Yonex PC Eclipsion 2

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  1. GN-001

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    hey guys,

    For those who have ordered or receive them, could you please give us your thoughts on them? Did anyone else have the same issue as I did with the AgilityBolt plastic on the side of the shoe?
     
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    Got mine in my regular size. Nope, I don’t have that issue with the AgilityBolt. Got the white/black model. It’s snug for sure, but not like the Vapor X. Footbed feels inconsistently textured - like I feel the transitions between cushioning materials through the length of the midsole. Still going to wear them around for a bit before I make my final decision.

    But for now, onto the courts with my well worn 9.5s.
     
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    I'm on the fence. Do I return the shoe or not?

    After tennis, went home and tried on the shoe again. Length was snug. Not tight. Width was fine, but the lateral forefoot snugness got to me after 30 minutes of on foot wear - without standing (was busy playing Horizon Zero Dawn). The pain was a slow build. No outright discomfort when I first put it on. The AgilityBolt didn't bother my foot and I actually liked the stability it gave. It's a souped up version of the FitFrame on the Vapor X.

    The shoe sits a little higher off the ground compared to the Vapor X. The footbed cushioning, as mentioned previously, was inconsistent. I tried to bounce around to get a sense of the Power Cushion +, couldn't really get much of a sensation of rebound of the marketing stuff Yonex promised. It was soft and seemed it can offer enough protection. But then again, it was all casual on the kitchen floor and that's a completely different situation than really putting it through its paces on the tennis court. I'm unwilling to try them out fully on the court because TW doesn't offer the return policy that Nike does with the Vapor X.

    I want to like the Yonex Eclipsion 2s so badly. They remind me of the original Court Ballistecs. The cushioning seems promising, the build quality look good upon superficial examination. It's just the pain from that lateral forefoot area (in front of the Agility Bolt, just behind the pinkie toe) that is causing me the hesitation in keeping them. Perhaps the uppers will soften as you play in them.

    Has anyone logged some hours in the new Eclipsions yet?
     
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    What do you mean by Lateral Forefoot Snugness ???????????? do you mean it is Tight or Loose ??????? I was told by Yonex rep that this shoes will have wider toebox area meaning more room in the toe area. Snug mean Tight ?? Less room ? or opposite ?
     
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    I talked with Yonex rep today and he told me it was 1st time he is ever hearing about Agility bolt giving foot pain. but then shoe is new, so verdict is still out.
     
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    Perhaps I was wrong about Agilitybolt, it is more in the area you described, between the AB and pinkie toe that's causing me a lot of discomfort (pushes against a bone on the side of my foot), but since the AB and the hard plastic on the side are the same piece (hard plastic), I described it as AB causing me problems.

    It reminds me a lot of he court ballistics too especially in the forefoot.

    Like you I wanted to like them so badly and really wish that midsection area didn't bother me but I just can't imagine playing tennis with them without pain and discomfort. Therefore I'm returning mine today, even though I have to pay return shipping for mine.
     
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    Agree with everything you said XFactorer, you described your experiences with the shoe much better than I did and I had the same experience with the shoe.

    I also wondered whether the uppers will soften up but since it's PU upper, I have my doubts.
     
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    Yonex always had PU upper even in Eclision 1. It never bothered me, I always thought it was comfortable as it was.
    Yea,, I did ask Yonex rep about that AB causing pain on the side of the foot....... and he was completely surprised by it. said it was first he heard of it and during the play test, it was not a issue. but then this shoe is new ... so I think verdict is still out in my opinion. TW will Also test this shoe and will post the review. TW said 3-4 weeks from now.
     
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    Maybe we got fat feet.

    That TPU construction is just a little tight and wearing it for an extended period caused me foot pain. Initial try on was fine. And "snug" means form fitting, but to a lesser degree than "tight." That's how I use the word. The Vapors were tight in the length, width was fine. The Eclipsions are fine in the length, a little uncomfortable in a width, if I had to come down on one side or another.

    Now, Yonex, if you wanna give me a pair, I'd gladly put thought and care into my review... ;-)
     
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    I think the TPU upper would soften up over time, the heat and the constant stretching would have to give way a little bit. The original CBs had that similar material, but they had a strap on the forefoot, lateral side to provide that "locked in" feeling... and sometimes it is like slamming your foot into the side of a wall.

    I'm all for that Agility Bolt. I ain't mad at it.
     
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    Snug means Tight when I looked up in the dictionary. is that what you meant ?
     
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    Yes, some would say tight. Just depends on the foot.
     
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    ok - so just got these today, had a chance to use them for about a 1 hr session. bit of background, i have what i think are normal width feel, flatish arches, currently using New Balance 996 and prior to that Asics Gel Solution Speed 3. i'll try to keep this short..

    I LOVE these shoes. That said, for the first 20 minutes or so, these were absolutely KILLING my feet. i was starting to freak out a bit, so i loosened them up just slightly and voila. i think in my excitement to try them i maybe got a little too aggressive on how tightly i laced them. What do i like about them? I like how they feel a little more connected to the court than the New Balance (i was surprised because in the photos they look like they would ride a little higher). I would say these fit right in between the Asics and the New Balance in many ways with respect to support, and speed.

    Couple of quick points - i found the collar of the shoe to run a little high on the outsides of my feet. I noticed this when i first put them on, but it did not bother me when i was on the court. I got the Orange/Black color way and man is the Orange bright. a lot brighter than i expected.
     
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    Funny how our perceptions of the same shoe are drastically different. I have a pair of the 996s, and I feel more connected to the court because I feel the 996 have no cushioning in the forefoot. I much prefer the Eclipsion cushioning.

    Mine were killing my feel from sitting around playing video games, not even tied tightly or standing in them. Did you have any heel slippage in them while playing?

    Thanks for sharing! Keep us posted as you play more in them.
     
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    Yeah, i saw your post earlier on how these felt on your feet right before i got these, so when i was experiencing the discomfort this morning, i was like "oh no!" as for heal slippage, i did not experience any. I am size 12 in most shoes, ordered the same in the Yonex.
     
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    Finally played in mine today; I've had them - blue clay courts - for almost four weeks but hadn't worn them on the court yet, so I waited to post. As I suspected/hoped from trying them on at home, they definitely are a wider fit than the previous Eclipsion model, particularly in the rear of the shoe, more like the model before the Eclipsion. (Sorry Nost!!) Using the new extra holes laced with the 'heel lock' method seemed - for me - to remove any sloppiness in the rear; the forefoot now fits me better - especially out of the box - than the original Eclipsions, which I found a bit narrow, especially until I'd worn them for a quite a while. The '2s' are lower to the ground and perhaps a little less padded than the original Eclipsions also, again more like the model before the Eclipsions. I'm a big fan of these new ones personally, as it's easier for me to cope with the slightly looser/wider heel - especially with the extra holes - and the, for me, mitigating factor of perfect forefoot fit - than having a slightly too narrow forefoot but spot on heel fit, as per the previous model. (I didn't try using the extra holes conventionally; I only just discovered this 'heel lock' lacing method and it 'rocks'!) I don't think they will become too loose ultimately, the differences between models are noticeable, but not huge. Gotta get me some orange hard courts now! :)
     
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    What is the Collar of the shoes ???
     
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    I don't mind heel being little wider... I did mind collar of the shoes in Ankle are being too wide,,, that seem cause ankle turn. Heel which is bottom of the shoe can be wide, that's ok. if it is really a problem, I could go down 1/2 size, especially with wide forefoot of these model.
     
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    Yeah, by heel I meant the collar/rear of the shoe with regard to fit, the 2s are definitely a bit looser around the ankles compared with the original Eclipsions; this is possibly the reason for the extra lace holes. The front of the shoe also fits wider - great for me - but not by much, and fit is very similar to originals with regard to length and arch support, sole width etc. It's like my quite heavily played in - so somewhat stretched and flattened/lowered - original Eclipsions now fit like the new ones do out of the box, particularly in the forefoot; I think the original ones are if anything still slightly tighter in the rear/ankle area, where I don't seem to have stretched them as much, presumably as my foot wasn't as 'crammed in' in this area as it was in the forefoot area initially. For me using the extra lace holes has so far eliminated any looseness in the rear of the shoe. I prefer the overall feel of the 2s out of the box; the originals were somewhat more 'cushy', which was great for comfort, but consequently the originals also felt as if my feet were higher from the ground, and so less stable during slides etc. - at least until I flattened them out over several months on clay - than the 2s do.
     
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    Duplicate post.
     
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    I usually wear about 1/4 size bigger and have decent room in the end.. I am thinking ,, what if I ordere 1/2 size smaller than what I usually wear since there is more Room like you said....? What do you think ? do you think if I order 1/2 size smaller, I will still be ok ? Thanks
     
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    Very Weird match in 1st round of Aussie open... Wawrinka vs Berenkis. both represented by Yonex. Stan the man wearing Eclipsion 2,, and Berenkis wearing Eclipsion 1...........lol
     
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    Ha. I noticed that too.
     
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    Yup. And just like with the Vapors, when a new model comes out, not all of the pros adopt it.
     
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    Unfortunately I'm not sure that would solve the width problem at the rear. They still fit pretty true to size length wise, and are only slightly wider at the front/toe box sides, so you might end up with somewhat squished toes but still a somewhat loose heel on the rear sides, although your foot would be presumably sitting a little further back. Maybe two pairs of medium thick socks, or some combination of thicker and thinner socks, or thick socks like Thorlos, and use the extra lace holes? (I seem to recall you already wear two pairs of socks?) Unfortunately sounds like a try before you buy/demo, demo, demo situation. How did the model previous to the original Eclipsions fit? The grey and yellow/green ones from this series were loose on my heel but wearable; the pinky red ones, although ostensibly the same model, were tighter, and were actually a bit tight/narrow on the toes, but good width in the heel, in my case. (Like the original Eclipsions were for me.) I was actually wondering at the time if they made a running change, or it was some sort of manufacturing tolerance/stuff up. Will report back on whether the 2s get any looser as I'm planning to play quite a bit the next couple of weeks - Aussie Open for Melbournites, who'd be working through that?
     
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    I already wear 2 pairs of Thorlo tennis socks on each feet
     
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    so I am assuming that Stan the man is wearing it,,, he doesn't have any issues with Agility Bolt Poking at side of his feet ??????????????? LOL
     
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    So I ordered the PC Eclipsion 2 orange and black. I had a night match and was in a hurry and took the box from the door step and put them on and raced to the match. I noticed
    after getting back home I had Fusionrev 2 cv shoes and not the ones I ordered. I did find it funny they were laced up so they might have been worn. Now I never had
    a pair of sneaker hurt my feet like these did out the box. I did feel some pressure on the rear sides of my feet but after the match on hardtru my feet felt bruised in
    that area. Next morning I was limping around with pain in both feet. I had yonex PC a few years ago and worn them to nothing they were one of the best shoes I owned
    beside Kswiss Hypercorts. I am returning these without looking back. Shame I was wanting to like them.

    46 year old feet running around like a child.
     
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    You got the Wrong shoes,,, man...... Fusionrev 2 is Nothing like the new Eclipsion 2..... This mistake has been occurring for some reason in the shipping dept. Just Call TW right away before you return these even,,, and they will send out the real stuff Eclipsion 2 right away, that day by 2 day air. they will just ask you to return that shoe at your convenience.
     
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    Just gave them a call and was told that they were sorry and to just ship them back and they will send the Eclipsions 2. They did not say they would send it now. I don't even know if
    I want the right ones with the way my feet hurt with these. I might just get a refund or a credit. Never had a problem like this so I am not going to get all bent out of shape.
     
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    Fusion Revs feel nothing like Eclipsions. I haven't tried the 2's...Still using the first generation of them. I personally don't like the Revs that much but I love the Eclipsions. Feel more plush with better arch support with a more locked in foot feeling.
     
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    yes, I just got my Eclipsion 2. and yes definitely in ankle area , it is wider. but I think that Agility Bolt provides more stablility Laterally so it supports against ankle turning. But yes ,, I feel that plastic piece just walking around the house. It doesn't hurt me but I feel it. I am afraid if I start making violent cuts on the tennis court,, it will start to hurt me ?????? anyway, I won't be able to return it once I play tennis with it on. I think it it was really bad idea to put HARD piece of plastic in the middle of the shoe on the side of the shoe. All of us tennis players make and push off laterally in violent manner and it is kind of like pushing against hard cement wall,,,, at first it might help but after about 100 times, it starts to hurt like Hell..................LOL

    Anyway, I will try them on Tennis court soon and report...................... I just hope this new Agility bolt thing isn't a total Design fail..................lol
     
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    Also,, more and more I wear this around the house,,, less and less the Agility bolt is bothering me.............. and AG is definitely providing more Lateral support,, I can feel the support even in just walking around. This hard plastic piece extend almost half of the shoes,,,maybe that is why it is giving that lateral support ??
     
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    Yeah. I'm a big fan of the Agility Bolt and that support it seems to give. It didn't bother me. It was more in the forefoot - that TPU material over the lateral side of my forefoot was a little too tight.
     
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    do you think it helps with ankle stability ?
     
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    I am think about playing a match in this new shoes today ....... do you guys think that is bad idea ?? Testing the brand new out in a live match situation ??

    It also looks like it is Lower cut in the ankle. when I put in my orthotic insole, there isn't much room and my feet may sit up too high..................did you notice this ? it is lower cut than previous model ?
     
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    Oh man,,,,,,,,,,,i got some BAD news....... I HATED the new Eclipsion 2... Triple bad. Ankle support was almost NON-existant. Weight is actually heavier than previous version. Agility Bolt didn't hurt my feet but it certainly didn't help with stability,,,,it does NOTHING.

    This is really bad, so I can't wear these Eclipsion 2. I only have 2 pairs of Eclipsion Original left... Pair I have is almost worn out so I have to go to next pair, which means I will only have 1 pair left. What to do next ?????????? These original Eclipsions have been discontinued and is no longer made. I am talking about Original Original Eclipsions which came in black/pink,,, and Orange color,, I believe. Updated version of original eclipsions that is still available at TW is just NOT the same,,,,Still better than Eclipsion 2's but they don't feel the same and feel more clunky....

    So what should I do ???????????????????? This is a Nightmare..... Switch to Vapor X ???????????
     
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    That's unfortunate. I thought the AB would be great for stability. You can try the Vapor X.
     
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    So, I’m assuming the Eclipsion 1 is the way to go? I like the design of the new ones but my last Yonex shoe was the Power Cushion in white/grey. LOVED those shoes.
     
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    The Eclipsion is the way to go if you need a narrower shoe. I haven't tried it on, but from what I understand, it's narrower than the new version. You should try the new one to see if the Agility Bolt bothers you.
     
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    Tried the Vapor X in store. compared to Vapor 9.5s, it seems less durable, less stable, less comfortable. Maybe I'm bias because it looks ugly so everything seems bad, don't know but I'm definitely not getting a pair.

    The Asics Covfefes look nice. Tried them on, really wraps the foot, it's like running shoes, I'm not sure how good the lateral support would be though. Would love to hear your opinion.
     
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    I think the stability performance is about the same between the two. The deal breaker for me is the midfoot shank plate - it's susceptible to catching the court and sending me sliding. That's why I'm going with some asics options for now.
     
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    please let me know how they feel. I want to know the Gel cushioning is just as good as Power cushioning of Yonex in returning energy and making you explosive off the court.

    Also if you put in custom inserts, let me know if it fits ok after you put the custom insoles in there. Thank you in advance
     
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    No. I use the shoes in stock form. Tried on the Gel Res 7 last night, it's OK. I think it'll be better after the break-in. But trying the FFs tonight when they come in the mail and I will make my final decision. I still have a pair of brand new Vapor Xs that I don't know if I'll keep or not.
     
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    VaporX is messed up from what I heard. don't waste your money on that. FF's have Flylyte tech from what I heard. Re-inforced cushioning with tiny strands of graphite strands which returns energy and propels you off the court. and FF's is only tennis shoe that has that.... Not sure why they didn't put it in Gel REs 7's ?
     
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    The Vapor Xs still carry some of the good traits of the Vapor 9.5 (light, fast, stable). The new outsole is yet to be tested, but its promised to be more durable. The midfoot shank plate is more exposed in this iteration and causes sliding for me. The overall fit of the shoe is different, but I think once your find your correct width and size (IF you find it), you are golden.
     
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    for what it's worth - i tried on the Court FFs a while back. first they run about 1/2 size long (as confrimed by TW). Once you get sizing right, i found it sort of a pain to get my foot into them - and i don't have terrible wide or oddly shaped feet. I assume after some break in that may change. Once on, they felt pretty swift, decent stability and good amount of cushion. But for the pricepoint (at least at that time, i think they were like ~$150) i may have taken the plunge, but not really needing shoes at the time i did not pull the trigger.
     
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