Yoga Is Magic!

[Topaz]

Cindy....if you'd like to learn more about what I do, I would suggest going to our web site and exploring there (the URL is in my profile), or buying the book I referenced above, or emailing me directly so we don't take this thread any more off topic.

We are not chiropractors. Think of it as teaching your body how to become its own chiropractor.

Nice site, and some interesting thoughts. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[crystal_clear]

I don't think that arthritis is inevitable. Nor is obesity. Nor is diabetes.

I think these things are associated with age, and although are preventable to a large extent, it becomes increasingly difficult to fight them as we age.

I did click on your profile, and I see that you are a "postural therapist." Is that a chiropractor or something else? What does one have to do to be come a postural therapist?

Cindy -- who bought new yoga capris today because she was boiling in her yoga pants the last time

Cindy, have you tried lululemon clothes? They are great for yoga and tennis.

 

[sureshs]

genetics also gets way too much credit.

the science of epigenetics has revealed some very cool information. More important than the genetic information is the environment in which the genes are housed, the overall petri dish of our bodies. It has become very clear that we can absolutely change the way genes express based on exogenous environmental input.

Epigenetics is indeed a revolution. But having observed the strong diabetic trend in many many families, I don't think it can be beaten. Postponed, yes.

There is also the role of everyday life. Work takes first priority, and we often cannot control it.

 

[GuyClinch]

Yoga along with jumping rope would be my favorite two off-court exercises for tennis improvement. That being said yoga is pretty time consuming..

Stretching can provide similiar benefits without the mumbo jumbo mystical stuff and you can skip poses that are dangerous without proper guidance.. Most people don't have the discipline to stretch so Yoga is a bonus.

As for not needing flexibilty - sure you might feel that way until you feel tight after losing some.. I like some of these drills. They are 'yoga like though."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EANtKWs73zE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLBDC5FF814D0992F7

 

[Posture Guy]

Topaz.....you're welcome.

Cindy....the information is there should you ever choose to pursue it. I would recommend the book I referenced above. From what I've read of your other posts on the subject of your health, I'm pretty confident in saying you have some significant postural imbalance that is impeding the ability of your body to feel and function as it should. Life can get a LOT better if you address that.

Hopefully yoga will do that for you. I wish you well.

 

[Posture Guy]

sureshs....I'm not discounting genetics, but I absolutely hate it when people use genetic predisposition as an excuse to make crappy choices. And I see that all the time.

I know several people who had families with a lot of diabetes, modified their diets and didn't just improve insulin management but completely reversed diabetes and are now not considered diabetic.

I think people would be well served, in every aspect of their health, to assume that the issue at hand is within their complete control and to take the steps necessary to improve it to the greatest degree possible.

Most don't do that, and their physical experience reflects it.

 

[chrischris]

genetics also gets way too much credit.

the science of epigenetics has revealed some very cool information. More important than the genetic information is the environment in which the genes are housed, the overall petri dish of our bodies. It has become very clear that we can absolutely change the way genes express based on exogenous environmental input.

I agree.. i feel the toxicality of the environment is quite underrated. Drinking water is of course a healthy thing to do especially if you exercise .
Do you live near gas or oil extraction? the water can go really bad apparently without anyone letting you know. The film Gasland is worth a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWmBzKRvFq4

I didnt have a clue on this topic and i think most people are unaware of this ongoing problem

 

[sureshs]

That being said yoga is pretty time consuming..

That is really what it comes down too. If I have 10 minutes, I think the standard tennis stretches are superior to Yoga in terms of bang for the buck.

 

[Cindysphinx]

Cindy, have you tried lululemon clothes? They are great for yoga and tennis.

Lululemon? You think I'm made of money?

I try to get stuff like that at Costco. $20 instead of $90.

Cindy -- who does have one pair of Lululemon yoga pants but who can't find them and is sick about it

 

[GuyClinch]

That is really what it comes down too. If I have 10 minutes, I think the standard tennis stretches are superior to Yoga in terms of bang for the buck.

True. That being said I think tennis players benefit alot from Yoga overall. Most rec players are tight especially in the hips, calves, shoulders, chest and hamstrings - this is because of the sedentary hunched over life many americans lead. This can lead to sub-par performance on the court as well as uncessary injuries.. So flexibility is important. Even so called 'inflexible' people can be operating well below their 'natural' state of flexibility..the kind they had when they were a little kid.

You get access to pro coaches too - which can be a huge assest. The downsides are still there.. I think Yoga is very much geared to flexible people. I think some poses and alot of poses done incorrectly can lead to injuries. And I think its not the most efficent way to gain flexiblity if you are self-motivated.

What's interesting is that I haven't yet seen a really good pre-made workout for average rec tennis players off the court. Yoga is probably alot closer then most if you have to pick one activity alone..
What you want is a blend of strength, endurance, flexibility and agility/explosiveness training.. That's not easy to create..and most people overemphasize one part or another based on their natural strengths.

Strong guys maximize their strength - runners tend to run even longer distances, flexible people do more yoga..etc. In reality many already strong guys should be concentrating on flexibility and agility training - and so on. People should be focusing on their weaknesses..

 

[sureshs]

 

[sureshs]

Came across this now in Craigslist:




Join us for an amazing experience and a healthy expression of anatomical freedom! All classes are non-sexual, semi-sensual, and always exhilarating unless it's relaxing.

Classes with NudeYogaUSA are designed to encourage students to feel comfortable and free within their body temple.

This class is open to all levels of yoga practitioners and we encourage you to bring a friend or your spouse.

Bring a mat or phone ahead to reserve a mat. This class is co-ed and all students must mutually agree to be respectful of each other's boundaries, bodies, and yoga practice. A towel is also handy for sweat.

Call for Address!
Saturday 10am
(buzz 010 to get through the door)

Namaste,

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www.nudeyogausa.com

 

[FastFreddy]

ok

http://www.anabolicsmall.com/roida3a.htm

http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/clancy_ross.html

At a height of 5'9" Clancy competed at weights ranging from 185-200lbs.

His physique is impressive even by today's standards and is one of the best of the pre steroid era.

Ross competed in the 40's and early 50's. So, unless he was a super genius making this **** himself, I'm going to say he was natural. I'm sure if he could have been "not natural" he sure as **** would have been, but it really wasn't an option. Further, these guys competed at ~8%. The stats I have on Ross say his competition was 8.5%.

My point Freddy, is that you are claiming 8% and I seem to recall you saying you are ~205 lbs. and 5' 9" or 5' 10", making you actually larger than Ross and slightly leaner.

"If you saw me in person"........Well Freddy just post a pic of your drug-free Clancy Ross build.

I'm not debating the use us steroids in BB'ing (or pretty much all sports. They all have their PED of choice). I'm simply saying that you overestimate yourself GREATLY. I can say this just by knowing what championship drug free stats are and assuming that you are not championship caliber. Either that or you are just humble as **** and like to just "keep it to yourself". But you don't seem like the humble type Freddy. Which means you are a blow hard delusional internet loud mouth POS.

What I'm hearing from you Freddy, is something like this.

1) Ross (considered by many to be one of the very best natural body builders in history) is not natural. He had to have take steroids.

2) However, his stats are actually SMALLER than what you claim to be. He is both carrying less size and he has a higher COMPETITION bf%....something you walk around with every day of the week.

3) So one of the greatest of all time NEEDED steroids to achieve a build that is inferior to what you have built drug free.

4) Finally, Ross had to live and breathe this stuff. Devote his life to it. You did it seemingly "in your spare time" when you weren't playing tennis, hockey, cycling, etc. at a high level.

Man Freddy. Some guys just got it I guess. Seems amazing nobody knows who the f*ck you are. By rights you should be an international celebrity. A true genetic freak.

.....and since when do diuretics make you not natural? Does that mean anyone that needs to loosen their bowls is "jucing"? My Granny is jucing? OK, if this is the standard of "natural" I doubt many people in the world are natural. Well, except you of course.

My overall point by the way is that, while you are criticizing others, you may want to take a hard look at yourself and ask if you can face telling yourself the truth. You may not be quite as great as you think. Not that you will ever believe this. Somehow you will be able to rationalize all of this in your head. But it doesn't make you right. It just makes you delusional.

First off Iam 5'10 3/4 but everyone thinks Iam 6ft it must be my great posture. Next you can not compare 8 percent natural bf to 8 percent juiced up bodyfat the juice dude will have way more muscle compared to bf. I seen dudes have way more muscle than me from one 8 week cycle. I been in fitness over 20 years and worked out in many health clubs, chain gyms and small key gyms. I can tell who is natural who has done some juice and the big juice heads stick out out I am sure you can pick those guys out.

Dude roids have been out since 1928 so their is no way you can say he is natural. Go find a pic of a bodybuilder before that year. I forgot to add to my lists of sports ping pong level 1100 skill level, bmx racing Redline bike and supergoose, bmx freestyle ie quarter pipe and half pipe and dirt bike riding Honda cr 500, RM 250 and kx 125 and yz 125. One last thing High School Weightlifting Champion! Just checked my bf with my Skyndex and I got 7.8 and 8.2 ripped. I am down to 192lbs. PS: bodybuliders take "natural" diuretics flush the drugs out of their system to pass the **** test.

 

[r2473]

Awesome. So Ross won the 1945 Mr. America with numbers comparable to your current stats (he was an inch shorter and weighed 7 lbs. less @ 185 lbs.) AND he was juiced (and you're not). Notice that you are pretty much the exact same as the 1939 champion (also juicing of course) and if you google his picture, he is carrying much higher bf% than Ross.

http://musclememory.com/articles/MrAsizes.html

You know what they say Freddy, a picture is worth a thousand words. Why not post a pic of yourself?

 

[bluetrain4]

I really need to get into Yoga or something similar. I too am very inflexible and have no idea how to make it better (not that I expect to be Gumby). Normal warm-down stretching after exercise doesn't do much in the long run.

The one time I went to a Yoga class about a decade ago, the instructor freaked out because I wasn't there for a higher purpose. All the participants introduced themselves and had to explain why they were interested in starting Yoga. I said I was an athlete and wanted to increase my flexibility. The instructor was not pleased and snappily insisted that Yoga "is more than that" (you know, about centering yourself, achieving mind, body and mind-body balance, relaxation, etc.)

So, I was really turned off and received little help. I know that's only one instructor, but it turned my off Yoga.

 

[Posture Guy]

You know what they say Freddy, a picture is worth a thousand words. Why not post a pic of yourself?

because his sheer awesomeness would shatter the lens.

it's his gift, and his curse.

 

[FastFreddy]

Never

Awesome. So Ross won the 1945 Mr. America with numbers comparable to your current stats (he was an inch shorter and weighed 7 lbs. less @ 185 lbs.) AND he was juiced (and you're not). Notice that you are pretty much the exact same as the 1939 champion (also juicing of course) and if you google his picture, he is carrying much higher bf% than Ross.

http://musclememory.com/articles/MrAsizes.html

You know what they say Freddy, a picture is worth a thousand words. Why not post a pic of yourself?

Nah, you see what happens when someone posts a video of them playing everyone rips them your not a 5.5 your a 3.5 to 4.0 at best. Then it turns out someone posted a pro hitting 7.0 it just shows this site has a bunch of haters. Plus I don't have a myspace, facebook and would never post any info of pics of myself on the web I am a private person but like to talk about my many sports I played at a high level. Plus their is plenty of porn on the web I don't want u or anyone whacking to my pic. Got to go and do my next stack or TEST and HGH. Why don't u post a pic of yourself are u in shape what's your stats?

I looked at your link Bert Goodrich is close to my measurements and height he is 5'10 1/2 Iam 5'10 3/4 but I only have 15.5 arms not 17's. Remember juice has been out since 1928 so try and find me some pre 1928 bodybuilding pics.

 

[r2473]

Gotcha Freddy.

I was trying to figure out how you came up with 1928, but I think I found the source. I say 1954 is probably "the year" what we think of as "roids" came on the scene. I guess it all depends on what you mean by "enhancements". And those 1954 roids are a far cry from what is out there now (obviously). (Look at how tiny "Arnie" was compared to what is out there today. Prime "Arnie" couldn't even win a local Jr. event these days).

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/About-WADA/History/A-Brief-History-of-Anti-Doping/

Anyway, sounds like you got it all under control Freddy.

 

[fuzz nation]

The class was perfect. Just six students. Instructor fixed even the smallest flaws. The class was 90 minutes, and late enough in the evening to be convenient for Mr. Sphinx. Instructor is going to bring handouts for us to use at home.

Maybe I don't need private instruction after all.

My yoga experience was in a nice small studio with only a handful of students. My teacher was someone I'd known for a while and she was a fantastic instructor, so that made for an easy setting. Her first and last priority was to make sure everyone went at no more than the pace they were happy with - she'd even offer that it was okay to just sit on our mat for a minute or two and just breath if we felt like it. It was never a problem in those classes to either take it easy or do a little extra and cover more ground.

I'm sure that injuries can happen among yoga newcomers who try to be especially intense during a session - very counterproductive. My teacher even had a bit of a disagreement with the idea of pilates (sp?), I think because of the impact and intensity it introduces to what she thought was a routine based in yoga.

Cindy, I'm looking forward to your progress report after you chalk up a couple more weeks worth of sessions. I'm 45 and I'm don't hesitate to admit that the yoga classes that I took a few winters ago were as beneficial to my tennis as any other fitness pursuit I've tried away from the courts. If your experience is anything like mine was, you might just feel as though you've had a gyroscope installed inside your chest when you get out to play some doubles. My balance became effortless after a month or so of classes. While once a week was okay, I found that twice a week was just right for me.

 

[Posture Guy]

Cindy....one point of clarification. There are two reasons why I think private instruction is FAR superior to group classes, even if the classes are small.

First and foremost is exercise selection. Ideally, you'd want a yoga instructor who doesn't just start throwing poses at you but instead takes you through an assessment, sees where your strong and weak points are, sees where you're flexible and inflexible, then devises a routine of exercises and stretches designed specifically for YOU.

Then secondly, in one on one they can then watch you like a hawk to see if you're able to do what they gave you to do, if any corrections need to be made, or if any substitutions need to be made in order to give you an exercise that achieves the same functional result.

You have two basic choices: either do a group class where everyone is doing the same generic routine, one not designed for their specific issues and limitations, or individual work with someone trained to tailor routines to the individual and their needs and abilities.

a small group class is still a group class. They can be very good, but given the number of issues you've addressed on these boards, my feel is you'd derive greater benefit from work designed specifically for you and not a generic routine, even if it's expertly administered.

 

[FastFreddy]

Juiced

Gotcha Freddy.

I was trying to figure out how you came up with 1928, but I think I found the source. I say 1954 is probably "the year" what we think of as "roids" came on the scene. I guess it all depends on what you mean by "enhancements". And those 1954 roids are a far cry from what is out there now (obviously). (Look at how tiny "Arnie" was compared to what is out there today. Prime "Arnie" couldn't even win a local Jr. event these days).

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/About-WADA/History/A-Brief-History-of-Anti-Doping/

Anyway, sounds like you got it all under control Freddy.

Well I looked up Test first was made in 1849. The first large scale bodybuliding show in America on Jan 16 1904 at MSG in NYC so natural dudes do not exist. Eugen Sandow was the father of modern bodybuilder in 1894. Most juice heads today are using the same stuff from the 1950's since it works like D-bol, Decca, Anavar, Anadrol, Winstrol V. The newer gear is Syn Test, HGH, IGF that's why the dudes in the last 20 years are much bigger. Some people like the old school look just roids not the freaks of today. Roids hit the bodybuilding scene full power in the 1950's.

 

[r2473]

I don't care when (something like) test was made in a lab. That's a far cry from it being made available for use and people figuring out how to use it.

Nearly everyone considers guys like Park, Reeves, Ross, etc. to have built their bodies naturally. And their stats bear this out. You might be surprised how "small" they really were (or conversely, how much difference "a few" pounds of muscle makes). These guys were carrying around ~35 lbs. to 40 lbs (this is Park because he had a large frame; big bones) more muscle than a grown man that has never trained. By contrast, Arnie was able to add 20 lbs. more than Park using the juice (they were basically the same height so comparable). Today, you have guys like Coleman and Cutler that are much shorter, much larger, and compete much leaner than Arnie.

Anyway Freddy, my only point is to suggest that your stats for yourself put on par with guys that won Mr. USA (and your 8% is comparable to what they competed at). And if they were juicing, then your stats are even more "out there" (but they weren't juicing, because it wasn't around).

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. You can be as big as the moon and everyone but you was, is, and will be juicing. Makes no difference to me.

 

[FastFreddy]

Natural

I don't care when (something like) test was made in a lab. That's a far cry from it being made available for use and people figuring out how to use it.

Nearly everyone considers guys like Park, Reeves, Ross, etc. to have built their bodies naturally. And their stats bear this out. You might be surprised how "small" they really were (or conversely, how much difference "a few" pounds of muscle makes). These guys were carrying around ~35 lbs. to 40 lbs (this is Park because he had a large frame; big bones) more muscle than a grown man that has never trained. By contrast, Arnie was able to add 20 lbs. more than Park using the juice (they were basically the same height so comparable). Today, you have guys like Coleman and Cutler that are much shorter, much larger, and compete much leaner than Arnie.

Anyway Freddy, my only point is to suggest that your stats for yourself put on par with guys that won Mr. USA (and your 8% is comparable to what they competed at). And if they were juicing, then your stats are even more "out there" (but they weren't juicing, because it wasn't around).

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. You can be as big as the moon and everyone but you was, is, and will be juicing. Makes no difference to me.

I can tell you first hand since my friends who were doing "natural" shows were juicing and did not check their bodyfat or do tape measurements. You know why because they just checked their weight to make a class and looked at their muscles while they worked out. Dude within 8 weeks they went from no pack to 6-8 pack like a cartoon then do 2 shows and peak for one of them then back to mickeyd's and pizza.

You can find any pics of two dudes with 8 percent one natural and one juiced it's night and day. You cannot compare the two. Most dudes ffound out about what the pros were taking back in the 50's. Iam not on the inner circle since I am not a juice head so they pretend like any other drug addict and lie they take. Dude the Germans were giving roids back in the 1930;s and 1940's to their troops so by the late 40's and 50's you could get the gear.

Go and find a old timer who roided back in the 50's no big deal the San diego Chargers gave their team roids Decca or D-bol back in 1963 in pre season camp and won the AFC championship. I agree the bodybuilders looked better back then less juice then the Dorian yates ronnie coleman hgh igf look more juice is not always better or bigger opps that what she said haha.

PS: I never put myself on par with a bodybuilder but I can tell you coming out of Golds gym some dude thought I was a bodybuilder so I must look pretty good.
I don't follow bodybuilding new or old school like you so I never knew anyones measurements or don't really care to compare I play real sports my life and live a healthy lifestyle and workout everyday spin bike and lift 3 times a week. Bodybuilding is not or will ever be a healthy lifestyle.

 

[r2473]

OK.

The history of "roids" is rather interesting. In BBing you can trace its start and influence based on measurements and stats (as well as other historical information).

When I suggest you put yourself on par with BBers, I'm just saying that the stats you quote for yourself are nearly identical (scaling for height) to champions and legends of the sport in the (often thought) pre-steroid era. It's just a numbers comparison (as I've shown you). Nothing more and nothing less. And as I said, if these guys were actually taking roids (as you suggest) then its even more amazing for you to match these legends. You being life long drug free.

I have lots of data on this stuff that has (reportedly) been cross verified by at least two (often more) independent sources. Where the sources differed, if they differed by lots, he just disregarded the BBer in question (or did more research for better data). If they differed by just a little, he used statistical methods. The guy I read was a freak about getting this stuff.

Anyway, like I said, it doesn't really matter. I like to look at numbers. They tell a story that is easier to believe / tougher to refute than just what people say.

 

[FastFreddy]

Bodybuilders

OK.

The history of "roids" is rather interesting. In BBing you can trace its start and influence based on measurements and stats (as well as other historical information).

When I suggest you put yourself on par with BBers, I'm just saying that the stats you quote for yourself are nearly identical (scaling for height) to champions and legends of the sport in the (often thought) pre-steroid era. It's just a numbers comparison (as I've shown you). Nothing more and nothing less. And as I said, if these guys were actually taking roids (as you suggest) then its even more amazing for you to match these legends. You being life long drug free.

I have lots of data on this stuff that has (reportedly) been cross verified by at least two (often more) independent sources. Where the sources differed, if they differed by lots, he just disregarded the BBer in question (or did more research for better data). If they differed by just a little, he used statistical methods. The guy I read was a freak about getting this stuff.

Anyway, like I said, it doesn't really matter. I like to look at numbers. They tell a story that is easier to believe / tougher to refute than just what people say.

Well to tell u the truth I don't understand why any straight dudes r into bodybuilding since it is controlled and funded by gay sugar daddies. I went to show in NYC natural of course and in the crowd were all dudes mostly gay, some sugar daddies and other juiceheads who still r not out yet and a few female juice heads but no hot chicks. The only women who like juiceheads r in NJ clubs and they lool like the pigs on that show.

The whole thing of pumping up your muscles stare in the mirror 24/7 for u and other men to admire and say nice muscles very is gay which is cool if that's your thing. I can see why gay men love bodybuilding, they love men and can get roids easy thur aids dudes. Plus u r not going to make any money for what u have to spend on gear and subs only a few top pros and for what destroy your body and have zero women only gay dudes into your huge ripped roid body plus I doubt anything works and no s*x drive what a life no thanks.

I lift for strength for my many sports over the years now that I am older I lift to have strong muscles, bones and tendons I check my bf once a month to make sure I keep my muscle as I age and not get fat like other retired sports dudes. PS: one of my juiced coworkers thought he was going to be a model. Some dude wanted to shoot some head shots for him at his sudio. Guess where his studio was his apartment haha I think he wanted some other head shots. The funny part was he wanted him to dress up in a super hero outfit omg I laughed my butt off.

 

[r2473]

^^ I have to agree. I wouldn't say everyone is gay necessarily, but the guys that are into that stuff are pretty f-ing weird. I've never know any guys in real life like that though. Just on the internet.

And I agree with 99% of the stuff you say. There is no such thing as a "natural show". Those guys have all done cycles some time in their life. There might be a few real naturals. I'd give sixftlion the benefit of the doubt. She doesn't look like a "roid chick" to me at all. Doesn't talk like one either. And her lifestyle doesn't seem to suggest that's her thing.

Myself, I lifted powerlifter style for 3-4 years. Was always fat. Now I just do gymnastic strength style training. Was never into bodybuilding. Liked to read some of the stuff though. At least the stuff one guy wrote. Heavily numbers based. Just gave me an idea how to plan my training, what was possible, and when to give it up (because I've done the "easy" stuff and don't want to work in the area of severe diminishing returns).

 

[FastFreddy]

Juice

^^ I have to agree. I wouldn't say everyone is gay necessarily, but the guys that are into that stuff are pretty f-ing weird. I've never know any guys in real life like that though. Just on the internet.

And I agree with 99% of the stuff you say. There is no such thing as a "natural show". Those guys have all done cycles some time in their life. There might be a few real naturals. I'd give sixftlion the benefit of the doubt. She doesn't look like a "roid chick" to me at all. Doesn't talk like one either. And her lifestyle doesn't seem to suggest that's her thing.

Myself, I lifted powerlifter style for 3-4 years. Was always fat. Now I just do gymnastic strength style training. Was never into bodybuilding. Liked to read some of the stuff though. At least the stuff one guy wrote. Heavily numbers based. Just gave me an idea how to plan my training, what was possible, and when to give it up (because I've done the "easy" stuff and don't want to work in the area of severe diminishing returns).

That story was funny as hell I want to hear what happened to him that he will not tell me. He only told that story once and took alot of poop and never told another story again. Look up u will hear about alot of top pros getting hired to pose and do other stuff for money ie gay for pay. The feale women like nicole bass use to say on howard stern she would wrestle dudes for money and whack them off so funny. Because the average bodybuilder can not make money doing that and being a personal trainer will not pay for that hobby sport.

As far as sixftloin goes I seen her pics on and off season. I heard her speak on a video( deep voice) dude come on she has done a few cycles not alot but some. She is not what I would call a juicehead and went crazy taking alot all year round but I looked at her lifts and measurments she is not natural in my eyes. I just don't like the fact she said she was natural come on give me a break. I don't care what u do to your body but don't play that card and the card that bodybuliding is a healthy lifestyle. Iam glad she found tennis and got her weight and size down she does look better 150 than 200lbs. I hope your not the dude who brings his gymnastic rings and trys to show off. I can't stand all these crossfit nuts. I just saw one the other day she is wearing a cast on her leg lol.

 

[r2473]

I have a set of rings. I use them at home. I was getting that vibe at the gym when I brought them there a few times. Too bad, because they are pretty useful. But I can do pretty much everything on the chinup bar or smith machine bar. I also f'd up my shoulder with the rings in the spring. Ya, ya, I know. They are pretty dangerous. You can get into positions that you can't get into on a bar. You soon realize that, though you have the muscle strength to do certain things, you don't have the joint / tendon strength. That's really your training "bottleneck". Takes a lot longer to train those than train the muscle.

I'm enjoying this stuff. I was repping 300/400/500 bench/squat/dead. That's about as far as I want to take that. I don't think of myself as a crossfit guy. I'm not doing high volume or kipping through pullups and muscleups (wtf are they doing) or any of that stuff.

I'll suspend judgment on sixftlion. I think you personally know more BB types than I do, so your eye is probably better than mine and you know the culture she lived in. Actually, I just really don't care I suppose.

 

[chrischris]

This image resurrects the memory of 80,s rock songs but a bit rephrased

'Something happend and im heels over head'

Or 'Headed for a fartbreak'

 

[sureshs]

 

[r2473]

 

[FastFreddy]

rings

I have a set of rings. I use them at home. I was getting that vibe at the gym when I brought them there a few times. Too bad, because they are pretty useful. But I can do pretty much everything on the chinup bar or smith machine bar. I also f'd up my shoulder with the rings in the spring. Ya, ya, I know. They are pretty dangerous. You can get into positions that you can't get into on a bar. You soon realize that, though you have the muscle strength to do certain things, you don't have the joint / tendon strength. That's really your training "bottleneck". Takes a lot longer to train those than train the muscle.

I'm enjoying this stuff. I was repping 300/400/500 bench/squat/dead. That's about as far as I want to take that. I don't think of myself as a crossfit guy. I'm not doing high volume or kipping through pullups and muscleups (wtf are they doing) or any of that stuff.

I'll suspend judgment on sixftlion. I think you personally know more BB types than I do, so your eye is probably better than mine and you know the culture she lived in. Actually, I just really don't care I suppose.

I knew u bought them to the gym glad u wised up. Rule of thumb at the gym don't do anything or any movement u can do at home like pushups. Use the stuff ie smith and other machines u don't have at home. Please do not bring your own workout gear to the gym to show off movenments that unrelated to working out. Just bring gloves if u r a wimp and a lifting belt extra wimpy. I showed with nothing not even a one gallon jug of water haha. Just do 2-3 sets not superset 6-8 sets with other machines acroos the gym who knows when these people leave the machine they r coming back?

You don't see me in full hockey gear doing hockey dry land drills u know why u can do them outsisde a gym and not look like a tool. True I could care less about juice heads but since I work in fitness I kinda have to deal with them once in a while and see then alot. I just saw a crossfir comp on tv what a bunch of crap I guess they r trying to look legit. Sixftloin seems like a nice women I just hated it when women juice make the claim that they r natural no one asked sounds like guilt. I like it if someone thinks I juiced I take it as a postive since I never have. PS: r u still out of shape ie fat or did 3-4 years of lifting get u in shape. Last thing r u Asian like almost everyone here lol?

 

[Cindysphinx]

Cindy....one point of clarification. There are two reasons why I think private instruction is FAR superior to group classes, even if the classes are small.

First and foremost is exercise selection. Ideally, you'd want a yoga instructor who doesn't just start throwing poses at you but instead takes you through an assessment, sees where your strong and weak points are, sees where you're flexible and inflexible, then devises a routine of exercises and stretches designed specifically for YOU.

Then secondly, in one on one they can then watch you like a hawk to see if you're able to do what they gave you to do, if any corrections need to be made, or if any substitutions need to be made in order to give you an exercise that achieves the same functional result.

You have two basic choices: either do a group class where everyone is doing the same generic routine, one not designed for their specific issues and limitations, or individual work with someone trained to tailor routines to the individual and their needs and abilities.

a small group class is still a group class. They can be very good, but given the number of issues you've addressed on these boards, my feel is you'd derive greater benefit from work designed specifically for you and not a generic routine, even if it's expertly administered.

I don't disagree.

There may be endeavors that can be pursued more effectively with group instruction than private instruction, but I can't think of any.

I have to be realistic, though. As a family, we are already paying for a family gym membership (where yoga is offered at no extra cost). We pay for my morning fitness class and my husband's separate morning fitness class. And we pay for my tennis lessons.

Private yoga would be great, but this is getting a little out of hand. I think money spent on fitness is never a waste, but group yoga will have to do.

Bluetrain, I too have little interest in the relaxation part of yoga. Still, I can fake it. I just lie there breathing and resting and planning my day or solving the world's problems. No one seems to notice.

Fuzz, I will let you know how it goes. Already, I can get out of a car more easily. That's huge! The instructor said we should try to do one yoga pose a day, just to get started. So far I have done zero poses since Tuesday.

Eh. I'll do it tomorrow. . . .

 

[r2473]

PS: r u still out of shape ie fat or did 3-4 years of lifting get u in shape. Last thing r u Asian like almost everyone here lol?

Not really fat. Average. ~15% with a 34" waist. 6' 1" and 205 lbs. For tennis players, I probably look something like Tsonga only white.

 

[Posture Guy]

cindy....one thing to understand, private instruction can be cheaper than going to group classes. Instead of going to a group class twice a week, pay a private instructor to evaluate you, put together a customized routine for you, teach you how to do it properly, then you do it at home on your own. Then maybe go back once a month to recheck form and have the routine updated as you progress.

if you're looking to save time and money, this is often cheaper and almost always more effective than group work. If you enjoy the social aspect of the group work and like to get out of the house, then that may be preferable. Depends on your priorities.

 

[onehandbh]

cindy....one thing to understand, private instruction can be cheaper than going to group classes. Instead of going to a group class twice a week, pay a private instructor to evaluate you, put together a customized routine for you, teach you how to do it properly, then you do it at home on your own. Then maybe go back once a month to recheck form and have the routine updated as you progress.

IMO, I think group classes are cheaper and a better way to go for someone
on a budget. There are a lot of deals on groupon.com and livingsocial.com.
I recently got 10 classes for $30. Most of the deals I've found come out
to around $5 - $8 per class.

The key is to find a good instructor. If you eventually want to find a good
private instructor, the best way to find one is to go to several group classes
to see which instructor you like. In good group classes, the instructor walks
around and checks the poses of each student, correcting them as needed,
or offering modified versions of the pose if the student is unable to safely do
the pose.

 

[Fuji]

I'm a huge fan of Yoga, it really works wonders for my back and arms, and hips. Keeps me flexible during the off season!

I've been doing it since I was competing in Taekwondo over 7-8 years ago. It really does help keep everything loose! I don't really do classes anymore, mostly just by myself at home from what I used to do. Pretty basic stuff, and I only do it for around 30-45 minutes each time, every other day. I just do it to keep my flexibility, not for any other purpose!

It's great to do, and it keeps me happy! Plus being able to put my feet behind my head is always a neat trick LOL!

-Fuji

 

[crystal_clear]

cindy....one thing to understand, private instruction can be cheaper than going to group classes. Instead of going to a group class twice a week, pay a private instructor to evaluate you, put together a customized routine for you, teach you how to do it properly, then you do it at home on your own. Then maybe go back once a month to recheck form and have the routine updated as you progress.

if you're looking to save time and money, this is often cheaper and almost always more effective than group work. If you enjoy the social aspect of the group work and like to get out of the house, then that may be preferable. Depends on your priorities.

I think it makes some sense. I used to take group tennis lesson and I found the private lessons are cheaper as the group lesson will take 3 or 4 times longer to reach the same level on a certain amount of budget.

It is easier to do the routine on your own or go to the group lessons after master the correct yoga posture.

 

[Posture Guy]

different strategies will work best for different people.

some people will not work out on their own at home, they need the discipline and the process of actually getting in their car and going to the gym to make it happen. Me? I hated that, just wasted so much time getting ready to go, then driving, then finding parking, walking in and getting a locker and putting away my stuff, then reversing all of that to go back home. I felt like I was having to spend 90 minutes to get 45 minutes of work done, and I'm so busy I didn't have time for that.

I'm a big fan of knowing what I want to be doing at home and then I do it every day. But others need a group environment and something to be on their schedule to make it happen. Gotta pick what works for you and your style.

 

[FastFreddy]

Ripped

Not really fat. Average. ~15% with a 34" waist. 6' 1" and 205 lbs. For tennis players, I probably look something like Tsonga only white.

15% is good if u r in your 30's to 40's, 10.8 is very good for in your 20's. Not bad 6'1 205 but everyone looks different person to person. I dropped one more pound down to 191lbs I am trying to get down to my old hockey weight of 185 since it was my best power to weight ratio. How old r u just curious?

 

[r2473]

Right around your age. 38

 

[origmarm]

Or 'Headed for a fartbreak'

My thoughts exactly. Awesome!

 

[FastFreddy]

AGE & Bodyfat

Right around your age. 38

So for a 38 year old male anything under 16.1 is excellent for a male 35-39. Excellent for 30-34 year old is 14.5. 10.8 is excellent for a 20-24 year old well this is what my bf chart tells me. I been told and read anything under 8 percent will not improve sports performance just looks ie bodybuilding. My gf is ripped at 5'1 92lbs 9.2 percent bodyfat. Just checked mine again 7.9 percent. PS: who is checking your bf and how is it always the same person?

 

[r2473]

^^Bod pod. Same time of the day (morning). Same conditions (fasted).

 

[Posture Guy]

I gotta go find a Bod Pod. Are they considered relatively accurate?

Years back I volunteered to be part of a study at a local university that measured body fat about 6 different ways and compared the results. This was back in the late 80s when I was in my late 20s. Our best estimate was I was around 12% back then.

I'm not there now, that's for sure. But I'm not too bad for my age. I'm 50, 6'0", about 180 lbs, 34" waist. Ideally, would like to lose about 10 pounds of fat and add 5 pounds of muscle and then I think I'll be pretty close to my ideal.

 

[r2473]

Depends on who you ask. I'd say it's very accurate. In my experience, most peope underestimate their bf% by quite a lot. Myself included. Bod pod is always a nice "reality check". The University where I work has one. I only test if I've experienced "significant" changes. I'll probably do one this month as I think I'm done with my diet and would like to see where I am. Then I can just go by weight, tape measure, and mirror.

My advice to you is, adding muscle is overrated. Getting in shape, staying fit. All excellent ideas. But lifting for "muscle gain" will probably result in more fat gain than anything. And I'd say you are pretty much perfect. Especially for 50. Personally, I'm putting all my "fitness dollars" into cardio and bodyweight strength stuff.

Truthfully, I felt much better when I was approx. the same bf% and weighed about 20 lbs. less, but was in much better cardio shape. "Basic strength", cardio, and flexibility is where its at as far as I'm concerned. I'd like to lose 5 lbs. more, but it looks like that's not a sustainable weight for me (and my lifestyle / eating habits). Meaning, I was 5 lbs. lighter just last week. Came off my diet and that's what I put back on. So that must be where my body is comfortable. 15% is fine. There's not much reason to go any lower and certainly no reason to fight to try to stay there.

 

[Posture Guy]

r2473....I should clarify something. I don't "weightlift" and have no intention of doing it, either to gain muscle or for any other purpose. I do mostly body weight strength building exercises and some kettlebell stuff as well. I'm not a fan of traditional weightlifting for accomplishing my type of goals.

But I do want to increase my leg strength, that's where I want most of the muscular gains. I'm pretty happy with everything else. I think if I can lose a bit more body fat from around my mid section and add some more muscle to my legs that my court mobility will get a little better. I'm already pretty mobile, I outrun guys 20 years younger and get to balls a lot of others don't get, but it can always be better.

 

[r2473]

Weightlifting for what I call "base strength" was great for me. I do not regret that at all. And I'll continue to visit the squat / deadlift, etc stations from time to time. Weightlifting is not the only way to build this sort of "base strength", but I think it is the easiest. Just as Yoga is one way to achieve flexibility and certain strength and fitness goals, but by no means the only way (or some magic way either, despite the aura that some attach to it).

Anyway, more important "that you do" as opposed to "what you do". There are many ways to achieve the same basic goals.

 

[FastFreddy]

BF

^^Bod pod. Same time of the day (morning). Same conditions (fasted).

I been using my Skyndex caliper(475.00) with the Jackson-Pollack formula the last 20 years to measure myself and my clients. I check the calibration with my metal dowel before every use.

 

[Fuji]

I'm around 13% Body fat according to my doctor last time I was in! I'm getting a little chubby!

6'0 and 170lbs as of this morning.

-Fuji