YONEX ECLIPSION 5 Vs Wilson rush-pro 4.5

[z00]

I'm in the market for new tennis shoes, after researching I narrowed it down to Eclipsion 5 and Rush pro 4.5. I'm open to other options I may have missed.
I'm a 3.5 player, I play ~6-8h a week, wide feet (2E US usually works fine) , low arches, tend to play 2h at a time on hard courts. I have been playing with Nike Metcons & Addidas pickleball shoes, but after 1h lateral & heel support are lacking, feel it in heels.

Rush pro 4.5 comes in a dedicated 2E wide option. Eclipsion 5 does not, but speced as a wide toebox based on specs on Yonex site (3E Japanese about 1.5E US).
I play in humid hot weather so a shoe that stays cool is ideal. I looked at Eclipsion 4 & Rush 4.0, they are only $20-30 cheaper, figured it's better to get the latest unless someone knows a better place to get them. TWH does not have 9.5 size unfortunately.

What shoes do you recommend from the above that's durable, wide, comfy, excellent lateral & heel support? I found both of above for $135, so price is the same, on pricy side but I would rather spend the money than get injured.

 

[UnderArmServeOP]

A Yonex wide isn't very wide honestly. I myself have tried the Rush and they are very comfortable. I found the Rush very breathable and that seems to be what you are looking for. Also, I'am pretty sure the Rush has a 6-month outsole durability guarantee.

 

[jim e]

+1 for the Rush

 

[z00]

I looked deeper into reviews of Rush 4.5, any idea why it has negative reviews including on TWH? Most people who used Rush seem to move away from it.

 

[kl2963]

Did you try Mizuno Wave Enforce? Great support for low arch and very stable shoes. I was a Barricade fan until I tried the Wave Enforce. On my 4th pair and absolutely love the shoe. I also tried the Wave Exceed but prefer the Wave Enforce.

 

[z00]

Wave enforce is a great shoe, I tried a pair, it was too narrow, does not come in wide size.
I just found out that Asics Gel resolution 9 comes in 2E, probably my best bet unless others on here have better alternatives?

 

[jmacdaununder2]

The Eclipsions are great shoes but I'd be shocked if the width wasn't a big problem, even on the E5s.

 

[z00]

^ You are right, I watched a detailed review of Eclipsions 5 by tennis foot Dr on YT, a size 11 has 9.1cm width, which tells me it's gonna be narrow. But other reviews say it's good to feet up to 2E width. Unfortunately Yonex is not sold in local stores to try.
So far Asics Gel resolution 9 in 2E seems my best option.

 

[z00]

In case others are wondering, I found a tennis shop with most brands in my size, got to demo many shoes on a mini court.

Wilson Rush pro 4.5: a good balance of stability & lightness, but heel slips. Durable outsole. Runs true to size.
Asics speed FF 3: felt great, really light, but lacks support, wide toebox. Runs true to size. Great shoe for someone with solid footwork and agility. Lacks durability.
Lacoste Ultra: 2nd best fitting shoe I tried, but after wearing it for 5min, the right foot cramped. Almost bought it. Runs true to size, wide toebox, similar feel to FF 3 speed.
Kswis supreme 2: fits well over all, but felt cheap, outsole very soft, wide toebox. Lacks durability.
Asics court FF 3: hugs the feet really well, best balance of stability and feel, built like a tank. But after 10min they felt too tight, going half a size bigger it was too long.
Asics resolution 9: wide version was too wide, standard width fits true to size, this is the one I bought. It fits a tad long but no issues after wearing it for an hour at home. Felt the most stable, comfortable.
Eclipsions 5 was not in stock, but tried a couple of other Yonex shoes, they were narrowest of the bunch.

 

[Chas]

The Rush Pro Ace is the wider equivalent of the Rush Pro 3-4. I've played with those for a year or 2.

They fit your requirements well for durability, stability etc. I can't comment on the hot/humid part - we mostly do cold/wet here in Scotland

I've just started using Rush Pro 4.5's - the standard edition, not the wide. They are still nice & wide. The specs, initial reviews say the mesh is cooler, but , again, not something I'm going to notice here.

So far, very impressed - good fit, great underfoot foam etc - so comfy and bouncy ( not sure that's the right word, but hopefully close enough).

I posted comparison pics on the other Rush Pro 4.5 thread, if that helps.

 

[d-quik]

Rush Pro 4.5

do you have a scale? Curious regarding the weight (actual measured weight, not subjective "feel" of the weight)

EDIT: nvm saw the other thread

 

[Injured Again]

Just in case you still need the info, here are my brand new Rush Pro 4.5 in size 11. The left shoe is 15.35 ounces and the right shoe is 15.18 ounces. The left shoe still has the tag on it but it isn't anywhere near 0.17 ounces. Still, they're very close in weight.

 

[d-quik]

Just in case you still need the info, here are my brand new Rush Pro 4.5 in size 11. The left shoe is 15.35 ounces and the right shoe is 15.18 ounces. The left shoe still has the tag on it but it isn't anywhere near 0.17 ounces. Still, they're very close in weight.

didn't need anymore but still appreciate it though!

what other maximalist models can you compare these to in terms of toebox width (assuming you are comparing both shoes in the SAME size of course)?

 

[Injured Again]

didn't need anymore but still appreciate it though!

what other maximalist models can you compare these to in terms of toebox width (assuming you are comparing both shoes in the SAME size of course)?

I’m not a fan of the need to break in a shoe and I’ve had some unpleasant experiences with that so I haven’t tried that many shoe models. The Rush Pros fit my feet really well and I’ve probably used them more than any other in the past years. I did just go through a set of Prince T22’s which also fit my feet well but don’t last long. They’re also roomy in the toe box and I bought a set after my knee replacement surgery because they are more cushioned and Tennis Warehouse had a seafoam color available for $50 so I couldn’t turn that down. But even though I haven’t been able to go full speed, I still wore through the outsole in the Prince in four months.

Asics Gel Res 8’s were also really good for me and would be the shoe I would use except that I get a deal ordering directly from Wilson.

 

[adchris2]

I’m a big fan of the E5’s. I’m on my second pair, and previously used the E4’s. I am 6’2”/185# and play maybe 6 hours a week at the 4.0 level. The heel stack and forefoot stack are enough to feel comfortable pounding on hard courts for hours, but still provide court feedback. Lacing system is good, and heel slippage is very minimal to nonexistent depending on your foot shape. They feel light and nimble, and the toe box has the right amount of room for the average width foot. Not sure about wide feet—perhaps would be too tight. I would say maybe flat out sprinting speed was perhaps just slightly better with the E4. I’ve never tried the rush pro (I’m a Yonex fan boy), but they are probably the only shoes I’d consider switching to if I had to give up my Eclipsions. Take that for what it’s worth. Cheers.

 

[sabershirou]

My feet have been measured to 26.5cm, 4E width, so I'm wearing a size 10 US Eclipsion 5 (28cm). It fits really, really well, and is definitely wider than the E4s. Comfortable yet firm, gives great feedback when changing directions. Yonex is doing a great job making the Eclipsions better with each iteration.

 

[PD1978]

In case others are wondering, I found a tennis shop with most brands in my size, got to demo many shoes on a mini court.

Wilson Rush pro 4.5: a good balance of stability & lightness, but heel slips. Durable outsole. Runs true to size.
Asics speed FF 3: felt great, really light, but lacks support, wide toebox. Runs true to size. Great shoe for someone with solid footwork and agility. Lacks durability.
Lacoste Ultra: 2nd best fitting shoe I tried, but after wearing it for 5min, the right foot cramped. Almost bought it. Runs true to size, wide toebox, similar feel to FF 3 speed.
Kswis supreme 2: fits well over all, but felt cheap, outsole very soft, wide toebox. Lacks durability.
Asics court FF 3: hugs the feet really well, best balance of stability and feel, built like a tank. But after 10min they felt too tight, going half a size bigger it was too long.
Asics resolution 9: wide version was too wide, standard width fits true to size, this is the one I bought. It fits a tad long but no issues after wearing it for an hour at home. Felt the most stable, comfortable.
Eclipsions 5 was not in stock, but tried a couple of other Yonex shoes, they were narrowest of the bunch.

Thanks for posting this info.
You might want to consider New Balance 996 or CT. Come in 2E widths.

 

[z00]

My feet have been measured to 26.5cm, 4E width, so I'm wearing a size 10 US Eclipsion 5 (28cm). It fits really, really well, and is definitely wider than the E4s. Comfortable yet firm, gives great feedback when changing directions. Yonex is doing a great job making the Eclipsions better with each iteration.

Does the regular Eclipsion 5 fit as 4E? Wow, I tired some Eclipsion at the store (was not the 5) but they were so narrow. Maybe the 5 is different.

 

[sabershirou]

Does the regular Eclipsion 5 fit as 4E? Wow, I tired some Eclipsion at the store (was not the 5) but they were so narrow. Maybe the 5 is different.

I think earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the E5 had a 3E width. I can vouch that the 5s are wider than the 4s. Maybe you were trying the Sonicage or the Fusionrev?

 

[z00]

I'm not honestly sure which one it was, I did not pay attention as my foot barely fit. The local store has the 5s in store now, I need to check them out.

 

[Injured Again]

According to post #12, it looks like my Rush Pro 4.5's were new at the end of July so I probably started using them some time in early August. It's only about eight weeks since then and I've worn through the green outsole material on both shoes at the heel. The wear spots aren't at the edge of the green material, and the edge of the shoe still looks like there should be substantial thickness of the green outsole material. It's almost like the white inner sole material, which is soft and rubbery, was too thick in that area so when the outsole was poured into the mold, it was only a thin layer.

I'm 62 years old with a new knee replacement as of last December so I'm not sliding around like a youngster though I am moving around really well for someone my age. I have been playing on both medium speed outdoor hardcourts and medium-fast indoor hardcourts, so the court surfaces really aren't that rough. My previous Rush shoes have lasted about four months so this is pretty disappointing. At least I can get another pair via the durability warranty.

 

[z00]

That's crazy Rush pro sole wears out that fast. I had put about 3 months, play 4 times a week on Resolution 9, outsoles still look brand new. I think I'll get easily a full year.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

According to post #12, it looks like my Rush Pro 4.5's were new at the end of July so I probably started using them some time in early August. It's only about eight weeks since then and I've worn through the green outsole material on both shoes at the heel. The wear spots aren't at the edge of the green material, and the edge of the shoe still looks like there should be substantial thickness of the green outsole material. It's almost like the white inner sole material, which is soft and rubbery, was too thick in that area so when the outsole was poured into the mold, it was only a thin layer.

I'm 62 years old with a new knee replacement as of last December so I'm not sliding around like a youngster though I am moving around really well for someone my age. I have been playing on both medium speed outdoor hardcourts and medium-fast indoor hardcourts, so the court surfaces really aren't that rough. My previous Rush shoes have lasted about four months so this is pretty disappointing. At least I can get another pair via the durability warranty.

It’s rough - but impressive - that you’re playing on hard courts with a knee reco. (assuming that by hardcourts you mean Plexipave & the like - here in Oz we refer to non grass courts as hardcourts).
I’m also 62 & hardly ever play on Plexi any more, just natural & synthetic grass, synthetic clay or clay court derivatives - any mention of Plexi makes my legs ache, although it was my best surface competitively, for what that’s worth - so easy to know where the ball is that you can practically close your eyes.

 

[Injured Again]

It’s rough - but impressive - that you’re playing on hard courts with a knee reco. (assuming that by hardcourts you mean Plexipave & the like - here in Oz we refer to non grass courts as hardcourts).
I’m also 62 & hardly ever play on Plexi any more, just natural & synthetic grass, synthetic clay or clay court derivatives - any mention of Plexi makes my legs ache, although it was my best surface competitively, for what that’s worth - so easy to know where the ball is that you can practically close your eyes.

I believe Plexipave is the trademark name of the surface material, and it probably is what I play on. It’s applied on top of a foot thick slab of concrete so it’s not an easy surface for knees or other joints but it is the only surface I have to play on unless I travel. I dream of having clay or grass courts! Maybe then my shoes would last longer!

I’ll post some pictures tomorrow of the shoes. They‘ve also become twisted to the outside as the uppers don’t have the stiffness to retain their shape since most of the lateral forces are to the outsides.

 

[Injured Again]

Okay, some pictures. Here's a view from above showing how the uppers are twisted towards the outside. There's a crease by the balls of my feet on the inside because the uppers have deformed. The shoes don't have enough lateral support on the outside and its starting to feel like I'm about to roll an ankle when I try to stop my lateral movement.

This is my right shoe. The outsole is worn at the heel , and up high on the shoes by the toes. These are the areas that get the most forces when moving and stopping laterally.

Here's a view from behind the shoe. The outsole material still seems very thick from this perspective, so I'm not sure why the outsole has worn so quickly. Again, this is less than two months. I'm 62 years old and 200 pounds, with a knee replacement eight months ago. I still move well for my age but not nearly as well as a 25 year old, so this amount of wear seems excessive.

The Rush 3.5 and 4.0 did not exhibit this problem, and those lasted about four months before wearing through the outsole.

 

[d-quik]

don't have enough lateral support on the outside and its starting to feel like I'm about to roll an ankle when I try to stop my lateral movement.

That is very disconcerting news. Are you still playing at the 4.0 level or higher?

The whole point of having a heavier shoe (as in over 400grams or 14ounces for US10.5) is for the increase in both/either stability and/or durability.

We sacrifice starting power for stopping power, but if this shoe can not accomplish that at that weight (and also not durable on top of that), what exactly is the weight contributing to? It is heavier than the 3.5/4.0 yet somehow less stable AND durable? That little extra TPU/rubber/whatever on the drag guard can't be that heavy.

I am simply dumbfounded, bamboozled, and flabbergasted by that. I never worn Wilsons but really wanted to like these.



Thanks for the informative, high-effort post.

 

[Injured Again]

I’m competitive up to lower/mid-4.5 level in singles with players of any age but above that, I will lose usually because of court coverage. That’s why the fast wear is so surprising. I don’t slide and don’t drag my feet, but usually use a wider stance and push off and stop using the sides of my shoes. So if I am run out to the side, my tendency will be to land exactly where the heel is worm, then pivot and push back to recover where it is worn at the balls of my feet.

I’ll see how the replacement pair wears. Wilson has always been very good and easy with durability warranty replacements.

 

[Injured Again]

An update: I submitted a durability warranty claim via email and Wilson approved it the same day. I get a voucher for the full cost of the shoes.

 

[d-quik]

+1 for the Rush

Any comments regarding heel slippage and toebox width compared to other maximalist shoes in the same US size?

heel slips

Did your heel also slip in the Blushield 5, Gel Resolution 8, or Blushield Torneos (if you used any of those)?

An update: I submitted a durability warranty claim via email and Wilson approved it the same day. I get a voucher for the full cost of the shoes.

How is the replacement pair holding up? Did they allow you to ask for the 2E model when submitting the warranty claim?

 

[jim e]

Any comments regarding heel slippage and toebox width compared to other maximalist shoes in the same US size?

No heal slippage for me. Toebox was ideal as well. To be honest, the shoes once in the court, I don't have to think about them. That's a great sign of a good fit to me. The Asics gel Challengers feel the same on my feet, where I don't even think of them. I believe a lot has to do with foot shape, as I have had other brands cause all kinds of issues.