legend
He lost to one of the hottest players on the tour. It always sucks to lose, but contextually, not the worst loss in the world. He's doing fantastic this year.
 

RiverRat

Rookie
Shapo should have closed that match out in two. The third set was all Rublev though, and not much could be done about that. I like seeing all these folks writing Shapo off because it's only going to make me appear that much smarter when he sits atop the game. He's got the movement, the groundstrokes, the serve, and soon, the volleys. Shapo is playing a style that might be the definition of the next era of tennis. Tennis has drifted away from the net. So many say you can't volley against these heavy groundstrokes. Phooey! The next great generation of tennis players will combine backcourt acumen and forecourt prowess. His serve sets up a serve & volley game, unlike anyone else in the sport. It's reminiscent of Mac. Once he cleans up the mental lapses, the double-faults, the missed neutral balls, he will rise to the next echelon. These are not difficult fixes. No one else at his level has such a simple path. I loved seeing him attack the net against Stan and Andrey. Not all of his choices were good, and he needs to knife that BH more when using it to approach, but he's learning. Yes, I'm on the bandwagon.
 
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Musterrific

Semi-Pro
Shapo should have closed that match out in two. The third set was all Rublev though, and not much could be done about that. I like seeing all these folks writing Shapo off because it's only going to make me appear that much smarter when he sits atop the game. He's got the movement, the groundstrokes, the serve, and soon, the volleys. Shapo is playing a style that might be the definition of the next era of tennis. Tennis has drifted away from the net. So many say you can't volley against these heavy groundstrokes. Phooey! The next great generation of tennis players will combine backcourt acumen and forecourt prowess. His serve sets up a serve & volley game, unlike anyone else in the sport. It's reminiscent of Mac. Once he cleans up the mental lapses, the double-faults, the missed neutral balls, he will rise to the next echelon. These are not difficult fixes. No one else at his level has such a simple path. I loved seeing him attack the net against Stan and Andrey. Not all of his choices were good, and he needs to knife that BH more when using it to approach, but he's learning. Yes, I'm on the bandwagon.
I think when Mac was asked which current player reminded him most of himself, he named Shapovalov.
 
I know some think regularly playing doubles is pointless but it was clever of his team to pair him up with a world class doubles player like Bopanna. Shapo will never have the shot tolerance of someone like Schwartzman. He needed to improve his net game instead of trying to end points with low % shots. Seems like the strategy has worked thus far.

Rublev has def had the best yr out of the NextGen players. Still think Shapo has the most potential though.
 

RiverRat

Rookie
I think when Mac was asked which current player reminded him most of himself, he named Shapovalov.
That's probably true. I also saw a video with Becker, Wilander, Lendl, and McEnroe and, I believe, Becker said he thought John would adapt to play like Shapo in today's era. If you like hearing great stories this is a good video. Wilander hosts it and starts off by saying he's happy to say he's the fourth best player in the group.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
No they weren't. Everyone knew both Roger and Stefan would be absolutely world class players. Both had won the junior Wimbledon trophy and were touted as future #1 players. Shapo has markedly underachieved by now. He won the Wimbledon junior's title but never followed up on it, unlike Fedberg. He's never even made the second week of a major at the age of 21.
Yes he has. The USO.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I know some think regularly playing doubles is pointless but it was clever of his team to pair him up with a world class doubles player like Bopanna. Shapo will never have the shot tolerance of someone like Schwartzman. He needed to improve his net game instead of trying to end points with low % shots. Seems like the strategy has worked thus far.

Rublev has def had the best yr out of the NextGen players. Still think Shapo has the most potential though.
It's Zverev actually.
 
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