Yonex DR98 elbow pain

Frank329

New User
Hi,
it's maybe unbelieveable but I have an elbow pain when playing with my DR98. I bought it a month ago and I can feel this discomfort every time I play with it. I have it strung with Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 on 24kg, grip size is perfect. This racquet is known as elbow friendly so why do I have those problems? Any sugestions? I came from lighter stiffer frame - Wilson Pro Open and never had any elbow issues.
 

rader023

Rookie
I have used one for a few years with no pain, but i routinely string between 46-49 lbs. Did you use those same strings/tension on the other racquets?
 

Gemini

Hall of Fame
Hi,
it's maybe unbelieveable but I have an elbow pain when playing with my DR98. I bought it a month ago and I can feel this discomfort every time I play with it. I have it strung with Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 on 24kg, grip size is perfect. This racquet is known as elbow friendly so why do I have those problems? Any sugestions? I came from lighter stiffer frame - Wilson Pro Open and never had any elbow issues.
You mentioned that you came from a lighter (and slightly bigger) frame. It could be that your technique technique is being compromised by the additional weight. Making contact later than you're used to can potential put additional stress on the elbow that you didn't experience with your previous racquet. Just a thought.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
First, do you swing with good topspin or are you a flat hitter. If you are a flat hitter, dump the coploy- you don't need it.
Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 is not a stiff coploy / 24kg = 52lbs - good reference tension
My guess your timing is off because of the new frame...

the specs on the to are pretty close but actually the pro open is stiffer (74) and his a high arbitration frequency (less arm friendly - 168)
The yonex is has more flex (63) and has a lower vibration frequency (141) which spec wise should be much more arm friendly.

I would suggest going back to the Pro Open.
But still be Open to taking a few lessons and have your form assessed ...
 
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joohan

Guest
Have your technique checked, might be a timing issue due to increased weight.

Other thing I’ve noticed is that low RA frames tend to produce sort of long wavelength vibrations that can be as uncomfortable as high frequency/stiff frame vibrations for other players. That’s my case, btw, with low 60/high 50 RA Angell frames while I’m fine with mid 60ties Yonexes and Wilsons.
 

fundrazer

Legend
Might be a technique issue, or possibly overplaying.

Only time I really had any problems with DR98 was when I was practicing serves a lot.
 

Fernando

Rookie
Im so happy that i just stirred everybody to assume this person has bad technique.

The truth is that it might be a timing thing giving the extra weight.

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Gemini

Hall of Fame
Im so happy that i just stirred everybody to assume this person has bad technique.

The truth is that it might be a timing thing giving the extra weight.

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You didn't. And bad timing is most likely due to bad technique. And bad technique could be a result of the additional weight. It's just logical given everything the OP has mentioned.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Tennis or golfer's elbow pain? Big difference.
Yes. TE is a lot more related to light stiff frames and poly whereas golfer's elbow and shoulder pain can often be seen with heavier frames.

Not that the Yonex DR is a particularly heavy racket.

But there are a lot of potential reasons for TE with a new frame. You may be in the honeymoon phase and playing more than usual to adjust to the new frame. You may be altering your technique to adjust to the power and weight difference in the new frame. You may be stringing the wrong tension or the wrong string for that frame.

I'd pull out the Wilson Pro Open. If no pain then its probably technique related. If there's still pain its probably overplaying related. Or you just hit that age where the tendon resiliency finally gave out.

If the Wilson Pro Open still hurts your arm, rest and pull all the poly out of your frames.
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
I played with Dr98s until very recently. I also suffer from tennis elbow and the Dr98 is generally TE friendly.

That said, I have experienced TE with the Dr98 and in my case, I would caution against 2 things:

1. The Dr98 is a reasonably closed string pattern (compared to most of my previous rackets), so drop tension a few pounds and you will be rewarded (depending on how open you previous racket string bed is).

2. The Dr98 was heavier, had a different Swing Weight and balance point to my previous frame. This led to timing errors. In particular, I could feel pain in my elbow when I mistimed serves. The racket head speed of a serve is very fast and your arm is fully extended, so off-centre shots, particularly towards 3 & 9 would jar my arm. In retrospect, I should have allowed more time to readjust and get my technique right before trying to knock the felt off the ball :) It took time and I continued to aggravate the injury, so be careful.

Once I adjusted, I used the Dr98 for years without a problem.

I have just switched to a customised Ezone Lite, which is even more comfortable and plays better for me.
I have just created a thread if you are interested (being a TE sufferer): https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/yonex-ezone-lite-great-for-customisation.620230/

Best of luck
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Have your technique checked, might be a timing issue due to increased weight.

Other thing I’ve noticed is that low RA frames tend to produce sort of long wavelength vibrations that can be as uncomfortable as high frequency/stiff frame vibrations for other players. That’s my case, btw, with low 60/high 50 RA Angell frames while I’m fine with mid 60ties Yonexes and Wilsons.
We need new technology, like frequency modulator, to shorten the wave length.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
I played with Dr98s until very recently. I also suffer from tennis elbow and the Dr98 is generally TE friendly.

That said, I have experienced TE with the Dr98 and in my case, I would caution against 2 things:

1. The Dr98 is a reasonably closed string pattern (compared to most of my previous rackets), so drop tension a few pounds and you will be rewarded (depending on how open you previous racket string bed is).

2. The Dr98 was heavier, had a different Swing Weight and balance point to my previous frame. This led to timing errors. In particular, I could feel pain in my elbow when I mistimed serves. The racket head speed of a serve is very fast and your arm is fully extended, so off-centre shots, particularly towards 3 & 9 would jar my arm. In retrospect, I should have allowed more time to readjust and get my technique right before trying to knock the felt off the ball :) It took time and I continued to aggravate the injury, so be careful.

Once I adjusted, I used the Dr98 for years without a problem.

I have just switched to a customised Ezone Lite, which is even more comfortable and plays better for me.
I have just created a thread if you are interested (being a TE sufferer): https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/yonex-ezone-lite-great-for-customisation.620230/

Best of luck
All good points. You are right, the DR 98 is an arm friendly racquet, but obviously the technique needs to be sound. Also, the OP is string a poly around 52-53 lbs, and that probably doesn't help. Dropping tension to 48lbs would be a start. Trying a hybrid or multi would probably help in that respect, too.
 

Frank329

New User
Thank you guys for your thoughts... I'm gonna drop the tension to 49 pounds and see what will happen. Any sugestions for string brand? Btw, bad technique (or timing) didn't cause my elbow problem. I have no dificulties swinging this racquet and I hit the ball right in time. I like the thought as somebody mentioned that the stress can be put on my elbow while big serving because of the straight arm... maybe it's because of my straight arm forehand... maybe i'm getting old :-D
 

TennisCJC

Legend
TE can also be caused by over use. Are you playing more? It could be a variety of things - over use, racket, stings or tension, technique, or other new exercise.
 

anderson

New User
Thank you guys for your thoughts... I'm gonna drop the tension to 49 pounds and see what will happen. Any sugestions for string brand? Btw, bad technique (or timing) didn't cause my elbow problem. I have no dificulties swinging this racquet and I hit the ball right in time. I like the thought as somebody mentioned that the stress can be put on my elbow while big serving because of the straight arm... maybe it's because of my straight arm forehand... maybe i'm getting old :-D
I use both DR100 and Ezone98 (essentially the same as DR98). For same poly string (Kirsch ProLine II) what works at around 54-55 lbs on DR100 has to be around 45 lbs on Ezone98. The tighter string density makes a lot of difference--10 lbs of string tension. There is also a lot of truth to the timing culprit as the 98 has a slightly heavier swing weight and your arm & body need to adjust (start earlier or use more strength).
 

tennis347

Hall of Fame
I have tried a bunch of racquets over the last 6 months including the DR98. I think the RA of 63 is a bit misleading. I demoed the DR98 with Gosen Micro 16 at 53lbs. I found the sweet spot to be plush, however any ball hit a bit off center felt quite harsh and extremely stiff. I hit with moderate topspin on both forehand and backhand. I believe the DR98 is better suited to a flat hitter. I did not find the DR98 arm friendly over a couple of hitting sessions and a few sets. I can definitely predict that I would have hurt my shoulder and elbow playing with this racquet regularly. I am 4.5 player that has been playing for almost 30 years.

I would recommend going to another frame if you are having elbow problems with the DR98. Even at a lower tension, balls hit off center just feel jarring.

Do yourself a favor and try out one of the Kennex frames are something in the Prince Phantom line. Prince and Pro Kennex currently make the most arm friendly racquets on the market. My current racquet of choice is the Pro Kennex 5G. It’s extremely arm friendly and has solid all around playability. The best part is you can play with a synthetic string in the low to mid 50’s and still get spectacular control and decent power. Just my 2 cents after trying numerous amount of racquets!
 

ludde

Rookie
I also have elbow pain with dr98( multi/poly), with Yonex Ai98 no problems and my elbow love the Ai98 with full poly,too.
 
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Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I have tried a bunch of racquets over the last 6 months including the DR98. I think the RA of 63 is a bit misleading. I demoed the DR98 with Gosen Micro 16 at 53lbs. I found the sweet spot to be plush, however any ball hit a bit off center felt quite harsh and extremely stiff. I hit with moderate topspin on both forehand and backhand. I believe the DR98 is better suited to a flat hitter. I did not find the DR98 arm friendly over a couple of hitting sessions and a few sets. I can definitely predict that I would have hurt my shoulder and elbow playing with this racquet regularly. I am 4.5 player that has been playing for almost 30 years.

I would recommend going to another frame if you are having elbow problems with the DR98. Even at a lower tension, balls hit off center just feel jarring.

Do yourself a favor and try out one of the Kennex frames are something in the Prince Phantom line. Prince and Pro Kennex currently make the most arm friendly racquets on the market. My current racquet of choice is the Pro Kennex 5G. It’s extremely arm friendly and has solid all around playability. The best part is you can play with a synthetic string in the low to mid 50’s and still get spectacular control and decent power. Just my 2 cents after trying numerous amount of racquets!

I don't know a single racket that doesn't feel jarring on off centre hits. You are hitting near the frame which will be stiff as hell no matter the frame. I have a Prince Phantom and if I hit the frame it feels harsh. What helps the Phantom line is the balance and stability so that the racket is less likely to hit near the frame. And if you do, the low RA helps a bit.

There are people on this board that claim the DR 98 is pillowy soft and those that claim its a harsh ride. And while few and far between, some people even claim the Phantoms are harsh which is just ludicrous to me. Just goes to show you can't trust individual anecdotes at all.
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
I found the DR98 to need a much lower string tension (with poly) than i anticipated. I'd tend to go mid-40s with it.
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
Have your technique checked, might be a timing issue due to increased weight.

Other thing I’ve noticed is that low RA frames tend to produce sort of long wavelength vibrations that can be as uncomfortable as high frequency/stiff frame vibrations for other players. That’s my case, btw, with low 60/high 50 RA Angell frames while I’m fine with mid 60ties Yonexes and Wilsons.
Same with me. Frames with a low RA that are supposed to be great for the arm destroy my elbow from the delayed lengthy flex. Stiff frames with low tension are my friend.
 

PT280 Fan

Semi-Pro
Surprisingly, a friend of mine that uses that stick was complaining about the same thing yesterday. And the surprising part to me is that he probably only logs about two or three hours a week on court due to a bad hip. I'd just lose the poly strings if it was mine, maybe get some gut or Wilson NXT in there.
 
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joohan

Guest
Same with me. Frames with a low RA that are supposed to be great for the arm destroy my elbow from the delayed lengthy flex. Stiff frames with low tension are my friend.
Some two years ago I’d have dismissed this thread with a snarky comment and that would be that. Especially after personally trying out DR98. But after my Angell 63RA escapade I’ll be first to believe a personal experience of whatever sorts, good or bad, even if it’s against all odds and against all TT forum experience. A bell curve exists for a reason...

Just for the record: My go-to frame is Yonex Tour G330(some weight in the handle/Volkl leather replacement grip+OG) with RPM Blast at 55/52...playing against it is like arguing with loaded shot gun.
 
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fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Hi,
it's maybe unbelieveable but I have an elbow pain when playing with my DR98. I bought it a month ago and I can feel this discomfort every time I play with it. I have it strung with Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 on 24kg, grip size is perfect. This racquet is known as elbow friendly so why do I have those problems? Any sugestions? I came from lighter stiffer frame - Wilson Pro Open and never had any elbow issues.
Dump the poly.

You should get decent control with a moderate degree of softness with a full bed of 16 ga. syn. gut. I like this stuff for my own frames more than multifiber mostly because it's fine for my arm and it doesn't degrade for me so steadily as the multis.

Any racquet with an arm-friendly reputation can be significantly tougher on the arm when strung with poly. Try some softer string - syn. gut is typically MUCH less expensive than premium multifiber (and lots of poly options, too) - and see if you find any relief.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Some two years ago I’d have dismissed this thread with a snarky comment and that would be that. Especially after personally trying out DR98. But after my Angell 63RA escapade I’ll be first to believe a personal experience of whatever sorts, good or bad, even if it’s against all odds and against all TT forum experience. A bell curve exists for a reason...

Just for the record: My go-to frame is Yonex Tour G330(some weight in the handle/Volkl leather replacement grip+OG) with RPM Blast at 55/52...playing against it is like arguing with loaded shot gun.
TE existed with wooden rackets and natural gut strings. So equipment plays only a part in the whole process. Play frequency, age, technique are all major factors and probably the most significant. The thing about equipment is that it is the most modifiable factor other than just not playing.

But it's hard to recommend an equipment change because what works is mostly anecdotal and there are too many outliers. Still I don't see a lot of people complaining their Prince, Volkl or Prokennex frames gave them TE, so those places are a great place to start. Similarly you don't get a lot of folks complaining that X-1 Biphase gave them TE so another solid choice there.
 
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